New Clutch is slipping again...
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December 20, 2005 02:27 am UTC
December 20, 2005 02:27 am UTC
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Jonathan Arseneau
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Hi, my old clutch was slipping last summer, so I replaced it with a Spec Clutch rated to 375 foot pounds of torque. While changing the clutch, I noticed that there was a lot of oil on the old clutch, probably why it was slipping, so I change all the seals around, trans seals, transfercase seals, main bearing seals, input and output seals, etc.
Now, I'm probably running in the same problem, since my clutch is pretty new, not even 2000 km on it! I think I've found the problem, but I'm not certain. Could this be possible that a small leak at the cam angle sensor, will actually drip into the transmission case, and make my clutch slip?
Cause the case is not sealed tight to the engine. If that's the problem, I will replace the cam O-Ring, but now, how do I remove that oil on the clutch, without removing the trans? This is too much of a pain to disassemble the trans to only remove that oil film...
90 Talon TSI AWD - 14B ported Turbo/2g ported manifold/2g ported O2/3" Full exhaust,Magnaflow Cat and Muffler/2.5" UICP with GM MAF+MAFT/Greddy Type-S BOV/SPEC Stage II Clutch/MBC
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Re: New Clutch is slipping again...
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December 20, 2005 03:34 am UTC
December 20, 2005 03:34 am UTC
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If you have too much freeplay, that can cause slipping as well. Check that out.
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Re: New Clutch is slipping again...
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December 20, 2005 11:45 am UTC
December 20, 2005 11:45 am UTC
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Jonathan Arseneau
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Yes, the flywheel was machined back to specs, and my clutch was working fine for a few months. If I can get the trans separated just a little bit, I might be able to spray some stuff to clean it. Would Brake cleaner do the Job?
Not only from the cam the oil was leaking at that time, I also had a small breather filter, but now, I have relocated the breather. I can see some oil on the hood insulation.
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Re: New Clutch is slipping again...
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December 20, 2005 04:11 pm UTC
December 20, 2005 04:11 pm UTC
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Ghislain Goudreau
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My bet is that you need to adjust the Clutch height and freeplay.
It "might" help. Try that first before to tear anything apart.
Other posibility would be thet the Slave or Master Cylinder is "kaput".
Crawl under the car and have someone to push in the Clutch for you while you look at the Slave Cylinder.
Hope this helps.
Ghislain.
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Re: New Clutch is slipping again...
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December 21, 2005 12:20 am UTC
December 21, 2005 12:20 am UTC
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Chris Clark
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If the disk is wet with oil, you ca nnot clean it, it will have to be replaced.
1990 TSi AWD - Parked since I bought it (Jan24/03) Had it out one day, and busted the trans.
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Re: New Clutch is slipping again...
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December 21, 2005 05:45 am UTC
December 21, 2005 05:45 am UTC
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In my old car the tranny input seal was shot and once I made a sharp corner the oil leaked into the clutch and then it started slipping.
It did it for a while until it burnt off.
I am guessing the oil would burn off to a certain degree. Chris is right that it will never be back to normal but if the **** heats up good it some oil could burn.
I have a rough time relating a xcase leak to clutch housing.
By in any case it was the input shaft.
And in your case, it is likely that the input shaft bearing is shot, did you check it? even if you changed the seal, if the bearing is shot it is onlyt matter of time(months,weeks) before the new seal would start to leak.
Excess of oil in that area, in my opinion, could be only from tranny input seal or the rear engine seal. Valve cover is unlikely to leak down there to that point. unless you tranny is not tight.
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Re: New Clutch is slipping again...
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December 21, 2005 12:02 pm UTC
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Jonathan Arseneau
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Thanks for all the info guys. That's right, I send the trans to a mechanics, and he's really good in those transmission, so he replaced the seals, but never told me about a bearing that was shot, so I just assume that the rest was good.
So, to check that bearing, I will have to take out the transmission again. I just can't believe that I will have to take that out for the third time, it's just a pain.
I also realised that I had my car at CT last week-end, for spraying Corrosion Free under the car, could that gel got in the transmission? Because it's slipping since then, or it's just a coincidence...
90 Talon TSI AWD - 14B ported Turbo/2g ported manifold/2g ported O2/3" Full exhaust,Magnaflow Cat and Muffler/2.5" UICP with GM MAF+MAFT/Greddy Type-S BOV/SPEC Stage II Clutch/MBC
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Re: New Clutch is slipping again...
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December 22, 2005 06:52 pm UTC
December 22, 2005 06:52 pm UTC
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Just get under your car and see if theres the under coating stuff on your trannie, espcially around the inspection cover area, but they shouldent be spraying in that area anyways, if they did take it back to them and tell them they sprayed it on there and your clutch is slipping.
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Re: New Clutch is slipping again...
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December 23, 2005 07:43 pm UTC
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Ryan Laliberte
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Originally posted by Ghislain Goudreau: Other posibility would be thet the Slave or Master Cylinder is "kaput". "Kaput", spoken like a true frenchman, asti!
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Re: New Clutch is slipping again...
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December 23, 2005 09:17 pm UTC
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Ghislain Goudreau
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Osti mais oui.
Check the Pedal travel/adjustment and the Slave Cylinder travel before you pull that Tranny out.
You never know if might be something simple.
Ghislain.
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Re: New Clutch is slipping again...
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December 23, 2005 11:23 pm UTC
December 23, 2005 11:23 pm UTC
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Jonathan Arseneau
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The flywheel was resurface at a height of 0.610", as described in the VFAQ. Also, I've always had a problem with my old stock clutch, with disengaging, so I've allready replaced the slave and master cylinder. And to make sure to fix that with my new clutch, I've also replace the pivot and ball, and add a washer on the ball. Now the clutch disengage nearly half way of the pedal travel, and that seams fine to me.
There is not much of adjustments in a hydraulic clutch system. Talking of master or slave cylinder "kaput", well it will give me a disengaging problem, not slipping.
Anyway, I will check them to make sure. Is there any small hole, where I can look in, to see if there is oil on the flywheel? The only one I'm thinking, it's where the starter is connected, but there is no way to look in that hole.
90 Talon TSI AWD - 14B ported Turbo/2g ported manifold/2g ported O2/3" Full exhaust,Magnaflow Cat and Muffler/2.5" UICP with GM MAF+MAFT/Greddy Type-S BOV/SPEC Stage II Clutch/MBC
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