Thought of the day!
I've posted a link below of a picture that says it all. On the Left, if you can see it is my FWD Laser. On the right my AWD. Hmmmmmmm which one am I taking ice fishing?

http://users.efni.com/~sherwdbb/laser/FWDvsAWD/FWDvsAWD.jpg

FWD

AWD is too much extra weight and will fall through the ice. Plus AWD is gay on the highway

I'm with you.

2wD only way to fly. Learn how to launch properly!!!!

Bah...real men only race on a roll!!

what about 1 wheel drive on

35/120R14 tires?!?!
(a 4 wheel vehicle by the way)

Guess what that is!?

rz350 or a moped

thomas, NOP!

goes up to 100KMH

Haha Its a trick question.....the FWD would still be stuck in the driveway with the snow and freezing rain we have had. Only the AWD would have made it. Plus the speed that the AWD could travel across the ice means there would only be figure eights and no cracking Why is it that only guys without AWD seem to feel it isnt a big deal....kinda like the guy that says size doesnt matter, or the check is in the mail, or no honey your a$$ doesnt look fat in those jeans

All wrong!
The answer to today's question was;

A: Neither, it's too dam cold to do anything but sit here and look out the window.

Thank you for playing today's trivia. You'll all receive a free bag of popcorn but, you'll must come here to claim your prize. Some restrictions may apply. Like snow!

Haha Darin youre a pup I was born in Sudbury and we used to run out of the sauna naked...run through the snow and jump into the lake where the ice had been broken up. From there back into the sauna

Looks like you FWD guys are having drive train envy.

I bet I know the answer to Amin....

Speaking of Sauna. I was in Picton this weekend, where we did exactly the same thing...it's great. Only difference is that we chop a hole in the ice. AS much as I hate the cold, I love doing that. Sauna is good anytime, cold, hot, heaven, hell.

It's ironic, as it's hot like hell in there, but it feels like heaven.

No no no no no Jeff. If you can't launch your car, no matter how quick your car is, you still lose to a Honda, a slower car. Remember that one in Woodbridge, last summmer. you had in on a roll, but in the standing start, (which really counts)...you got roasted.

Seriously, if you learn to lauch it, it goes like a bat out of hell, if you're meaner to clutch, that it is. Get some rubber, get a clutch, they don't have that much advantage out of the hole. Nothing that can't be made up in gearing difference and weight.

Everyone talks about weight difference, gear ratio difference plays a HUGE PART. In it. Third gear winding all the way up to 155km is great. That is unless you make more than 350bhp to the tire that is. Then it may be hard, that's the highest HP i've ever driven. That was harder to make it out of the hole. Fun, but harder. It was RWD though with Posi.

FWD can launch. If you want to see what it can do, lend me your car Jeff, I'll rematch with that Civic.

Yeah I plan on getting sick tires this year at the very least, maybe even LSD

Truth is I hardly ever get races from a dead dig. Around here most times it's always while already rolling. And thats just fine with me

P.S. in fairness to me that civic was stripped out with Type R motor swapped in running high 13's

True true, but there are oppurtunities plenty at times. Learnt he launch without the LSD and then once you get it, it's a lot easier. A car with no LSD can launch quick, jsut not as easily. Learn that then your'e laughing.

Regarding the Civic, you had him on the roll (your car was fasater int helong run), just not the launch. The standing start is where it's at for "bragging rights" I personally don't care for bragging rights, I know you don't either. It's still fun for me to race from a standing start regardless. I enjoy it more. Driver skill becomes a HUGE issue here. I can beat a quicker car, or lose to a slower car. Skill is involved, rather than bank accounts (read: money equals horsepower) I can beat a guy with 30 large invested in his car, if he don't know how to launch the thing, right?

It's great. I love pulling on guys with slightly more traction...like AWD guys once I'm rolling.

Racing from a roll - invention from guys who can't get out of the hole. I.E. guys who can't launch worth sh!t, and thought they could save face by saying "lets race from a roll". Perfect example of these people are FWD DSM'ers and Supra drivers. All whine and complain, stay away or you will be destined to hear them bitch and complain about how they couldn't hook.

That was taken from my dictionary, can't find the exact one.

There is really not that much difference between AWD and FWD in a launch. You just have to know how to do it. And you'll more than make up for it at the end. I can do low 2.3 60' time on my FWD Galant consistantly with crappy street tires. Thats barely even 1/2 a second slower than my AWD talon. I bet I can outdrag a similarly powered stock AWD Talon on the strip with a FWD Talon.

most ppl race on a roll nowadays...ghey but true.

Ian, You forgot about Civic drivers as well.

That is very true Ian.

Many will not race from a start hence the fly bye later on, when I've already braked.

It irks me, but it's a fact of life. Most people are afraid to race from a start unless they have AWD. :rolleyes: I am not. I enjoy it far more. I do both races and as far as I'm concerned, standing start equals driver skill, roll on equals cop out and who has more money to dump into BHP mods.

I was able to get 2.2 60' times with my last car, a 2.2 turbo lebaron, FWD. It would smoke the tires all the way through 1st and most of 2nd if I wasn't careful though.

It's not really any easier to get a good launch out of the AWD, it's just that the bad AWD launches are still faster than a good FWD launch.

Once you get it, you get it, and you won't be afraid of a standing start.

I agree with Nick there. once you learn, you learn.

Why should you be afraid of a stadning start anyways? It's all in fun at the end of the day. Unless you're racing for money, if you're racing for money and you can't launch go home and practice.

AWD, FWD blah blah blah.

It's all about 1WRWD. (one wheel rear wheel drive.)

1.8 short time, bone stock, no tire spinning. 89 GSXR 750.

I enjoy racing on a roll far more. But thats just me. Otherwise I would've bought an AWD in the first place. Any car can accelerate to 60mph fairly quick. Its the 60-120mph time that really seperates the men from the boys.

And you don't need major $$$ to run on the highway. Just well chosen mods and good tuning is enough. You should see the looks you get when you pop your hood to a Supra TT driver and all you have under the hood is a puny 14B

You do to beat any car worth it.

You beat a Supra TT with your mods? That's very impressive as the TT's dominate the highways. Even with a MKIII Supra my bro and I were pulling 14.1's @ 102 MPH. Bear in mind this is 3800lb car too. Which is good for a better ET than that. If we didn't both have bald tires, I mean, really bald.

I would say that MPH is enough to take your car with your mods. That is nowhere near enouigh to take a TT on the highway.

Well i would love to see you AWD guys in a 400 hp FWD and see how great you guys are. With my 235 wide R compound yokohamas and the phantom grip i have trouble launching in 1st at times. You AWD guys talk big about racing from a light, would love to see you in a high hp FWD. Jeff's FWD car dont count its not fast j/k

You know the saying no replacement for displacement?
Need a saying for the AWD/FWD wars

Thomas who are you trying to convince Why would we need to try a high HP FWD when we have AWD. You may want to check with Ian but im pretty sure launching a high HP AWD for class winning times is pretty simple and we could all do it eh . Everybody has the right to love their car period but to say one type of drivetrain or car is the BEST is simply crap. If you want to pick one very narrow area where a car excels and say thats why mine is best then go nuts. Its supposed to snow on Friday lets see what kind of 60' times you get against me...I will set up a winch on my car to pull you out of the ditch. Im still waiting for Ronnie to get his bike out and take me on when its snowing or raining. Or how about a burn out contest oh yeah you will win that cause all i get is traction..damn i guess thats why all those Audi AWD or Archer Brother Talon wins against "faster" 2WDrives was all luck. Maybe we could hit the gravel and do a bit of back roads rallying oh yeah scroll up to the winch comment.

The point is any specific situation a given car and setup may be superior but for the big picture AWD is an excellent balance from the street to the track to the commute home. If weight is the big issue that people come back to I am sure 400-500 hp would make that a little bit less of an issue
The reality is unless your car is strictly a track car and gets from place to place on a trailer then most cars need to do a lot of things well. If I had a garage and wallet big enough I would have one of each and get Ronnie to show me how not to end up a grease stain on a racing bike

Good point Jerry. If we're talking about balance here.

My stance is not on the balance side of things though. While we are semi discussing pros and cons of each, we are forgetting that cars are very personal. It's about what the driver wants out of it.

Jerry wants an all around performer. Jeff, wants to build a highway car. Thomas is...well, I don't know...he is a Hyundai Driver after all. (just joking) Thomas has shown that with good rubber, high BHP and a quasi LSD, power can be put down. Ian is building a drag car.

All this shows in the mods that are chosen.

My preference is for a vehicle that performs best in sunny, dry, optimal conditions. I concede that if it rains, snows or is too cold, my vehicle of choice becomes a non contender or a lesser one. That is OK with me. I like my cruises warm and dry.

I'm not saying any drivetrain is better. I have preferences, but those are mine and mine alone. Any given drivetrain is better for any goven circumstance.

At the end of the day, what does your budget permit you to do? For the amount of money that YOU have, what can you buy or spend on that will give YOU (the driver and owner) the MOST enjoyment. Right?

Drive what you like, acknowledge the strengths and weaknesses, improve on them or switch camps if you don't like what you have. Hence my list of vehicles, someone ALWAYS has what I want until I have it, then the other side seems better.

Fun and budget is the factor. I would like AWD the most of all if I had 500BHP and had enough power to negate all negative aspects and still have enoguh power to power slide, donut, throttle steer and donut on a dry summer day.

If not, 2WD till I have money.

Or like Jerry...one of each to suit my mood.

As far as getting on a bike Jerry, it's not that hard to do and not as expensive as one might think. I got my license and bike in 1 month. It doens't take long, it's cheap, it's the most fun you will have with clothes on and once you try it, you will be changed forever the first time you go out on a 20 degree day in the sunshine and on a country road. Sun in your face, breeze in your face. (not to mention all sorts of little nasties at 160MPH) Let's not forget the raw power to weight ratio and amazing handling prowess of a sport bike available on command. You odn't always have to rip it, but when you do, it's an eye opener.

Jerry,

you sir are too serious, you need to relax. If you wanna line up in the snow i dont care. Then we will line it up on dry as well and see what happens to your AWD launch after the 2nd gear .

This is a joke thread really if you did not notice so yeah.

We are talking busniess now!

1000Watts 1WRWD, 250Kg.

Amin, 1000watts? Do you mean KW?

Or is this a school project or something?

that is watts, 1000 watts which translate into 1.3 HP

1.3???

250Kg? That thing is going nowhere. What it is it anyways? Got any pics?

WRONG Wheel Drive sucks.

You FWD boys need to get some RWD or AWD cars and upgrade your status to "MEN".

For me, my opinion is the only one that matters. If I could own only one car, it would have to be AWD. For fun, RWD wins hands down. Then again, I don't think I'd turn down a 996 TT or Murcielago. IMHO, FWD is just simply useless.

Amen!

Gay Old Boys Choir members think alike!

McMaster's goes up to 70KMH,
Waterloo's and Queen's could potentially break the speef limit.

McMaster Solar Car Team
http://members.rogers.com/solarcar/hall.jpg

One big mistake!
http://members.rogers.com/solarcar/gas.jpg

We do get escorts too
http://members.rogers.com/solarcar/police.jpg
and we love to show off,
the other one is the almighty Queen's car which was among the world fastest solar cars. 120kmh with the same 1.3HP
http://members.rogers.com/solarcar/mcqueen.jpg
I couldn't resist putting a picture up from Team Waterloo's car. That car ROCKS. Looks Slick and sexy
http://members.rogers.com/solarcar/water.jpg
And this is what happen when the 185cm me tries to getout.
http://members.rogers.com/solarcar/gettingout.jpg

Lowend troque of these motors surprises you,

www.solarcar.mcmaster.ca

ADOPT A CELL GUYS

get your name on one of the cells.

I already have a RWD sports car

Haha thats funny, I guess "boys" with WWD have been handing you your ass for a very long time oh wait nevermind...just saw your official title

FWD

AWD is too much extra weight and will fall through the ice. Plus AWD is gay on the highway

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92 Turbocharged "4g63" Hyundai Sonata AWD is gay? This coming from a turbo Sonata. Give me a 6k launch anyday over a rolling start.