I had posted at the beginning that Chris was a great guy, and he was. Everything i wanted done he had got done. I wanted my kit out in 3 days he was in the store buying cardboared and everything. then it came to the money part.
I sent my money and we both agreed because of certain circumstances that he will owe me badck 100 dollars.
I recieved my kit 2 1/2 weeks ago, and he said that he sent the M/O out the day after the kit was sent out. Now i know its only a 100 dollars but still its money that i should have in my pocket.
I do have all e-mails that prove in writing he owes me a hundred dollars, they also say when licked it, sticked it and sent it. but come on, i just sent a subwoofer to NY and it took 4 days on ground, i think an envelope should have been here 2 weeks ago.

Now what do i do, I have been told to have my lawyer contact him (friend of the family, no fees )Or should i go to the police. Sorry guys to bitch and complain i just want to know what i should do.
If you do not feel comfortable saying it over the thread please feel free to e-mail me.
And if Chris decides to come on here and give the whole "i did my part, i sent it out (almost 3 weeks ago) i ask this thread to be closed. Cause its simple, he obvioulsy needed that 100 dollars.

Thanks guys

Josh

the police don't care. You take a risk when it comes to mail.
If you owe me 100 bucks and id ont give it to you..cops wont do anythign because its not illegal.
If this transaction happened through paypal then you could have contacted paypal and told them what happened. They would then contact his credit card company and deal with it accordingly.
Sorry you got punked man.

Josh,

I dont really care if you come on here spamming me. I sent you Money, I sent it the EXACT day the guy came and picked up the body kit. I sent it to EXACT same address you gave my sister when you called her at 6 am in the morning to wake her up. Listen like I said I have done all that I can for you at this point in time. I sent you kit, I sent your money and I did it all in a matter of 2 DAYS! Josh, im not bashing you because you are a good guy, fast payment and great communication, but you have to realize I did not rip you off in any way. I have never done that, Ive had it done to me, just like im sure so many of us have. I dont know what to tell you, all I know is that your money WAS sent and I hope you get it.

If you care to cheack I have had over 60 Positive feedback on e-bay under the name "bauer-6". Josh I assure you I am no theif

Chris

So if it's a money order why don't you cancel it and send another? Maybe Xpresspost this time so you can track it.

Chris if you did sent the money order, you should have the "sender's copy" of that with tracking number" on it. You should able to check whether it is cashed or not... since it's been a couple of weeks after u sent it out already.

If it hasn't been cashed, it's easy. Tell the bank you need to cancel it, and send another one to Josh. DONE!

The only problem is it wasnt not a MO, it was a direct payment. It can't be cancelled it like getting cash directly. Also It wasnt sent regiestered mail because Josh told me not to, because there was no hurry. I also made it out to the company that his father works for, which agian he told me too. I dont know, all I know is that I have paid his 100 dollars and I will not be sending another 100 because then I am out the cash.

Please close this thread, this is a personal matter between us which I HAVE been trying to work out with Josh

Chris

Josh, have you checked with your father's company to ensure someone there didn't cash it without telling you?

Yes i have, it is only the company's name on the envelope rather then putting mine. But it was still sent to my home adress. See he got that adress from me because when we sent the MO to him for the kit we sent it through purolater under my dads companies account. So he still sent it under my dads company name---imperial tabacco limited(ITL) but to my adress in burlington, Not to the main office. Now chris what exact adress did you send it to. And do you havea copy of this payment, because a bank is going to give you a recipt of some sort.
I just want to know where the money is because this is taking a long time for an envelope to arrive in the same country. Christmas time i can see it taking this long on a very bad year!
But lets be serious, you have to understand why i might be a little suspicious.

hahaha and for the record, i didnt mean to call that early in the AM forgot about the time difference!!

Ohh and like i said im not bashing, and the only reason i came on here was to speak up and get some advice, and as you can see all these gentleman on here are trying to help and get to the bottom of this.
And i thank you:
Dominik
Blake
fai
and jeff.


Well hope to get more advice and better yet a check.

josh

I blame the guy that can't speell.

too many thoughts at once, writing too quick and what you get

spelling errors

What exactly is a "direct payment" Chris?

I am familiar with cheques, money orders, cashier's cheques, bank drafts, and direct payments when it involves sending from one bank account to another... but I am not familiar with a mailable direct payment?

Can you explain a bit please?

Thanks,

Andrew thank you.. because i was wondering that myself i am not too sure what that is. And still to date, no sign of the cheaque.

As far as this topic goes im done, like I have said my father and my sister went sent Josh out the money. All my father said is it was a direct payment. Now, Josh if you want to take this up any futher contact me. As for this board im done with it, I will no longer be checking this post. If any of you wish to contact me further about this matter feel free to do so. My e-mail is Isonex@shaw.ca, I will respond as fast as I can and give you as much info as possible. However, like I have said baseball has started and now I have commitments to my team, and with 3 hour practices 5 times a week and road trip on weekends, I no longer have time to play on the boards. So as I have said if any of you wish to contact me feel free to do so.

Chris

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Bob Brown:
<strong> I blame the guy that can't speell. The irony

I new you would just try to up and leave it like you have on numerous accounts.
That is why i posted on here my issues.

So any other advice would be greatly appreciated.
Or do i just go with the fact he fucked me??

Email him directly, as he asked... and copy the emails and replies here, if you want to keep us in the loop.

I bet $10 that he does read this thread again...

He completely avoided my question.
How hard would it have been to call his Dad, and ask how the payment was made.

Answer? Simple. Easy.

If it was my rep. on the line, I'd have called in two seconds.

Actually, if it was my rep. on the line, I would never have let it get this far, for the sake of a few bucks.

This is too bad...

Come on Chris, please... prove me wrong.
The baseball excuse just doesn't fly...

Or, hey, give him your Dad's number, and he can leave you out of the loop, since it would appear that your Dad is the one who had the money last...?

Also, in your first post, you sent the money. Later, your Dad and Sister sent the money.
Which is it?

I think there is something fishy here.....It is like Andrew says....there are SO many ways to pay, but a "direct payment" is "DIRECT" ...it does not go through the mail. If it was mailed, it has to be a money order, cashier's cheque, bank draft, regular cheque, or something like that. In any case, there would be a record of it. Even with a "direct payment" which DOESN'T get mailed, the bank gives you a transaction number which can be traced. The story changing about who mailed it, etc., also seems fishy. Chris, maybe you aren't a thief as you claim....but maybe your dad or sister is??

The only other possibility, Josh, if it WAS a direct payment, is there any chance that nothing was ever mailed but that there is an extra $100. in your dad's business' bank account??

Really hate to see anyone get ripped off!!....and if it isn't a ripoff, how hard can it be, like Andrew says, to ask how it was paid and trace the paperwork??

I've dealt personally with Chris here in Alberta, and he has been nothing short of a cool guy to deal with, mellow, doesn't complain and has given me nothing but smiles on my face.

I don't mean to be biased Josh, but I honestly doubt that he'd be out to scam people of money. He sold me a MINT set of 1G rims with basically brand new V-rated ties for $225cdn. In addition, he has sold a number of parts on the calgdsm site for cheap money, and has extensive external "capital" to fund his Talon project.

For the $100, I think it would have not been worth his time in all honesty if he were to really scam you.

Just my two bits.

Ziggy correct me if im wrong. But a direct payment would mean i could pretty much know when he is going to send it say 3 PM and i could literally stand there and watch it go into my account??
Jason- im glad you put in your two cents... I agree he was a great guy to work with and everything you said about him was correct. BUT... Look at the big picture, like were is my money? What is a "direct payment" And how come he wont answer half the questions? and how come he just up and left the thread if he did not scam??
These are all the questions going through my head. Sure a 100 dollars is nothing but, come on its money i could have used to pay off my 4000dollar loan. See what im saying. but again i do agree with you about chris but again look at this a little more closely.

josh

josh, yes, a direct payment would be ALMOST like that, but usually I believe they are processed overnight. If he paid at his bank before say 4:00 pm or so, it should show up in your account in the morning. Any chance that happened to either yours or your dad's account? It is a strange thread, he doesn't seem like a scammer, yet he won't answer simple questions and the fact is you are still short a hundred bucks!!

Nope there was no money added to any account of mine or my parents. And i even checked that account yesterday and i still have 0 funds in that one!! (all my money is in another one!!)
BUT...... this all makes no sense now because ziggy, he said "his dad mailed it to my adress." Therefore proving that this "direct deposit" makes no sense.

Josh, I feel really bad for you!! It seems like he might be an ok guy, but fact remains you were ripped off! It almost sounds like his father or sister is the thief!!!

Well i have one more plan that few members told me about. So i think i might try that.

just don't do anything illegal

Ohhh i live too far from him to kill him ... But i use to live 20 minuits from him and i grew up in the down town calgary, so i have people !!!!
Nah not illegal at all, but very mature and my last chance of seing my money.

Okay, so first time since Ive checked this site since my last post. I must say Ziggy you are the most immature, know it all ive ever met. You honestly think my father or even sister for that matter would scam 100 dollars!?!?!?! Listen as I have said I do not need that money, it was never mine in the first place. Josh I think you'd better check with your dad and see if he hasn't cashed some money because I sent it, and after looking at canadapost.com it says you have recived your package.....Now listen this has gone far enough, Josh if you want to try to get your "boys" or girls on me go ahead because I got lotsa friends that like to fight and would help me with that anytime. To me I think that is taking a cowardly way out. You havent called me once since I sent out the kit. You even wrote to me in an e-mail that it was cool and we were to drop this. You know its funny because when that package was delivered you wrote that e-mail to me not to long after.

And Jason, thanks for being there bud, you know as well as everyone else I have way to much to do then deal with this crap. Like I've said I have sold MANY things and never had a complaint. People for our own board are here to vouch for me, and they are right, I do sell things for VERY little, half the reason is because if I dont need it and other people do way not help them out? I mean sure its great to make money but I also look out for my fellow DSMer's and most important my friends.

So like I said Josh if ou want to resolve this call me or do something, just dont sit on this board and bash me for no reason. And as for you Ziggy, you dont know my family or me so please dont sit there like you know something, when the fact is you dont know sh!t! And another Zigg, if you met my father, just for that comment you would not be living anymore. So I strongly sugest to you that you STFU and mind your own sh!t and stop being a Homo.

As for the direct deposit sh!t, well that was a mistake on my behalf. What I actually ended up getting was just a simple Payment from the post office made out to "Imperal Tobacco" now I do have evedence to prove this once I get it scanned e-mail me and I will more then greafully show you.

Anyways thats my 0.02$ like I said I probably wont be checking this board anytime soon because of ball, so if you have anything please contact my through e-mail.

Chris

Well chris thought you would come back.

Considering i just lost $100 i think i have handled this very good.

Also there is no bashing on my behalf, i am on here for advice, i have recieved alot of PM's to see what could be done about this.

Chris look at the big picture and my position, now you send me this proof of yours so that i can take that and trace the mail.
Now give me ALL the details you sent.
What i mean is.

You said you sent it to ITL
Now what was the Adress that you sent it to, because that may have been the big mistake here. And if some how you sent it to the main office then obviously it would have been recieved BUT my dad would have got the mail because if you were smart you would have put his name on it "wade stevenson"
So how bout you give me some detils here. And send this proof of yours. I need to know were you sent it to and if you even put mine or my fathers name on it.

Thank you

I do think that we may have this resolved soon if you would like to finally answer my questions.
Again thank you

Watch the name calling.

(I can't believe people have to resort to childish tactics like name calling when dealing with situations like this.)

It won't be tolerated here.

Steve i totally agree, thats why i have kept my mouth shut and tried to be as patient and co-operative as i can.

Looks like we owe Andrew $10

Chris, for what it is worth I am NOT immature, and probably older, definitely bigger, and certainly not afraid of your father. You admitted that this "direct payment" business was a "mistake" on your part, which is just a nice way of saying what it really was....bullshit!!
All anyone ever asked for was for you to:
a. tell the truth
b. take the trouble to get some details from your father about how and where this payment was sent. I am sorry you felt the "mature" way to handle this was to lie and bullshit! As for not knowing your family, you are absolutely right. Everything I posted on this board was based ENTIRELY on the bullshit you were posting here!

frack off dork

also mature

I hate when people throw out comments like this. Yes your dad is big and scary, and yes threats over the net from half way across the country are scary too :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

What was the point of that?

Thanks, Jon. My first impression was that there were basically good people on this board....I was starting to wonder....thanks for the confirmation.

Where did this come from? What is it accomplishing? Josh is trying to get this resolved and he's going at it very well. Don't get this thread closed because you leave these kinds of comments.

Noah, you are right. I should stay out of this, but I admire Josh's patience!!

Jon, it's pointless and everybody knows that Amin is a fracking post slut. She has the extreme need to reply whether it make sense or not.

Thanks guys im trying to go go about this in the most mature way, but it sucks knowing there are guys out there who scew people around.
And after this i still have none of my questions answered.

That was my point too.
Josh is trying to resolve an issue. There is no need for stirring sh!t up. Josh himself has shown maturity and kept a good cap on name calling or anything like that. But once every two posts there comes the point about size of Chris's Dad. now some third party claims that he is bigger than the daddy and therefore he can solve the problem. Now is that relevant or productive?!

calling two other characters who are by no means involved
"sounds like his father or sister is the thief"
is indeed a goodwill action that needs praise of the club.

Chris should have not brought that topic up at all, but it was part of his arguement.

I think my point is a bit more clear. Sorry if I was irrationally harsh

yeah amin, ziggy isnt just saying that his sister and farther are theifs because he feels like it, he actually thinks they might be, it is his opinion, whether one person finds it far fetched some might agree. But we will keep this civilized and everything like you want as well amin, because this is a great thread which proves to everyone...BUYER BEWARE

Its simple, you cant trust many people out there

Amin,

At least this post makes a little sense, unlike your last one!!

For the record, I never said anything like I am bigger than your dad and can solve this problem.
I was only responding to Chris' comments that I was immature and that for my comments his father would have killed me. I was only advising that I am probably older than his father, definitely bigger than his father, and not afraid of his father....all truths. Maybe my nose didn't belong in this, but I felt sorry for Josh...he is a nice guy, and he is out $100. Chris said he was no longer responding to this thread, and I figured calling his sister and father thieves would for sure get him to respond....and it did! Also, I don't see how you can say the father and sister are by no means involved. According to Chris himself, they were the last people to see Josh's money. The whole problem here is that Chris has taken the lazy and immature route and just kept changing his bullshit story, instead of just one time taking the trouble to get the REAL FACTS and get this resolved!!

Just another note......I have a tough time accepting this "no time because of baseball excuse"....according to the records my computer shows, Chris was reading this thread a half hour ago....

Well ziggy i e-mailed him personally and nicely and am in the process of TRYING to get all the info from the "Money Order" that he "sent" or his father and sister "sent"
However i am still waiting for a response.
Hopefully my e-mailing him would remind him he has to get that info to me, considering your records show he can visit DSM but not e-mail me??

"apparently to ITL at 151 north shore Blvd west Burlington not.

by the way, I asked Chris if he's received your email again tonight, and he still has not received anything from you.

Not to make excuses, but I have heard from other people in the city that their @shaw email accounts have had delivery problems, that may be why he hasn't got one from you yet.

Check with receiving it was Canada post item number cx 024 081 656
signed for about the 13th of may.

That is the e-mail from Chris's dad.

Now---- The name on the envelope was ITL
NOT --Josh stevenson, but the adress is my house were i live, therefore it should be here because the name on the envelope is my farthers company name rather then "josh Stevenson" So it should be at my house
correct??

Josh, at least you now have a Canada Post item number. You should be able to have this traced!

thats correct. So i guess i will check it out tomarrow and see what the deal is. But again doesnt it seem a little weird?? It should have come to my adress??

sometimes things get lost in transit...that is why they have tracking numbers....and if it was lost, they will issue a replacement...that is why people buy money orders...it is a safe way to send money!

Hope your correct ziggy!!

Any news yet?

And, I have taken care of Amin.

Not on topic, but I don't feel that I should open a new thread for it:

I consider Amin a friend and a very knowledgable member. He's helped me enough that I wouldn't be where I am right now without him.

Care to share why he is now "unregistered"?

Sorry if I wasn't clear:

"frack off dork"

No smiley, no explanation.
Just plain rude.
That crosses the line.

Sorry to drag this on, but did you read his follow-up explanation and apology?

Have read it again.

Sorry, my reaction was "irrationally harsh".

Isn't that the line?

Yeah, ok, Amin, sorry man... you pushed my button on a day that was already in the dumper. Please re-apply and I'll put things back the way they were.

I just get so soooooooo sick and tired of all the useless posts, and then this one just offended me to no end.

This place is in dire need of a good NABR-ization.

Well Its been quite sometime since I have checked this post. I must say I not recived an e-mail from Josh in sometime now. I have sent Josh all info and have even offered pic's of the recepts for the money and have gotten nothing in return. Im not sure what most of you think, but as far as I know this is a closed thread. I have supplied all information regaurding me sending Josh his money ect, if you need further confirmation please e-mail me, I will be gald to show you all scans and paper work for our transaction.

Now I have no hard feeling on this matter as I said I believe it is done. Please everyone who has read this read know I DID NOT Ripp anyone off and I am a totaly legit person. I would like to say thank you to all my fellow DSMer's in my local club for stickin up for me, and for anyone who knows me, knows what I am all about. I will have no hard feeling towards any of you, or fellow DSMer's, please lets move on and take it by day.

Reguards,

Chris

Sorry guys took a little vacation to Niagra could not keep you informed of our little situation.

1) still no e-mail of the photocopied "MO" that cgris "sent"

2) i recieved an e-mail from a "guy" by the name of sean reese. This "guy" gave me a tracking number that did not work, the operator said this number does not have a package to it. So i then began to get a little suspicious, like if they are trying to stall me. So i wrote back and asked who i thought was his father, and he said i am not chris's dad???? Well then i replied back, who are you then?
No answer back.

3)So i decided that this is all too easy to figure out
i got fucked. Its simple.
he wont send me a photo copy of all the paper work .
-his buisy schedule seems to be effecting this deal
-He is too buisy to check the board but he isnt to check his e-mail.
-He has some no namer e-mailing me and wont tell me who he is
-and the tracking number did not even match
-The envelope was sent directly to my house with my HOME address. Why isnt it here then.
- The name on the envelope does not mean anything, you could put a nick name on there for the name but as long as it has your address it will come to what ever address is on the envelope.

You see what i have to work with, and see how this story is way to suspicious?
That is my reason for giving up. So Chris have fun with the hundred dollars because i obviously know i am getting nothing out of you.

I have been told my nose doesn't belong in this, but since everyone else is entitle to voice their opinions, I suppose I should be able to also.

This situation sucks!! You have one guy, supposedly honest, lots of guys standing up for him, but his reputation has been damaged. You have another guy, supposedly innocent, but he is out $100. This is lose-lose.....these transactions are supposed to be win-win.....

Josh raised a couple more questions...apparently the tracking number he was given isn't valid. Perhaps it was for the package with the actual goods that changed hands? Perhaps that tracking number was wiped out so long after the package was delivered? Apparently this money order was sent separately and later. Who is Sean Rees? Who sent the money? Are the documents Chris has about the package for the goods, or for the money? And instead of making them available to the whole world in an effort to save a reputation, how about just taking a few minutes and making the necessary information available to Josh and getting this settled.....Then Chris would have his reputation intact and unquestioned, and Josh would have his $100......win-win....the way it SHOULD be!!

You know what i have had it with this situation.
And ziggy when you say "You have another guy, supposedly innocent, but he is out $100. " ??????
I am the innocent one. I'm out $100 dollars. So i almost want to say its a win loose situation, cause as of right now and the lack of info the chris has given me and the false info the unknown guy has given me, he wins with a 100 bucks and i loose with -100 bucks.
So this really just isnt going to happen now is it Chris, its getting stupid now, and this thread even started little verbal fights.

Oh and chris i am not out to kill your rep, im here to warn people that they too may be in my position and be out money if dealing with you. And the worse thing is that i thought you would have proved me wrong by now, because this is like going on 1 1/2 months.

I raised alot of good points, which i might add i have not revieved the answers to. Nor any of the paper work i asked for.

Josh

Well Josh, what I say..apperently you e-mailed me...and I never recived it. So I then got my cusin to e-mail you for me since I couldnt ahold of you. I said FOUR TIMES, if anyone wants the scans to e-mail me. You have done none of that, I haven't heard from you in over 3 weeks....Josh like ive said time and time agian, ive done my part, I sent you your money done deal.

Chris

That's it I'm tired of this sh!t.

1) still no e-mail of the photocopied "MO" that cgris "sent"

that's probably because he still hasn't recieved an email from you, or a phone call.


2) i recieved an e-mail from a "guy" by the name of sean reese. This "guy" gave me a tracking number that did not work, the operator said this number does not have a package to it. So i then began to get a little suspicious, like if they are trying to stall me. So i wrote back and asked who i thought was his father, and he said i am not chris's dad???? Well then i replied back, who are you then?
No answer back.

The "guy" was me, SHANE (not fracking Sean )and by the way there's no 'e' on the end of the last name either.

I gave you the tracking number, now that it's been over a month Canada Post clears both the tracking number and signatures from there records, ask them, that's why I told you it was delivered on May 13.

Yes you wrote back, after I sent you an email telling you that I was not Chris's dad, asking me who I was, I told you I know Chris, and if any body would like me to post my email's to/from Josh let me know I've got all of them. You the sent me a reply of:

"Comment: Dont get in buisness if your not part of it"

WTF is that, you don't seem to mind when people are bashing Chris, but when somebody is trying to help both of you out, you pull that sh!t?

Was I supposed to reply back to you after that?
Did you send Ziggy an email like that?


I'm not done, see the next post

3)So i decided that this is all too easy to figure out
i got fucked. Its simple.


Actually if you listen to Chris's side of the story, knowing Chris, it sound's like your trying like hell to frack him.


he wont send me a photo copy of all the paper work .

Again, you still haven't emailed him, or called him, you have both his email address, and phone number, fingers broken?


-his buisy schedule seems to be effecting this deal

Apparently you don't understand what it's like to play competative sports, don't comment on it then.


-He is too buisy to check the board but he isnt to check his e-mail.
-He has some no namer e-mailing me and wont tell me who he is

I told you who I was, I also told you to ask the club members both here and on the Calgary board who I was if you had a problem with not knowing my rep. or who I was, and you didn't do either.


-and the tracking number did not even match

didn't match what?


-The envelope was sent directly to my house with my HOME address. Why isnt it here then.
- The name on the envelope does not mean anything, you could put a nick name on there for the name but as long as it has your address it will come to what ever address is on the envelope.

Well, If it was sent to your house directly, Chris has the scan from Canada post's website saying it was delievered, maybe you should check your house. See now why it looks like your trying to frack Chris?

again see my next post

So if this works here is the scan of the tracking from Canda Post's web site.

Perhaps it was for the package with the actual goods that changed hands? Perhaps that tracking number was wiped out so long after the package was delivered? Apparently this money order was sent separately and later.

No this is not the tracking number for the body kit, it was sent about a month earlier, if it's possible, check the for sale on this board back into march/april.

again after 30days (1month) Canada post clears their records ( ask them if in doubt)

so yes the M/O was sent seperate from the body kit.

I still find it funny that Josh sent Chris an email, telling him not to worry about the $100 near the end of may, and then turns around and starts pulling this kinda crap?

Doesn't that sound kinda funny? Want me to post that email also?

Ok... first i never told chris not to worry about it. what i said was not to worry, dont rush, you dont need to send it express, just stick it and lick it then send it.

Second who might you be, i havnt figured that out yet... Excuse me if this is rude for saying but are you Chris with a different account.

Next... The main question is were is the MO? is there a possiblility you messed up on the adress.
Look at my position, I mean i have a right to be suspicious.

Also you should have recieved a copy that says were it was mailed to. incase you might have put 161 north shore instead of 151???

!!! WOW !!!Looks like Ziggy is a private investigator with all the quetions and insight & such, chris's rep is fuct, and Josh got punked! As the world turns boys, these are the days of our lives!Josh i feel bad for you, chris you too!
Shane your possibly the most pissed off newbie i've seen, all for 100 bones!! Josh my 2 cents is suck it up and don't deal with the dood anymore!!or fly to calgary, rent a car and drive 20 minutes north to airdrie and try to whip his ass!

Only if i could afford it, i think im about 100 dollars short to do that
Hey Jeff dont you forget how many times have i said pretty much that i give up and frack it. Enough times, i mean look up at the other posts. I'd love to see you get punked off, cause you wouldnt be too happy.

And yeah Ziggy does want to know everything, and i have kept him up to date!

Ok... first i never told chris not to worry about it. what i said was not to worry, dont rush, you dont need to send it express, just stick it and lick it then send it.


hmm, I might interpt this wrong along with just about everybody else here but what does the last sentence read?

Hey Jeff,

Sorry to everybody who does not know me here, I've been around for a few years, but never signed up, various reasons, mainly b/s like this. I see how it looks that I'm a pissed off nube, it takes a big push to put me this far.

It pisses me off when somebody is allowed to thrash on somebody, all the while being full of sh!t, Josh has Chris's home phone number, his email, and say's he's tried to contact Chris, yet nobody in Chris's house has heard from him. Then I try to help both of them settle this and Josh goes off on me, and then starts lieing saying that I never emailed him back. When in reality world, I did, I told him what he wanted, told him to ask other people who I was ( which he still hasn't, yet still questions if I'm Chris ) and then sends me an email basically telling me to butt the hell out.

yes i said lets forget about the whole being pist off and NOT go our seperate ways, because his previous e-mail said lets just go our seperate ways. It DOES NOT say anything about dont worry about the money order, just take your time, but i didnt think that would be 1 1/2 months.

AND again who are you???? i know your chris with a differnt user name, where is chris? so i guess chris has the time to talk to you to do his dirty buisness but cant have time to say it himself?

Also you should have recieved a copy that says were it was mailed to. incase you might have put 161 north shore instead of 151???


ever sent a registered letter Josh?
Canada post does not give you a copy of where it's sent, just a tracking number.

Have you Checked at ITL yet to see if Canada post redirected there? How bout at 161 north shore?

If you wouldn't have been such a punk to me, I'd have probably sent ya the cash myself, because I am that type of person. I hate seeing people get screwed, but I also completely trust Chris, I know he sent the money, now Canada trust on the other hand I wouldn't put it past them to screw up. All you've done with your emails/posts to me/about me is make me distrust you.

AND again who are you???? i know your chris with a differnt user name, where is chris?


frack are you really that thick?
Check out the Calgary phone book if you'd like, I'm in there, give me a shout so I can yell at ya over the phone

All i can say now sean is look at my position... ok fine you shown me all the records, but no MO?? Should i be suspicious? YES.

Ok again who are you?
See you are just as bad as chris at answering questions??

And if i were nicer you would have sent me the money?? Hmmmmm come on now, you must have very and i mean very close ties with chris if you were going to do that

Ohh and sean sorry i missed one of your posts.
Yes i wanted you to butt out! Why??? maybe because this is between me and chris.
And he is too buisy to e-mail me and to check the boared, so he will be way to buisy to talk as well. so i guess thats why you are here.

See chris i mean sean, u just made the situation 100X worse. so congradulations. Let chris deal with his own buisness.
I also said this matter is over, you both can have the money, who ever you are, and have fun.
I have done nothing but the right things here, i have done all the advice everyone has told me to do, and i have not gone crying to someone to bail me out like chris.


This matter is done

This thread is fucked up...and I don't see any end in sight.

If either of the main characters in this story cares to close this off...please email admin@ca.dsm.org with the details.

Funny thing is, Chris has made another post for a UIC pipe that he is selling.

If he did screw you or not, his reputation on this board is still fucked up and no body in their right mind that have read this post will buy anything from him....so he might as well delete that UIC pipe post in the clasified section.

So its a loss for both of you guys.

Shawn

This is still all a big pile of B.S.

Shane, I took your advice and checked dates. Chris posted these body kits for sale on May 5. The receipt you posted was for a package shipped May 8th. So, in 3 days, (co-incidentally the length of time Josh said it took till Chris shipped the goods),the original package had been shipped, received half way across the country, it was decided $100. was owing, and the money was shipped....a money order by parcel post....right.....and I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn.....

That record was OBVIOUSLY for the original goods sent! Secondly, why the hell would a money order have been sent as a package? Especially after Josh said it was no big rush? Why wouldn't you just stick it in an envelope and mail it? I ship a LOT of stuff, and it makes NO sense to send a Money Order as a package! Finally, how about posting a copy of the receipt portion of the money order??? THAT could be traced, and, if it hasn't been cashed, then it could be replaced...Josh could get his $100. and Chris could salvage most of his reputation.......
or are you guys going to continue to just B.S.?

This would have been so much easier if the questions i asked were answered at the start, and still to this day they arent.
DO NOT close tis thread yet. I thank ziggy, but i want what ziggy asked for to be showed and answered because ziggy knows a hell of alot mor about this stuff then i do..

PLEASE just answer the questions, post what is asked of you, and yes stop the BS... this is rediculous.

Just stop the bull, stop playing games and just get me what ziggy brought up and have this over so i can bring your name back up to par Chris.

Please and thankyou, i mean that lets just end this

JOSH

Ziggy, I know you think you know everything on this earth, but you sure as hell do not. When sending ANYTHING "express" mail it is automaticly insured by Canada Post. Thats why it is considered a package, you get the same coverage and same type of tracking number as you would reciving any package.

And as for my UIC I could give a sh!t less who looks at it or anything of that matter. If you people choice to belive this retard and he know it all friend when all eveidence has been shown, that is your own loss.

Chris

Relax Chris your not helping yourself.
how about instead of flipping out you answer the QUESTIONS ASKED!!!!!!!!

What do i have to do to make you answer them???
this is crazy enough with the games, lets get this stupid sh!t over with. Come on Chris just be the bigger man here and get your rep back, you are a good guy now show everyone that.

Funny thing is, that a while back Chris Rees said it was sent by regular mail, since Josh was not in a hurry.....so here you are showing the paperwork for the original package, and trying to pass it off as the money order....and still no copy of the actual money order....the bullshit is getting so deep here it is time to get out of rubber boots and into hip waders....and not sure how much longer I can stand this stink!!

I see were you going with this ziggy!!
This is why i would never be a lawyer

Chris/Shane/Rees Family - If you can provide a scanned copy of the Money Order receipt, I will publically clear your name for you.

Is this possible?

If so, please click the email link at the top of my message here, and email it directly to me.

Thanks...

If not, this thread will have to remain closed, as it stands now... and no one looks very good.

Ok, well I've had a few opinions come in by email today about this topic, and I am about to draw a conclusion, just so that anyone else who reads this might learn something.

Based on everything I have seen, I'd say there were faults on both sides.

The single largest problem, is that the paper trail is lacking.

I posted once about issuing puchase orders and invoices to people for buying/selling products, and I know I got a few laughs out there from you guys, but I stand by that.


Here's a quote I got in that summs it all up not too badly:
"I don't think either are lying. I think it got send unregistered and was lost, or was sent registered and signed for by someone else, (or sent unregistered to the wrong address), or somehow bypassing Josh, at his home or dad's business. At worst, it's gone - at best, Josh did get it but somehow was never made aware of the fact. Personally, I think it's gone."

That is the bottom line, it's gone.

How would a paper trail have helped this?

Well, it would have established a few facts up front, that would then have never become a point of contention.

A purchase order establishes in writing:
- item being bought, down to the last detail
- shipping method
- who is responsible for shipping costs
- who is responsible for duties and taxes (if applicable)
- where the responsibility changes hands (often refered to as the FOB point) - ie: if it's FOB at my house, then it's not my problem until I sign for it at my front door.
- insurance for shipment
- PAYMENT terms
- PAYMENT amount
- refund/return terms
- shipping address
- mailing address (for billing or refund purposes)
- etc, etc, etc.
And the list goes on...

But, I think if we all read back, we can see where a bit more paperwork would either have left Josh with a place to fight from, or left Chris with a leg to stand on.

Or, left both completely happy, and we never would have heard of any of this.

Follow?

Lastly, and this one is directed squarely at Chris... take care of your own business, and don't EVER throw out the back half of a money order. It's the only thing that makes it better than sending cash.
Without keeping the receipt, you have mailed cash, and that is irresponsible.

In all cases, people should also take MUCH BETTER care of their own deals. To leave such things in the hands of Dad/Sister/Mom/Brother/Dad's Business, etc, is just looking for trouble.
If you had the time to put something up for sale, or invest the time in buying... be prepared to close out all details of the sale (and I mean ALL POSSIBLE DETAILS) on your own.

Example: I only just got around to selling a Pro-M MAF on eBay, that I had sitting in the garage for over 3 years... because I didn't have the free time that it needed to do the job right.

Anyhow, enough said... and hopefully everyone learns a bit from this.
And no, I am not preaching because I am some godlike perfect being, but simply because I've now seen this happen enough times on here, to pick up a thing or two.