351 AWHP and 303 FT/LBS of torque. This was done at KVR Performance in Ottawa. I ran 25 psi and ended up with low timing at redline 14*. I can't wait to get DSMlink now.

Dyno sheet

here are some pics:



And I got 371awhp and 324tq on 27psi and around 100octane fuel..

Sounds where you said you were hoping to be there
Steve..is this a mustang or dynojet as mustangs read quite a bit lower than dynojets.

So you should be able to hit 400 with a bit more playing it looks like.

it was a AWD mustang dyno

The problem is the afc and the fact it wanted to make too much timing too quick. After 6000 rpm the timing went up and down in 1* increments....I could never get it to build. I would have liked to have tried 22 psi now and see if the timing would have incresed a little by redline.

Oh well next year I will have the link and a few more goodies.

Hey guy's

It was nice meeting all of you.

What did Tyler dyno

323hp for Tyler..

What did you guys think of the shop and dyno arrangements?

Awsome people and arrangements at KVR, Edwin took his time and made sure that the cars were well secured and was very careful.

Mustang dynos read low compared to dynojets by quite a bit.

I rather have the real horsepower then some high inflated numbers. There are several "450whp" cars out there that run 12s at 113-116mph, where thats closer to 330hp..

The KVR dyno also know as the "check your ego in at the door" dyno. It'll make you real humble.

But I wouldn't have it any other way.

The KVR dyno is known to be way off.....

Known by whom, and with what testing equipment did they come to this conclusion?

Blanket statements with no "proof" are a waste of everyone's time. Good luck getting ANY two dynos to spit out the same number, from the same car.

Stick to one dyno, and use it to gauge changes. Other than that, bench race away, and who gives a rat's ass what others "know".

Steve you are correct no 2 dynos will be the same but my friend had a 3g with turbo 4g64 and made 220 at KVR. Couple days later with same tune made 280 on a dynojet. So that is a pretty big difference...

Read up on Mustang Vs Dynojet dynos.

You'll understand why there was such a large difference.

Good read here on a comparison. Mustang vs Dynojet

What MPH does the car pull at the track vs. the weight of the vehicle. That will illustrate the accurate WHP.
I put my money on the Mustang, literally, I have one of these on order, ready to ship once the shop is ready to receive it.

Dynojet's are crap and only good for producing big inflated HP numbers for Supra's who need to see 1000HP so they can run 12.5 @ 150MPH. Take your DSM to a REAL dyno and get REAL numbers.

Our sister city got a mustang dyno recently. Most everyone is not using it as dynojet is still the most common and accepted dyno out there. And most guys do want the bragging rights of the higher dynojet numbers.

The mustang may be technically better for tuning but the mustang owner made some change to it so it prints out dynojet equivalent numbers now.

I think a shop that gets one instead of a dynojet is making a mistake and don't be suprised if you don't get any people who want to use it.

I will likely be taking my cars to Calgary or Edmonton or Winnipeg and getting them done on a dynojet.

Wouldn't you rather know the truth?
Do you want an inflated # with a tune that doesn't work well on the street?

Hey Steve.

Why do you think your AFC is pulling your timeing?

What octane of race gas did you use?

I run an AFC and my timing on pump gas is 18 degrees at 7000 for 21 psi on 94....I put some race gas in and the car just loves it and timing only gets better.

Nice numbers guys.

Whose red 2g is that...? I see it all the time in Barrhaven and at the Merivale Mall during the day.

The stock timing map, on the highest load level (which you DEFINITELY are stuck on..), makes a huge jump from 21* at 5500 RPM to 24* at 6000 RPM. This is probably the root of your problem.

However at the airflow numbers you're probably seeing, the stock map is probably too aggressive all around. Time for DSMLink, or some other form of timing control.

These guys came down from Kingston Trevor.

Clean car's guys

All I have to say is its very I'm pressive to see a DSM on the Dyno doing pull's till Redline. It was Sweet

The AFC is not pulling timing, but I am on the wrong timing map because the AFC is pulling out so much air. My timing is hitting 17* by 6000 rpm, thats where it usually drops 1 or 2* then it might come back up to 15* by redline. I used 94 octane all day. I may have had a heat soaked MAF or water temps may have risen a little during the pull......but I assume it to be caused by a little knock. My Karmen reading after each pull was just under 2400 Hz each time.

Well thats what your problems were.

If you were trying to pull 25psi out of 94 octane gas then the computer would have been seeing so much knock that it would start retarding timing to save you motor.

I have found 21psi on 94 to be the edge of where I can still see decent timeing. I tried 23 psi and my timing would top out at 14-15 degrees.

If you had of put race gas in (I run 114 Pro fuel gas) the car would have just loved it and you would have had little or no knock which your timing would have showed.

DSM link is a decent tool but I know a guy that turned the rollers at 600hp and has 10.63@133MPH on an AFC and wideband turned car.

Very impressive # on pump gas though.

I run 24psi on the street with 94octane and dsmlink shows only 1.5 deg/retard top of 4th, so I just take the timing out and the car works awsome..

I run 25 psi on pump all the time on 94 octane. This is where my computer just starts to pull back timing. That is the beuty of a GT turbo.

The way I look at it is if the car is retarding timing then it sees detonation which is bad. Why wouldn't I listen to it and turn back the boost.

I would rather have a little slower car on the street then holes in my pistons.

Differant mentality around here I guess. No one wants to tune on a Dynojet. A local shop is looking into getting one and the demand is all for Mustang. Who cares what the numbers are anyway, it's all about the tune, what is this a Supra forum?

Its about the tune and mph and not hp number..
you can keep your high boost and lower the timing and the knock will go away and you still make power..

Al doesnt represesnt the attitude out here. The MD in Stoon is the first dyno in Sask and I donbt think anyone is complaining. Well no one except the AWD guys as its only a 2WD.

Sorry Chris but I know lots and lots of guys in town that won't bother to drive up and dyno on the mustang even with it now currently set up to spit out dynojet numbers.
Its not proven that its better to tune on the mustang dyno.Lots of cars have been tuned on the dynojets.

I agree that any dyno is better than nothing though and your average guy hasn't a clue what mustang or dynojet mean. They do get a bit grouchy when it spits out lower numbers than other cars that they see on most boards,since most board cars are dynojet numbers.

The guy in Saskatoon conceded and changed something to spit out dynojet equivalent numbers.
I guess it can be set up one way or other but not changed back quickly in like middle of a run.

Also cars can be tuned pretty darn good without a dyno and just using mph or time between two speeds.Some professionals do this window type speed runs so spin isn't a factor. My tazzo vpc can do windowed time runs.

And I know many many muscle car guys and most of them know the dynojet. The import guys Chris knows may like I said just be happy to hear the words dyno and Saskatchewan in the same sentence.

And yes I do want bragging rights..I am a guy..Tim Taylor on home improvement is my hero..
I like big breasts and big horsepower!!!

If the Dynojet is equipped with brake loading package then it is equivalent to an accurate real world tuning environment like the Mustang is.

I'm surprised no one from here (besides me) has been on the AWD DynoDynamics dyno at FourStar Motorsports in Georgetown. Ultimate-Racing now has a AWD Dynojet for those interested.

Oh ya, topic, nice numbers!