I'm about 4 lights from the Queensway when a new-looking Saturn, complete with body kit and spoiler, pulls up beside me at a light. I grin to myself as this guy gives me the nod and I nod back. Saturns are not usually worth my time, no offense to you Saturn-enthusiasts, but it looked like this guy cared about appearances at the least.

Seeing as I'm still in a 50 zone, I'm not about to gun it, so I just ease up to the next lights and eventually onto the highway. The Saturn is following quite closely.

Getting onto the 417, this guy in the Saturn starts rushing my rear bumper and there's still no way to pass. Again, I smile to myself and say "Hah! Saturn!" and ease it into second to train this guy... Or so I thought!


So he's getting closer and we merged onto the highway with clear lanes, and I’m sweating bullets because I'm not blowing his doors off. Just when I thought I’d have to put the Talon up for sale because of the great dishonor it has brought me and my ancestors, at around 70km/h and just about to start into third gear, my car starts working her magic. I was happy that I was finally pulling away from him by the time I hit the speed limit, so I shut her down and maintained 100km/h. Talk about a sigh of relief!


My exit comes up and the Saturn follows me off. From the hand signal he gave me, I figured he wanted to talk. While slowing down, I hear a BOV that was not my own and think nothing of it, since it’s a populated area. I found a Tim Horton’s nearby and parked. It turns out the guy turbocharged his Saturn SC2, not 100% sure of the model since he shaved all the badges off, and is running 13#’s with several noticeable modifications including SMIC, BOV, and lots of unfamiliar stuff since I am not a Saturn connaisseur. Looked mint, though, much like his exterior.


We talked for five to ten minutes and he discovered during our conversation that my car was close to stock. I guess that didn’t please him, because he mentioned that he spent near 10 G’s on his motor and it still can’t beat a TSi. He gave me props for pulling on him and I gave him props for the work on his Saturn and said that his was probably the fastest I’ll ever see. We then shook hands and went our separate ways.

LMAO!

That was pretty entertaining. I would have been interested in seeing how it would have progressed past 100km/h but nonetheless you had him! Good job!

Umm.the saturn sky and pontiac solstice both are getting turbo engines with around 260hp which is faster than any bone stock dsm and should be near as fast as some mildly modded up dsms.They are pretty light also I think and thought they were coming out very shortly or are already out.

Of course these are two seater convertibles not the 4 seater normal saturns. Sature already makes the supercharged redline of course same car as chevy cobalt SS supercharged. Those are also a match for bone stock or mildly modded dsms and are pretty easy to tweak up in power also.And to be clear not all cobalt SS are the supercharged ones,they have to have the little supercharged emblem ,of coures guys could take off the emblem to be sneaky.

Saying that the new solstice,redline, and whatever are a challenge or faster than dsm's is a nice statement, "you must work for gm"
Cuz the point is Ford,GM, and even our own chrysler family has a hell of a time trying to pass a car built on 1990 intelligence!

Doesn't matter. #3 on the list of the Top Engines to come out of Japan, 4G63. GM, Ford... whatever... can't top it. I mean, I just pulled mine off the road yesterday, and it has 352XXX on it, running 15psi, and for the last week, I beat the crap out of my car trying to kill it. Rev limiter at times, boost it hard, and it wouldn't die.

GM can have they're Redline, Sky, Solstice... we have our 4G63.

And the pilgrims rejoiced.

A bit off-topic, but the guys at Hahn Racecraft have been having a lot of phun with the SKY and SOLSTICE:

http://www.hahnracecraft.com/ProjectVehicles/New_Folder/Solstice.htm

For the record, the Saturn I mentioned before was most probably an SC2. I'd guess it was at least 5 years old.

As for the Solstice, those things remind me of Porsches from the look of the lights and general cut of the car. Not bad looking, but I have yet to try one to comment on their performance.

I would really like to see where you get your information from.

Super Street Magazine, Maybe not THE magazine, however one of the top in the states...

The 4G63 is up there as an engine that can take it and keep ticking. Not to mention how many people it's made learn the basics of engine repair 101...

Do some re-reading, Allan. I LOVE the Saturn Sky...but even though it's a 'small' roadster, it and the Solstice weigh almost as much as a Corvette, and have 1/2 the horsepower. They'd make better cruisers than racers.

Guys the current skys and solstice have fairly low hp but the turbo ones are available right away with 260 hp. That is more than any stock dsm came with 1g and 2gs and 3gs.And about what mildy modded dsms would put out.
I never said you can't get a dsm to put out more power than these stock but of course you can mod up a sky or solstice turbo also and they are supposed to be very tough engines.
As for reliability you guys are on crack if you think any dsm is as reliable as my many gm cars have been. My 96 trans am,97 trans am and 99 trans am never even saw warranty and they were driven hard,back to back racing against buddies,etc. The small block chevy motor is dead reliable in almost all its incarnations and pretty easy to work on and NOT INTERFERENCE talk about stupid design.I worry every day about my talon engines with the dumb timing belt and wish to God that they made a kevlar belt for my 2.4 motor like they have for the 2.0.
I took out balance shafts as we all know they are the DEVIL!
The dsm engine does make good power for how small it is and does take a lot even when stock.
The dsm are fairly easy to work on but seem to need to be worked on a lot! I spent a lot of hours under and over my talons let me tell you. I spent more time on them than my 96 camaro in all the years have owned it.It got a new waterpump and new alt in like 66,000 miles.
And there are lots of old small block chevy trucks and cars with just as much mileage as any dsm.
Anyway just pointing out that the new turbo saturn sky and solstice will be pretty neat cars and the saturn ion redline and cobalt ss supercharged are also pretty nice cars and bet will be very reliable as well.
But none of the above are awd and turbo and so plan on keeping my 97 talon for a long time and possibly another dsm for winter duty in the snow and bad weather.
I would also consider a 4g if they come out with awd and turbo options in the future.I really like the look of the new 4gs.

no one said they were not going to be a "neat" car, we are just saying it 17 years to make a car that made more power than a cavalier , other than their small block division, and actually unless you had an LT or LS under the hood you would still have trouble shaking off a dsm.

...and you're bench racing again. When a friend of mine bought his Talon his father laughed at him. "A 200hp sports car? I have that much power in my Olds Aurora, and it weighs just as much."

When he drove the Talon, he was impressed. The Aurora wasn't near as fast. Numbers don't mean everything.

Bench racing..well so what.You dont think the new saturn sky or solstice turbo versions with 260 hp will be faster than bone stock 1g and 2gs.Bone stock boost level,no mods?
Also pretty sure the cobalt SS supercharged and saturn ion redline are just as fast or faster than bone stock 1g and 2gs.Again bone stock means stock boost levels zero mods.

I would also put build quality and reliability of any of these new cars far above any 1g and likely a bit better than the 2gs.

That being said its only to be expected as quality has been going up as the years have gone by.

I would love a new 4g someday if they bring an awd turbo 4g into production. They have already built a show car out of one.And the 4g even with no turbos in v6 trim are pretty decent for hp for stock levels of power. Just a few years ago 260,280,300 hp were considered very fast for stock production hp.Now its seems you need 400 and up to be considered powerful with srt 8 everything and 400 hp base vettes.

GM has lagged behind in every catagory that has to do with power and performance in both cars nd trucks. I guess its good to see after that after 10-12 years GM is finally stepping into the 90's

More importantly lets end this topic. we are all here for one reason we all love dsm's, (except maybe allan)JK

The only difficulty in proving what Allan is saying is the fact that 1g's are anywhere between 12-16 years old. Sure, bone stock older cars against any new car with more horsepower results would probably reflect the older car losing.

Ever beat the crap out of a Pontiac? Take it from me, they don't handle it like we can dish it out. I won't even go there with Saturns. Beat the crap out of a DSM and you're usually good for a while before anything gives because our motors are proven to be reliable past 300+ horsepower on stock internals and mild modifications.

We can't possibly guesstimate the life expectancy of one of these newer cars, nor can we predict the manner in which they will accept modifications for the simple fact that they are brand new and barely have a knowledge base. It's one thing to have a performance institution modify everything on the car to make it run 12 seconds or less, but quite another to have every day drivers turn their cars into monsters all by themselves.


That said, I am still glad I whooped that boosted Saturn SC2. Ah, how I will miss the days when Saturns were slow. I'd be glad to line up with one of these new cars when they're on the road. Until then, count me out of the bench racing.

AMEN

I will be hunting these new dogs too, if they ever surface

The third gen camaros,firebirds were pretty weak in the early 80s for awhile and the mustang 5.0s ruled the streets back then.Well expect for some exceptions from gm the buick regal turbos and the firebird trans am turbos in the early to late 80s.

There were no dsms pre 1990. By the mid 90s gm had killer cars that ate stock and near stock dsms for launch.The wicked lt1 f bodies which I have had several ,had 275 to rougly 305 hp rated power.At the late 90s the ls1s came on the scene with engines underated putting out usually around 350 hp engine.Ford countered back in the mid90s with thier mustang cobras and mid 2000s with
its new 300 hp mustang,the 380hp underated cobra in 2003.Dodge recently got serious with all their srt stuff,the chargers,300c,srt 4 neon,etc.
Toyota in the 90s had their awesome twin turbo supra,nissan their twin turbo z,mazda their tt rx7 and dodge mits their tt stealth 3000vr4s.

Along the way gm made several other very reliable cars that were not slow.The awesome pontiac 97 onward gtp supercharged 3800 coupes were a good example.Very good engine ,very reliable and not slow at all even stock.Buddies with near stock ones have gone 13.99 at local track. Sure gm had the fairly gutless econo cars like the sunfires and cavaliers and lots of not that powerful 4 door stuff.

Yes I love dsms had 4 now.Yes I love my fourth gen f bodies..had four of them now also. Liked my three fieros also one four banger and two v6 gts back in the mid 80s and would love a 2000 or so gtp 2 door coupe.If wasn't into talons would consider a cobalt ss and would consider a solstice if was looking for a two seater vert.
I have a v8 vert already so don't much care about any more verts.

I will say that would like a c6 as next car auto and and not a vert will do just fine. But would likely keep the current stable of f bodies and the 97 talon. I can't afford a garage full of ferraris and bmws and mercedes but can afford a few of these cheaper cars.

James I doubt with your mod list you will have any trouble with most of the stuff I was talking about. Your competition is a bit higher up the food chain like mine in the 97.

^^^^Wow, he DOES toot his own horn alot.

" When you got it flaunt it!"
Or how about don't hate me because I have more horsepower than you.

How about "Until i have a 650hp dyno slip I am still standing here with more money than brains", or "Until I have a half way decent time slip I am still the biggest bench racer on the internet', or "Finally people have gone faster on a 14b than I have on the biggest wunderturbo."

Ok how about" I bought a seriously overpriced 2.3 and had no money left for a real turbo so have a teeny little 16g on it."

I think its time to bring up my old quote..

"And you guys with t25s and 14bs and 16gs can quit trying to justify them to me. I like big turbos,big TITS,big v8s with twin turbos.Big hp!Big torque.And 10 second quarters and 200mph top end impress me as well.In any car."

The dynos and timeslips will come sooner or later. Till then content to see the type of cars that I have been blowing the doors off already at pretty low boost levels. Of course these contests of speed were purely imaginary.

And for the do as I say and not as I do Tim since you started it would you please post your timeslips and dyno numbers. I need to compare what a mighty evo 16 can do compared to a oversized waste of money 3065.

And as also said a few times welcome all challenges in my city from any evo or 14b or 20 g or whatever cars that figure they are faster than the 97 with current mods. Already had a few of my f body club buddies try out the 97 and they have been dynoed.

Buddy in 2001 z28 who ran the 97 said the 97 was faster at only 14x psi ,buddy who had 383 lt1 trans am and had ride in the 97 said one word described it at 22psi and that word was "viscous!" Another buddy with nine second big block chevy who road in it at 20 or so psi said he would not ride in it again without a rollcage at 30psi and he knows fast.

Anyway sorry to get dragged off post. This started just because said Troy with his 20g should not have much trouble with these new saturns and solstices if they were in stock form.As we know what a 20g is potentially capable off just like we know what a FP3065 is potentially capable of. And for the 100th time if you can look up dynos and timeslips of cars with identical or very nearly identical mods it don't take a rocket scientist to figure out what that car can potentially run.
You can call that bench racing or you can call that RESEARCH. :rolleyes:

Trust me Allan, the choice to have the 16g on the car is not a financial decision, I have plenty of cash if I wanted to add on a larger turbo.
As for a time slip, the car has gone 12.38 at 110.
As for the dinky little 16g the main reason that the turbo hasn't been swapped out is that Kala has been using the car as a daily driver, and the ACT 2100 won't hold anything more.
Go back to bench racing, it seem's to be the only thing you know.

As for you car any number's yet, either at the track or the Tazzo?

The financial admin for the dean here has got a cabrilet Solistice, and she is mid fities or something. some say midlife!!!


Woah dude....
Allan,
One suggestion was that if people don't like your threads, they should stay out of them. Sounds like a fair claim. But you again started to stick your nose into other thread and bring up the memories of how a biggger turbo and a stroker and many other mods could result in very little relative power if it is not backed up with a bit of intelligence.

You act like the biggest idiot, someone who found a pile of cash and has no idea what to do with it. But never fails to brag about it. Choice of turbo is not always dictated by finances. And finances dedicated to car projects aresn't always dictated by wealth, and non of these indicate how mush grey cells you got up there. And no, you have proven very well that neither the Turbo size or claimed good job and education could bring someone respect. Most of us will never see each other and therefore the forum domain is the extent of our interaction. And in this very domain you have left very little respect for yourself.

Needless to say, to MANY, someone who spends some moderate money on a hobby and allocate resources to other things in life, seems smarter than a fellow who blows it on a bigger turbo. Let alone a bigger turbo with no gain, that is being dumb.

What you fail to understand is, some just don't care! Some ENJOY just using their brain and coming up with cheaper smarter solutoins.


From a very technical standpoint, no, a bigger turbo is not always better. That is why Rally cars don't come with dumptruck turbos! it is sad you need this explained to you.

One should always try not to act as a reminder to others about failures. But you are doing the public a good!

You will get offended by this but tought sh!t

Amin I am not offended in the slightest by most of you guys. You guys take this car modding stuff way too seriously. I built my 97 to be what I wanted and so far its meeting all its expectations. It ran one 13.3 first shake down untuned and just getting used to launching it. With full tank of fuel,heavy subbox,spare tire,heavy crome 17 inch wheels and wide tires.
At 1900 feet above sea level. Not overly disappointed with that time.
1/4 tank,no subbox,spare,better 60ft than a 2.0 and easy 12s right there at only 1bar or just under 14 psi.

I own the car.I know how fast it can be.I have ran it at 20 to 22 already. And it has another 8 or more psi left in reserve.

And not sure what you mean about life. I have a roof over my head,groceries in the cupboard,kids have winter coats.

Never said everyone should go out and mod their cars to the moon.Obviously most can't afford to as you said they have other priorites. Whatever its hobby Amin..not my life.

I got drawn into another big turbo little turbo debate. Took the bait again!

And so did you guys.Two of my dsms have the stock turbos on them. I like them just fine too.
Even if they are slow as slugs!

Oh yeah, well... My dad can beat up your dad!


Can we get back to the topic? If not, in the words of the spooky house in the Simpsons:
"Geeeet ooouuut!" :rolleyes:

Otherwise, pass me some popcorn, Rob!

somebody freeze this topic

Oh yeah, you're right. I thought that was a beer! Can you blame me though, I live in Kitchener. We've had Octoberfest here for almost a week now.

I had looked at a Z28 V8 just before I bought my Talon in '95. It was priced right, but wasn't the car I wanted. Too big, wouldn't have been a year-round car, and I shudder to think about the fuel mileage.

My DSM did all of that just fine, and was very reliable until I let Chrysler get ahold of it. I've seen GMs have their problems as well.

I suppose once you're used to 500+hp V8s and 700hp 97's that my little stock Talon wouldn't be impressive. But it wiped everything else off the road, and kept up with Integra GSR's and your precious F-Bodies and Mustangs. And that's not including 'off the line'. The only ones that would outright walk away from me were modded, usually with many thousands of dollars into their engines.

After I had rebuilt with 2G pistons, head porting and turbo porting, I took my brother in law for a drive. He's into Thunderbirds/Mustangs, and sat back sneering until I almost sent him into the rear seat accelerating in 1st and 2nd. He said that I'd give most cars at the local dragstrip a nasty shock, and got a bit of respect for 4 cyls, especially turbos.

Oh yeah, and this was with a 14g at stock boost levels. I actually AM one of the people that couldn't afford to do anything more.

Give me that 17 year old car back, and I'd run it against a Cobalt or Solstice with the upgraded engines. They might win, but my car would hold it's own. And was probably built with better quality materials.

Actually the fourth gen ls1 and lt1 cars can pull amazing mileage especially the six speed manual cars. I would say its equal to or possibly even better than the dsms for mileage. Two overdrive gears are one of the reasons car tachs like 1500 rpm at 100km hr in sixth. The auto cars can also give great mileage with the 2.73 option.
Dsms can be fairly reliable if you maintain them and many have had heck driven out of them by former owners many of whom seem to be young kids.
None of my fourth gen camaros or firebirds saw warranty for more than minor minor things,hairline dash cracking. The 96 z with 66000 miles on it whichis low has only seen a water pump and alt relplaced by me.
My 96 ta,97 ta and 99 ta have not seen any warranty except as mentioned dash hairline crack on the 99. I did burn out the clutch but that was from back to back racing buddies over a few months.
They are a bit bigger than the dsms sizewise although surprised what a crappy turning circle my 2g has.Weight they are a bit heavier with most loaded up fourth gens like the tas coming in around the 3500 pound mark ,spoilers, ground effects etc add to the weight. The ls1 cars have full aluminum engines block and heads though so are a touch lighter than the lt1 with iron blocks.
No stock dsm meaning bone stock factory boost can come close to any lt1 or ls1 fourth gen.A bone stock 1g or 2 g running bone stock factory boost will do low 15s high 14s. Lt1 can easily do mid to low 14s and ls1s low 14s to mid 13s.Unless you are at high altitude. Stock ls1 have gone high 12s in tests at sea level tracks on street tires.
It takes at least a boost controller to make a 1g or 2g be even close to as fast as a lt1 or ls1 fourth gen and more than a stock turbo with boost controller to touch an ls1.
Awd of course can help the dsm get off the line faster if the fourth gen is on pure street tires.I run nitto drag radials all the time on my
fourth gens. I can pull about 1.9 60fts with the nittos on the street.Not great but not too bad.
In short light to light race the awd dsm does have a decent advantage ,in full quartermile it takes some mods to make the dsms fast as ls1.

Fourth gens are also easy enough to mod and not super expensive. You can hit 500 engine hp pretty easily in the ls1 cars with some heads ,cam and headers.About 2500 US should buy that stuff.You can get to about 550 with bit better heads.

I have timed on my tazzo and seen lots of dsms and fourth gens racing at local at local tracks.
I have seen dsms win over the fourth gens thru bad driving frequently and ditto the other way.
Driving is often much more important than hp. And fourth gens are not easy to race on street tires and manual cars open up driver error from short shifting,missed shifts,hitting the rev limiter etc. Autos make much better race cars.
Much more consistent. My 96 z28 with minor bolts ons,cold air, catback,underdrive,58mm tb, 2800 stall and 3.42 gears ,nittos runs 13.5 to 13.7 depending on 60ft.Correcting to sea level would be about 13.2 to 13.4.
It takes a lot to get a t25 car down to that time ,not as much for the 14bs.

I remember hearing that the motor in the Cavaliers of the era needs to be "blanketed" to withstand any boosting?

Does that apply to smaller saturns too?

Basically the engine was shaved down to what it needed ot be and nothing more. Which makes sense for an eocnomy car?!

I knew a guy who tried putting a turbo on his Z24 without really modifying anything. It lasted for the drive to the drags and one and a quarter runs at Luskville. POOF. All kinds of damage to his engine. He expected as much. This is the same guy who put something like a 200-shot of nitrous in his Firefly just for laughs, and I think he has a Gremlin with a big-block V8 in it now.

I'm pretty sure there are significant changes necessary to boost a Cavy, but can't say for sure because that's not my cup of tea.

Allan, why are you comparing a DSM to a Camaro? There not even in the same class. DSM's are really in the same class as the Integra GSR/Type R, Sentra SER etc. GM had like 40 years to perfect there motors and cars which is far more than the time the DSM's had. Compare your Camaro's Trans Ams to other pony cars. The 2003 Mustang Cobra VS 2002 Camaro/Trans Am, now thats a comparason. The funny thing is, a bone stock DSM will give a scare to an LT1 in the first 1000 feet. I managed to pull a 14.6 at 91 mph BONE stock, its all about how you launch these things.

Troy was making the point of keeping up to them I think he said 14b at stock boost. Which from owning three 1gs and a stock 2g for a week or so I was basically laughing at big time. Yes off the line but thats about it not a full quarter. A high 14 at that mph is not in the lt1 or ls1 league. Lt1 run 96 to 100 mph usually and
ls1 100 to 105 or so.Stock.Unless at high altitudes.NA cars don't like altitude.Now up the boost and mod the dsms and they get closer or faster of course.

But I did say on the street or track its easily possible for a slower car to win over a faster one especially an awd over a rwd on street tires. Or maybe should say the camaros and firebirds are potentially faster and should easily win from a roll over stock bone stock boost 1g or 2gs.

Past the quartermile it would also be massacre for the car with more hp assuming not a huge weight difference and the z28 and formulas are pretty light actually especially in ls1 form.Only slightly heavier maybe than an awd dsm.

The 2003 cobras are wicked cars and faster than any stock lt1 or ls1.No argument there. Easy to mod to huge power also.

I am just talking about camaros and firebirds from a reliability point of view all four of my fourth gens were very reliable.Much more than my dsms.
And I am saying that normally at the tracks not a chance a bone stock dsm can beat a fourth gen lt1 or ls1 if either car has a drag type tire.
On street tires its possible the ls1 or lt1 can lose from spinning too much for sure.Its what makes the dsms so wicked fun on the street where most cars are on street tires.
Thats a big reason I love my dsms also.
I would like to add though that even with my expensive apexi gt exhaust my camaro and firebird sound 10 times better to me. I can only say at least sound better than a honda in the dsm!
Hard to beat v8s for mean sounds!

I know the Camaro's and Trans Am's are more reliable than the DSM thats for sure. Even if they are both left stock, there is the odd DSM that can get into the 300,000 KM area without many problems, but I have seen a lot of LT1's (Caprices) where 300,000 KM is nothing to them. The Integras are more reliable than the DSM's to tell you the truth, but when you make 128 Ft ibs of torque at 7000 RPM, it better not break anything lol. The DSM could of been a little more beefed up from the factory. Maybe a stronger transmission, transfter case and rear diff. The wiring could definetly could of been done better. Some of the wire up on the DSM's are just plan stupid. However, at that point, the car would cost a little more money.

Actually transfer cases,rear ends and even trannies can take some pretty big power. But the center diff is weak point and the tranny can break under hard shifting at high power for sure.
Thats why plan on TRE trans and likely some stronger axles and of course a 4 spider diff to make my 97 as bulletproof as possible.

The lt1 and ls1 f bodies have a weak rearend which might stand up not bad in auto cars but will break a lot in stick cars once you start running sticky tires. Autos in those cars also can be a bit weak under real high power /nitrous type stuff.

Every car has its good and bad points really even in the exotics.

One thing that really surprises a lot of people is just how great mileage can be on these fourth gen camaros and firebirds.To have 300,400,500 hp and still get amazing mileage is a result of the new technology.In the old days muscle cars were lucky to get a third of the mileage that current ones can get.

Those high overdrive gears are great on the highway, but don't do anything for city driving.

And when I said keep up with them, that's what I mean. They'd pull away, but relatively slowly compared to most other cars. So I don't know what this 'laughing' thing is. I tend to respect other people, though.

And yes, I find that most F-body/Stang drivers can't drive, or more they can't restrain themselves, so they'd be spinning all over the place. I easily beat a late '80s Z28 on the highway (~135mph), and my car felt WAY more powerful than both a modded 1G that was shown to me in Orlando, and a 2G in good condition running 14psi... Maybe I just had a good example?

I also surprised a couple of sport bikes when they turned their heads and saw me behind them... at 125mph. You can say what you like, but it was an impressive car... even stock. I miss it.

Guy's I can tell you right now stock per stock the cobalt ss/sc (lsj saab engine) is very well matched for the stock dsm with the 4g63.
ss pic1

ss pic2 dyno

am putting down over 260hp / 250torque with a aem filter/2.8" pulley/42lb injectors and custom pcm tune(hptuners) thats it.

100$ filter
100$ pulley
160$ injectors
300$ custom tuned
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660$ total I think thats not bad at all.

I had a 90 tsi for 5 years and recently traded it for my 05 SS/SC am still a huge fan of the 4g63 but I dont miss it too much. But I still believe the 1g tsi was at least 10 years ahead of its time. Damn i loved that car....
1g 90tsi
1g tsi pic2

Nice man
That's not bad for 660 bones. Black is the best colour for that car in my opinion.

Thats a decent gain from just those few mods on your cobalt. Nothing wrong with that.The dsm are of course also pretty cheap to mod up to reasonable power especially the 14b cars.
Boost controller and fuel pump. Air filter.
Maybe better exhaust and would think they can approach the cobalts numbers. If not go a bit farther with some bigger injectors maybe a maf translator setup or safc and water /meth injection or some race gas or homemade race gas.
Thats the fun thing about the dsm ,lots of potential and easy to mod up and easy to bolt on much bigger turbos.

I also drive a cobalt SS 4dr.. It is my daily and I plan on keeping it that way. The DSM line up is much cheaper and has more bolt-ons available, now if I can get my hands on one again lol.

The SS you drive is a 2.4VVT not to be confused with the 2.0L in the SS supercharged/intercooled cobalt. But you are right nothing beats the bang for the buck with the DSM. The potential is unreal with the 4g63 from 200hp to 1000hp without costing u an arm and leg.

Was the Saturn silver? If so, he lives on my street. The car was in some magazine, I just dont remember what one.