So this is the first time i've seen one of these let alone been up against one, apparently they're supercharged. Anyways, headed out to a friends and this guy is infront of me is driving rediculously slow 65 in an 80... so road comes to an end and he turns the same way as me ( long country road). Soon as i turn the corner--- pinned in the pass lane. so he dropped a gear and surprisingly pulls ahead of me :rolleyes: so i drop a gear and that was that...or so i thought. those things are pretty quick he was only a half car length behind me and i was only slowly pulling away.... boost was set stock being that i have a new clutch, so that played a role in that part, and the conditions wern't very good...another one bites the dust !

Well on paper at least a supercharged 2.0L inline 4 at 12 psi @205/200 and a few hundred pounds lighter would be the same as a new FWD Talon....on paper at least.

Either way the Talon looks Ten times better. The rims that they put on those Cobalts look god awful. They look like paper. With that being said I am glad I read this cause I have been wondering how those Cobalts worked.

I think they look ok not that bad and should go ok. A turbo has much more potential I think, not sure how far they can go on their stock blower.

As for looks I think my 2g looks better and 1g looked as nice or actually a bit more distinctive.

I would think a stock supercharged cobalt can give a stock fwd talon a decent run .An awd should destroy it off the line but think awd would be quite a bit heavier than the cobalt so maybe would lose top end? Curious to see how these things do at local track.

A buddy of mine has a Colbolt SS. I dont mind thelooks that much. But they are way underrated. He put it on the Dyno with only 9000K on it. Not a thing done to it. And it put down 220 WHP. I cant remember the torque but it too was higher then crank ratings...
The boost was not tampered with or anything.
GM deffinatly underrated theese... Big time!

I think they are not too bad. It is a huge improvment over the car it replaced. I also think we have to rember that not every manufacture is making a two door 2.0L turbo awd car any more.

Not denying the dyno number but they vary from type of dyno and setup. A dyno is really only good for measuring the effects of modifications and tuning on the same car on the same dyno.

2.0L ECOTEC Supercharged Engine
The all-aluminum dual overhead cam, 2.0L ECOTEC Supercharged four-cylinder engine is built off the strengths of the original, naturally aspirated 2.2L ECOTEC engine.
The 2.0L Supercharged engine has a four-valve cylinder head, maintenance-free chain-driven camshafts, counter-rotating balance shafts and an integrated oil cooler.
The Eaton M62 supercharger spins at a low rpm, which improves durability and creates less noise while allowing for plenty of top-end power. Power delivery of the supercharged engine is instantaneous. Maximum boost of the supercharger is 12 psi.
Also included on this engine:
A direct-mount oil cooler.
Oil jets for piston cooling.
Heavy-duty pistons.
Strong connecting rods.
Forged-steel crankshaft.
Large oil pump.
Sodium-filled exhaust valves for improved durability.
A high-strength aluminum cylinder head.

Type 2.2L ECOTEC DOHC / 2.0L ECOTEC Supercharged DOHC
RPO L61 / LSJ
Displacement (liters/cu. in.) 2.2/134 2.0/122.0
Bore & stroke (in.) 3.4 x 3.7 3.4x3.4
Bore & stroke (mm) 86.00 x 94.60 86.00 x 86.00
Compression ratio 10.0:1 9.5:1
Block material cast-aluminum cast-aluminum
Cylinder head material cast-aluminum cast-aluminum
Valves per cylinder 4 4
Ignition system electronic electronic
Lifters hydraulic hydraulic
Cam drive chain chain
Alternator rating (amps) 105 105
Battery (SAE rating, cca) 525 525
Recommended unleaded fuel 87 octane 91+ octane1
Redline (RPM) 6500 6500
Horsepower/kW @ engine RPM 145/108.17 @ 5600 RPM 205/152.93 @ 5600 RPM
Torque (lb.-ft./N-m) @ engine RPM 155/210.15 @ 4000 RPM 200/271.16 @ 4400 RPM

Well john maybe the companies should make more 2 door awd turbo cars.Damm them what the hell are they thinkig of any ways

well i had my chance to finnally destroy one of these on the weekend. ive seen this black ss rollin around town here, well then friday night i was pullin out of a harvies goin on to a 4 lane road. well when i pulled out he musta seen the huge front mount cause when hee looked over he smiled. lol. so anyways were rollin down the road. and i go the speed limit. so a like 50 roll. i get up beside him and were both even the i hear the ss gear down. so im thinkin ok this guy wannts to have soem fun. i i put it to second, and then he juist goes back fast. i just pulled 2nd and a bit of 3rd.. and he wasnt even a compition. so then we get to some lights. im ahead of him by a couple lengths. im stoped at the lights and hes comin up behind, in the next lane. then the lights turn green so i just launched it soo hard had all wheels looking for traction.. i pull 1st 2nd . and 3rd and im up to over 100k in a real short time. he had no chance even when he didnt have to stop at the light. but then i pull in to a macs to get a drink. he pulls in behind me and gets out and he like holy **** thats fast.... im like yea its not bad. but he was so suprized that he didnt have the fastest car in town, i thought it was kinda funnie.....

I can assure you that these cars are NOT fast at all. They're not especially light, over 2800lbs, without driver, and the power isn't very impressive.

Remember that there's also two versions of the SS. An SS N/A engine that runs a 2.4L making 171HP, and 163ft.lbs.

Then there's the SS Supercharged, 2.0L making the 205HP, and 200ft.lbs.

For my money I would get an SRT-4 over this car anyday. $2,000 more for the SRT.

Well one of the DSM guys here Denny just got one
and he is very happy with it. He also sad that
GM is going to have something like the SRT4 upgrade kits Stage 1 and Stage 2 etc etc.

Should be interesting to see.

I'll run him once hes done the break in period.
its gonna take some convincing since its his new baby and all

I took one out for a test drive and wasn't impressed, it dooen't handle like a talon thats for sure!!
slow just a bit more that a honda
the srt 4 I've takin up too
its nice.. I think it'd be a good run at a rolling start
my friend just bought the ss
I'm going to run him b4 i sell my car
get some more money outta the car by beting him!!
I'll get a vid of that race (track cough cough)

the SS was the fastest Slalom production car in the last 5 years beating out the previous best the Corrvette Z06

Regardless of all these factors. How many Talon AWD's do you see going down the road? How many Cobalts do you see after only being available for a couple of months (If that here). I know for a fact that there are already more Cobalt SS's in this town than all TSi's and GSX's combined. This is in a town of around 80 000 people with a lower average income. I'm glad to have a unique car that everybody turns their head at. Another month and seeing a Cobalt is going to be like seeing a 5.0L Mustang or a Civic. They'll be everywhere.

According to who?

^^^
Motor Trend

I belive that Motor Trend had it doing 14.5 at 98.2mph. Braking 60-0 115 feet-200ft skidpad .89g 600ft slalom 69mph.It was in Febuary. Just saying that they not a bad car or a great one.

Motor Trend

92 Tsi AWD (tested 9/92)
0-60 6.7
1/4 15.2@89.5
Braking 126
g .87
slalom 69.0

92 Laser RS Turbo
0-60 7.1
1/4 15.0@91.4
Braking 123
g .87
slalom 69.2

95 Eclipse GSX
0-60 7.0
1/4 15.4@89.0
Braking 123
g .86
slalom 63.6

Talons have always had class leading slalom with better than average lateral #'s. Not being a Chevy fan at all and not having driven a Cobalt I would have to say again that on paper based on specs,weight and test track comparisons that a new stock Cobalt and a new Talon would be comparable. There are no new Talons and very few stock so that comparison is only to show that the Cobalt is a contender. As for looks, reliability, fit and finish yadda yadda..well it is a Chevy :rolleyes:

Magazine writers cant drive.

I think that they did a good job with the Cobalt SS. Far better car than the Neon. I also think that with a turbo conversion these cars could easily be 500HP highway monsters.

The 2.4 is not an SS. Maybe in the states they do that but not here in Canada.
All dealers are having trouble getting a few on their hands and rest assured they are all supercharged.

Maybe not but the drivers are trained drivers using the same methodology and equipment etc to do all their testing. So this is the closest thing you can get to a head to test. It not a matter of someone else being able to get faster times by dumping the clutch etc it consistent comparable results. Hence you can use their results to compare a variety of vehicles even from different years.

Comparing a car that was made new 1990 some what new for 1995 to a car that was made new for 2005. It is totally different because crash safty is better emission is better braking handling in most cases is better.

Over time things change in automotive world and if your sales such even if it is the best performance car (Talon) then they are going to move on. Manufactures go where the money is. Performance cars can not win against mini vans or trucks because thats what the majority of people want. Even though those people don't know what they are missing.

Just look at Toyota they have not had a real sports car since 1998 and they are the second largest car maker in the world. Soon they will pass GM and it is not because of sport cars.

Hey I wish that Mitsubishi would make another AWD turbo Eclipse, but that just not going to happen with the best performace car for the money in the world the Evo around!

Well i have to say this car was right beside me at first and i mean the guy could drive... i'll give him that... but considering my boost is at a minor 12 psi compared to his peak 12 psi if he didnt drive the way he did he would have been lost in the first 5 seconds. I've drivin the srt and its pretty quick, as well as other turbo-charged cars... im gona have to say over all performance for my 1G, thats right 16 years older... is far more fun to drive then most.. maybe the only one would be a 300zx twin turbo they're tones of fun too. plus dsm's are huge sleepers depending on looks ( mines stock look with 96 talon rims).... tosted some dirty 05 ranger edge kid tonight... didn't even break second gear... jokes !....

James what other mods do you have done to your car? The Colbalt SS was stock. How do you think you would do if you had no mods? It would be a much better race.

205HP for the SS........220 to the wheels you say?

245HP for the SRT-4.......250+ HP to the wheels I've seen.

$24k for an SRT-4 right now.

It's not even a hard decision unless you're just stupid.

Well i have a jdm motor, which in my opinion isn't any better, 3 inch down back with HF cat, 16G T, new clutch and a boost controller... k&N open air... thats about it i think ? had it been a total stock race i think he would have been infront .. definitly not by much ... and i gaurentee that i could out drive him track or street when it comes to handleing...

The only thing that i don't like about the ss is that it has limitations when it comes to the supercharger, i mean we all can simply turn a nob and increase boost pressure dramatically...and they have to change pullys and belts and all kinds of dum garbadge...not to mention, this thing looked rediculous not very nice at all.... but im sure if i owned one it would be a different story... but i don't so im gona have to say i don't like them!

I have never seen a SRT-4 put down 250+whp that is stock. Turbo mag Sport Compact etc.

Hey those are good numbers for the SS, I did not know they made that much power.

I can vouch for the staged upgrades, it was right in our GM training video.

And with the weak link rods upgraded and sodium exhaust valves added, I'd say the LS-J will be a very tuner freindly engine.

As for it vs the Neon, well, they chose not to make a 2 dr SRT-4. Thier problem.

I personally can't stand the Cobalt.. 2 of my buddies have them, they sit way to high, the interior is blan.. I just hate them... and it's a chevy... look how many cavaliers sunfires etc are sitting in the junk.. Almost everyone I know ranging from old to young have replaced the motor atleast once in there chevy's... I don't know about you but I'd much rather have an SRT-4 atleast it's got a good motor and rather have a Talon over them both But thats my opinion.

Just don't like chevy's.

I have a cobalt and a dsm lol

And a stock 1g dsm is different how?
Stock ride height on a talon makes it look like a off roader

I guess replacing the motor once is better then replacing trannys and every other part on a talon a half a dozen times

I hate chevy's too but Im not going to attack a decent car because its a chev

My neighbour has a "chevy", 430k on original motor with regular maintenence. Have yet to see that on any super import. Cobalt's are nice cars, good power and decent looks.

I think the Neon SRT4 puts down 220 WHP and 250 ib-ft of torque at the wheels.

Yes Jesse I agree with you. I see many test that have SRT-4s with that power.

Dam johnny you are still posting about this haha.You must be trying to beat me to 100 posts

Bottomline is stock for stock The Cobalt with have us for lunch .

Jerry its not the number of posts that make you better than someone. Plus Iam bored with beating you all the time anyways!

Ya I have to admit when it comes to all the bets I have been losing to you lately you have my number.But do not worry the tide will turn.Already I am planning your downfall.It is probably my own fault making dumb bets I knew I could not win.

If you want some more Jerry you know where to find me. As for my down fall Iam aready thinking of a few new bets.

Don't you just love a guy who is a glutten for punishment.

Chevy Cobalt info:
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/chevrolet/cobalt/100434292/specs.html?tid=edmunds.n.researchlanding.leftsidenav..8.Chevrolet*

SRT-4 info:
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/dodge/neonsrt4/100454495/specs.html?tid=edmunds.n.researchlanding.leftsidenav..8.Dodge*

Chevy Cobalt info:
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/chevrolet/cobalt/100434292/specs.html?tid=edmunds.n.researchlanding.leftsidenav..8.Chevrolet*

SRT-4 info:
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/dodge/neonsrt4/100454495/specs.html?tid=edmunds.n.researchlanding.leftsidenav..8.Dodge*

Hi! Guy's like Yasar said I bought a Cobalt SS and am extremely happy with this car. I love talons and always will but the drive , looks, cornering (even stock) with the emidiate Boost response all stock is pretty damn amazing on the SS. Im not here to bash any cars .... But the replacement for my talon had big shoes to fill and the cobalt fills them pretty damn good. am not planning on racing yet still braking it in... but I will be racing in the future when I start moding GM is gonna come out with staged performance upgrades that will be part of the warranty.

Next time you guys meet I will show up and show you guys more of my new baby. Even doe its a chevy badge the cobalt is a opel Astra GTC chassis www.opel.com with a SAAB built engine and tranny so these motors are able to take lots of abuse like the 4g63's.

Anyways hope to meet soon...

Denny
2005 Black cobalt SS
1990 black Talon TSI (RIP)