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zero intake leaks club #143764
July 03, 2003 03:15 pm UTC
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Just wanted to announce my membership into this exclusive club. Some of the leaks I had to tackle along the way incude:

-IC clamp
-some open vac lines
-bov gasket
-TB gaskets
-TB shaft seals
-injector seals to head
-turbo outlet gassket
-PCV valve (wasn't OEM... now it is)
-3 leaks at the FMIC endtank welds

I'm very happy that my car now holds 22 psi off my air compressor... even with my stock uncrushed 1G BOV smile .

Who else has successfully made it through this long process?


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Re: zero intake leaks club #143765
July 03, 2003 03:55 pm UTC
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Not me, my intake system won't hold 1psi and while pumping in 30psi the boost gauge will only show 15psi, so I have some major leeks. But I still ran my best time with the leeks... I should really make an effort to fix them soon I guess...


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Re: zero intake leaks club #143766
July 03, 2003 04:19 pm UTC
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Almost there...
Just need to do the shaft seals.

Out of curiosity:
If you have intake leaks and tune with an SAFC, would that tuning compensate for the richness caused by the leak and therefore you aren't burning away the rings? So, the leak is no longer a risk to your engine and only sacrifices performance? Can someone correct me if I'm wrong here? I just want to see if I can delay fixing my shaft seals indefinitely.


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Re: zero intake leaks club #143767
July 03, 2003 08:06 pm UTC
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Mike,

When you do the test does it actually hold 22psi after youve stopped pumping air or does it slowly start falling off? Currently min holds 15psi and when I stop pumping air it slowly starts to fall. I presume this is normal?


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Re: zero intake leaks club #143768
July 03, 2003 08:22 pm UTC
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I'm not sure as the nozzle I am using for my air compressor slowly leaks out air once I stop pumping it in. It's the only leak I can hear though.

If you tune with your logger and an S-AFC you can compensate for the air loss. But this still means your turbo is working harder and hotter then it should be.


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Re: zero intake leaks club #143769
July 03, 2003 08:30 pm UTC
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So in theory If I pump it up and dont hear any leaking then I dont have any leaks, even though the pressure drops on the guage


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Re: zero intake leaks club #143770
July 03, 2003 08:34 pm UTC
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...but the air has to be going somewhere if the pressure is falling off. If you don't hear it, then it may be internal. Take a faulty PCV valve as an example - the air would escape into the crankcase and out the breather into the intake tube you've disconnected. Since that's partially enclosed, you probably wouldn't hear it. I'm sure there are other examples, just can't think of them.


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Re: zero intake leaks club #143771
July 03, 2003 08:42 pm UTC
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Like I said my air is slowly leaking out my nozzle. Ideally it should stay pressurised.

In the real world a slow leak that you can't hear is probably good enough.


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Re: zero intake leaks club #143772
July 04, 2003 02:30 am UTC
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Mike already knows I just recently joined this club myself but I'll let everyone else know as well, NO LEAKS laugh I think mine was even holding close to 30 psi if I remember correctly.

DUMB QUESTION: whats the point of having a pcv valve if these things leak easily? would the car run fine without it?

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Originally posted by Rob Cauduro:
DUMB QUESTION: whats the point of having a pcv valve if these things leak easily? would the car run fine without it?
It creates a vacuum in the crankcase. I've been told you don't want to mess with that. Some race setups just loop the PCV and breather ports through a catch can, and plug the port on the intake manifold. I think this is for race only though and is done to keep the intake spotless.


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Yours held 26 psi in just the IC piping Rob... and 20ish with the TB connected. You don't want to put anymore then about 22~23 psi in the engine due to the valves.


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Re: zero intake leaks club #143775
July 05, 2003 06:34 am UTC
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Just joined my self. I hooked up my boost leak tester to my new HKS TB-elbo after my gasket dried and tested no leaks.

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Originally posted by Mike Jackson:
You don't want to put anymore then about 22~23 psi in the engine due to the valves.
I dont get it Mike, could you expand freak


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Re: zero intake leaks club #143777
July 06, 2003 01:20 am UTC
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Damn I hate getting called out on things I pull from the deep dark regions of my mind... the "I once remember hearing" area way back there wink .

I remember being warned that the stock valve seals won't hold much over 25 psi of constant pressure coming in the intake. Now I'm pretty sure it was just that they'll start leaking somewhere around that point throwing the pressure test results off wack and not actually cause any kind of damage. Since I've never been in there I should probably have kept my mouth shut about the why. Please dispell this myth if you have the power Mr. Randall smile


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Re: zero intake leaks club #143778
July 06, 2003 02:58 am UTC
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Never heard this theory before and I cant dispute it either tongue


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Re: zero intake leaks club #143779
July 06, 2003 10:39 pm UTC
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Quote
Originally posted by Mike Jackson:


I remember being warned that the stock valve seals won't hold much over 25 psi of constant pressure coming in the intake.
So how do some people run 30 psi?

Re: zero intake leaks club #143780
July 07, 2003 09:51 am UTC
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Wouldnt the fact that the motor is running and air is flowing make 30 psi less dangerous than if the engine was off. By dangerous I mean wrecking seals such as valve cover, intake manifold, yadda yadda yadda. I have know idea here, just taking an educated guess.

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Ok, let me say this...I'm not sure where this myth came from or even what exactly is meant by it....but.....

The valves and seats can take alot more than 30psi...I have had my compressor connected to the spark plug hole pushing 125psi into the cylinder in order to keep the valves shut to change valve seals....

Mike, you can now free up some of those used memory cells by deleting this theory from you memory banks.. tongue laugh


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Re: zero intake leaks club #143782
July 07, 2003 07:28 pm UTC
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Len, pressure from the bottom, and pressure from the top are two very diffrent animals smile It'll probably hold several thousand psi from the bottom, but i'll bet 30psi from the top is pushing your luck.

Anyone know what stock valve spring seat pressure is?

Paul

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Originally posted by Paul Kruger:
Len, pressure from the bottom, and pressure from the top are two very diffrent animals smile It'll probably hold several thousand psi from the bottom, but i'll bet 30psi from the top is pushing your luck.

Anyone know what stock valve spring seat pressure is?

Paul
Ok, I know what your talking about now...Mis-read part of Mikes post. laugh I'd also like to know what the spring pressure is.


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Re: zero intake leaks club #143784
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"So how do some people run 30 psi?"

Who runs 30 psi with stock valves/springs? (I mean more then once wink )


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