so my buddy calls me out to show me something he got for his car (2001 prelude)

i thought it would be a turbo kit or something...
when i get there, he's sitting in a 2001 wrx

so we line up and on three we launch...i get about 2 cars off the line (he JUST got the car so he didn't know how to lauch an awd)

by the time i put it into 3rd (110km) i hear him coming up on my ass and then pulls up and passes

oh well i had him right up to 100km

What mods did he have, or you for that matter?

his was bone stock

me,

maft
2.5 hardpipe
starion fmic
15psi on 14b
2.25" ss cat-back (still on from n/a)
magnaflo muffler
walboro 255
aeromotive afpr

to go in,
evo 3 exhaust mani
metalex sheet metal intake mani
510's (i know, i know, but i got'em cheap)
S-AFC
tial wastgate
oil cooler (misc)
egt

just waiting for a beater to make up for the down time

You should of stomped his ass.

That's not right, now if it was an STi, I could see the possiblities, but a stock WRX.. ? Doesn't really make a lot of sense. Either its not bone stock or you were taking a bite of your hamburger inbetween shifts

When in doubt, lean it out

it was a bacon 2x cheeseburger too!!!

my car is more low end than top

he just reeled me in tho

Thats discusting. Stock WRX's are weak. Get some real exhaust........You must be pulling excessive timing!!

So a 14 year old car with 190 HP stock and a few mods should stomp a 4 year old car with 227 HP?

I don't think those mods equal 37 HP.

Really Jeff? Upping the boost to 15psi, 255 pump, fmic (granted a starion), 2.5 pipe and a maft... Yeah I think that would add up to be more power then a bone stock wrx.

The only thing that is different in his setup from my (old) setup is an exhaust, I never had a problem with wrx's, mildly modded or not. Now STi's gave me a pretty good run for the money. Out of the 4 or so I've raced (I'm sure none of them had any heavy mods done to them mind you) I beat 3, the 4th one I broke my axle when I launched it so we won't be counting that one

My opinion is that 15psi would be just barely enough to be even with a stock WRX.
That is assuming the car is well tuned.

I would not consider the 255 pump & FMIC "power adders", rather "knock avoiders".
15psi is 15psi, with or without.

Damn..Do you have a Talon or a Colt (Your Sig)

I love destroying WRX's ... Still looking for my
STI Doors. Better Luck next time

You should have taken him with those mods.

i drive a black galant awd...

well, i just got some logging software and will come out to a missy meet and have some experienced eyes look it over...i definitely need some tuning

I can't see how you are suprised that he got you.

I mean a 14 year old car vs a new car. some crucial ten years of design.

I could bet anything that the WRX has a much better power curve than a stock DSM.

and with just adding goodies here and there, chances are the car is totally out of tune.

I have no idea about the WRX but I know for fact these Galants are pretty heavy cars too.

how have you tuned your MAFT and AFPR and whatnot. The MAFT is inherently a nonflexible tuning tool.

For a STI,yes.
For a stock WRX,NTFK!

I'm not really surpised to be honest. Galant is heavy! Due to age, a 2.25" exhaust, and he got you after 100KM, that's pretty normal.

whenever my car is even or faster than a car that is 10 years newer but with more hps when we are both stock(such as WRX), I'm happy.

I would have thought you would be around 14.0 with your mods... and around 95-98 mph.

That should own. Maybe I have been lucky, my bone stock car with no exhaust did a 13.9 at 98 with a 1.7 60 however!

How much more does a galant weigh?

I don't think wrx are that light either.And why are you only running 15psi? You have a fuel pump and fmic should easily be able to run near 20psi with decent fuel.You should have enough injectors for that.An extra 5 psi should do quite a bit.

Course he can up his boost too and start modding.Makes for some good competition.And also isn't the wrx a 2.4 and if so will have more torque and more area under the curve also making it faster.Just bolt on a 50 trim already!

1991 Galant VR4 - (3252 lbs) 2.0L 195hp
2002 Subaru WRX - (3085 lbs) 2.0L 227HP

Seems to make sense to me.

Blah blah blah...
Tune tune tune...
All mod and no tune make DSM a slow car.

Great advise Allan. Now, if only you would buy him a new engine if he blows up his doing what you just told him.

20psi on stock 450cc injectors. yay... :rolleyes:
Starion FMIC is not much better than the stocker.


I'm not surprised. The Galant is heavier and probably not in as good state of tune as the WRX. If not tuned right, you'd be happy to see 200hp from those mods. That is assuming you don't knock up the wazoo getting timing pulled.

Sure, with enough money and tuning expertise, you can make any "X" car faster than "Y" car.

I've never lost (even close) to a WRX, but then again, both my Talons were well tuned for the mods they have and I can drive the way the car is meant to be driven.

Bingo we have a winner folks! ) I managed to run a 14.20 with only intake and a mbc. If I remember correctly a stock WRX on a perfect day will run 14.70, and a bone stock talon will run a 15.20

BTW Jer, your sig made me almost spit out what I was drinking

Well not to hijack this post but, my mildly modded 92 Talon runs 13.4s 1/4, the Citroen runs 0-100km/h in 13.9. Never bothered with the 1/4 but should be in the neigbourhoods of say...26 secs.

Then again, the Citroen, uses 4.5L/100kms.....

ps. Hell even my (SAFC Tuned - hahaha) NT Galant can give an ill-driven, ill tuned FWD Turbo Talon a run for the money (16.1s 1/4) I've seen plenty in the 16s.....and outlaunched 2 AWD DSMs on the track.

You running all these mods on a N/A engine? Or you actually drop a turbo block in it?

1g is 195HP at 10 psi 2g is 210HP at 12 psi

However, at 15 psi, you should of kicked his ass!!! You are making good power at that point even on a 14b.

i swapped a red top...

I pulled on a Saabaru WRX from about 90 to 150ish with the following mods:

13-14PSI on 14b
3" TB exhaust
2.5" UICP and elbow
ACT 2600

just adding some related info

Dood. 11.5psi

..ahem....on a new factory blueprinted engine maybe. And yes, its 11.5psi (a figure that one probably never sees since no one runs stock boost - heh). And, that extra 3.5psi is going to do jack, maybe 25-30hp at the most.

Not with a JDM with say 100xxx +++ kms on it. No way on earth on an ill tuned engine.

well, i just picked up an mpv for a new daily so i can finally start fine tuning this thing...

i really think it's out of tune but still hauls a$$

i thought the 93 4g63 runs 14.5 psi stock???

no...that is for 2g's
'93 is 1st gen. I believe it's 10-11psi.

MPV, eh? What year?

it's a '92...why?

I had one. sigh... . And to stay on topic, I could never beat a WRX in one. But it did go to florida/ohio/qubec/BC and was still going strong - 1 gear when I got hit.

Lean is mean.

i'm gonna drive this thing to the ground


so i logged my car today just cruising around and the advance timing was up to 35 deg.

and it only went up with acceleration

like i said, i'm still new to this logging business

You can't have 35deg advance during a WOT pull.
Maybe you were looking at a log of deceleration?

like i said i did the log just of a general cruise to see what's going on (while in traffing, accellerating, idling etc) and on a regular accelleration the degrees jumped up to 35

i'll do another log later

thanks rob

Wow 39 replies to such an innocent war story

And yes as some have mentioned WRX's are slow wood. (BTW first year they came out was 2002 - no such thing as 2001 WRX!)

My buddy in a bone stock prelude starts pulling on them after second gear, they only run 94 mph in the quarter.


I've seen cars with your mods run 13.5@100mph, my guess is you have a serious boost leak and/or your knocking pretty hard.

i SMOKED a 2002 prelude w/cai and exhaust...

still have to check for leaks but i don't think i have any...

i'm getting a cel for knock sensor but when i log it i get 9 every-so-often