I worked on them a few hours each night all week. There comin along nicely. Iam trying to get the first sets off to the first guys that bought in. These flanges arent easy to make. Cut off wheel, hole saw, drill and a tap. taking longer than everything else but the ball is rolling fast now. I should have some shipping sooner than you think. I'll keep you posted. Going to work on them again tomorrow during the day. The lowers are done. Just finishing the uppers and the 3" intakes.

No worries guys, Lee will get you your stuff and maintain good contact with you throughout the process. It just takes a while.

I waited 4 weeks for the silicone couplers I ordered off him and was furious as well it was taking so long, but in the end got exactly what I wanted and I am happy with the product

Just to let you know.

Also, Lee, I wish you had those Street Imports FMIC pipes for sale when I got my FMIC....good price!

:rolleyes: Common man, gimme a break. What have you been doing all this time from when the money was given out till now? Look at the start date of this thread. Ya, we've spoken Lee, and ya, you "seem" like a good guy, but try putting yourself in my or my buddies shoes here. How would you feel?

I would appreaciate an ACCURATE ETA. None of this "Im just doing this" and "Im doing that", bottom line, my buddy wants his pipes or his money back.

What exactly is left to do on these? A few weeks ago, when the pipe was finished except for the couplers, I was willing to take it partially complete and buy my own couplers. I may still take one partially complete and either finish it myself or pay someone to. I just need an honest answer about what EXACTLY is done so far, so I know what I am up against.

The end of summer is approaching and I really want to finish my talon projects before the days get shorter and colder.

I should have a few sets off next week. The uppers and loweres are now DONE. Rob, the whole time ive been,
-Ordering pipe
-Ordering couplers {took forever}
-Trying to get my X-boss to bend them {not easy}
-Picking up pipe from hours away {when having a day job}
-Finally getting them bent
-Buying a chop saw to cut them to size.
-Rewplacing blades every 3 pipes becasue they wear out
-Buying a die grinder
-Buying air compressor
-Got fired
-Moved out
-My welder guy has 4 kids and 2 jobs so now Iam doing them myself.
All the first buyers sets will be done next week. I'll post whos ship on here. When they ship.

For future cuts, check http://www.kbctools.com they aren't the cheapest but their catalogue is really good and they ship fast. You can get chop saw discs there that are thin, reinforced and made specifically for stainless. I got one for around $6 that hasn't started to wear yet and I have made tonnes of stainless and aluminum cuts on tubing and on solid bar. Cuts take about 5 seconds and stay cool vs. over a minute with a crappy tire disc that is spraying me with glowing hot metal the whole time.

If it isn't too late, you can ship mine uncut if you want. I actually wouldn't mind at all since I may have to shift things around for my supra SMIC.

Can you weld? I can send you a cut one with the flanges. Can send it Monday if that what you want.

I can cut and shape but unfortunately I don't have a welder. So I guess don't send an unwelded one on Monday. If it is going to be a lot longer though then I will pay someone to weld it. What is the ETA? then I can decide if I want to pay the extra for an unwelded one.

Is it possible to send me one of the "uppers and loweres are now DONE" ones on Monday?

You know, I can feel for your situation Lee, but at the same time, WHY SHOULD WE GIVE A RATS ASS? You have had ages to get this ball rolling. I think I speak for everyone involved when I say we were under the impression all your pipe/bender/coupler connections were already a go.

Listen, my friend is about to ring my neck to get your phone #, he has wanted his money back for a long time now. I cant stall any longer, ive been trying to because I had faith in you from our conversations. Summers half over, his car is modded with lots of nice stuff but he has sh!tty stock pipes cause I told him to buy yours. So Im making my feelings public here to try to put some spark in your progress. Nothing personal, just buisness.

Another thing that kinda gets under my skin right now is that your offering to do all these FMIC piping kits and you have yet to ship one set of the pipes offered in this thread. I think it would be best if you bared down and got those out first before offering any other services which I hope to GOD would never take this fakin long to finish. I am sure I am not the only one who feels this way. I'm usually not a vocal person, and beleive me, this message was tamed with some carefull editing. He's pissed, I'm pissed.

Bottom line, if you cant afford an imediate refund, which he really really really wants right now, I sugest a shipment of pipes this week. I can give you his # if you like for you to persoally tell him your situation. I dont want this to turn into a good guy/bad guy thread, but you need to haul some serious ass man. This is Ludachris, no matter what your personal reasons are!! (which you didnt explain or update us with all this time)

Sigh"..... :rolleyes: I hate posting this, beleive me.

This is not the way to conduct business.

I would have hoped that after that CF hood fiasco with Kieth that:

1) Sellers would attempt to sell things AFTER they have them made. Yes its a risk, but if you are not confident that you have a good procuct that will sell on its own merits, you shouldnt be making it in the first place.

2) Buyers would learn to not fork over their hard earned money for a promise. If somebody cant ship a product out to you the day after they get your money, STAY AWAY.

Double post.

Paul, Iam glad you care but you didnt buy anything so why are you postingZ???? Dont dream dude. Its not healthy. Home depot DSM's are a current laffin' stock BTW. That ABS pipe does nothing for flow. That home made boost controller is a joke that will eventuslly pop your motor and "free mods" help!! crankwalk. Good things come to people that wait. Your not one of them. BTW I dont know keith and honestly I wouldnt trust any internet guy farther than I could throw him. Thats just me...The guy that delivers.

That immature post officially puts an end to the grace period. No more being patient. Pipes, money, or authorities are your options.

Bring it on. Did you forget that Iam paying more than a 1/3rd out of my pocket for your "friend" and everyone else?? All the other members seem to realize this and just want the pipes done right. then theres guys like you.....Yea Iam the immature one.

Hey Lee, what i cant understand is how you go around posting ridiculous group buys (fmic piping, intakes) and brag about being "the best in canada" when you cant even deliver your product to people who have waited ages. It makes me sick to see these stupid group buys where everyone trusts the seller because they make all these BS promises. Its posts like this that ruin the goodwill of real people organizing real group buys. Lee, your the joke.

:rolleyes:

I got an Idea, lets go have a DSM Meet on his front lawn this Sunday ? Pipes or Money what do you Say.

(I have nothing to do with this GB nor would I ever buy from this kid)

I told you so.

Anyone who has paid for pipes that would like a refund and would like to provide info for the authorities, please e-mail me and we will get this sorted out.

Thank you

You guys are a joke. I almost have the pipes done and now I get this crap. Hey, if you want your pipes your getting them, if you want to bank with robs court case...LMMFAO go hang with him and his imaginary friends. No refunds either. you'll get what you paid for and thats that....amd iam more than happy to have a meet on my lawn this weekend. lets set it up. Its 401 to 400 north then take 11 to Huntsville take the 3rd exit on HWY 60 drive to Oxtongue lake and I'll meet all of you and we can settle this.

This is just incoherent. Where to start?

You say that ABS pipes do nothing for flow, and home made boost controllers will pop my engine. Good things come to people who wait, and Im not one of them? Thats funny, because when I ordered my Dejon pipes and Joe P MBC, I didnt have to wait, and they are both quality products. Can you say the same to your customers?

As somebody who sells things all the time, I dont have to have bought anything from you to be outraged by terrible service.

Hey Lee, why dont you tell everyone what you did with all the money? Drinks arent cheap...

Yea, I drank there pipes. ANYWAY...there pipes are sitting in our shop and I work on them everyday during the week. I know everyone wants them. Thats the motivation for me. And ive explained a million times why its taking so long and iam not going to bother anymore. ...yo, again, why are you guys posting when you didnt even buy anything??? If your wife pissed or something? Get a life.

Hey Paul, what did you pay for the Dejon pipes? all 3. 1000 bucks? Mine outflow them and I charged 300. again. Why are you posting?? Seriously man?? Why.

As of right now, the pipes I ordered from you and paid you for, aren't flowing anything. Why is that? Because I don't have them. Why don't you take a break from the ubb and get the pipes done so everyone's happy?

Lee,

I have tried to be patient with you through this. After:

1. driving out to meet you and being stood up,
2. being repeatedly lied to (there are enough examples in this post and my PM's of "they are finished,....they are not...I can't be bothered cutting and pasting)
3. having my plans screwed up for a long time

It is getting increasingly difficult to stay patient as this drags on. There is now a #4 to add to my list. That is the fact that according to your excuses, your situation makes pipe making as difficult as shaving a tree down to a toothpick using a butterknife. Meanwhile in other threads, you are busy making other pipes and are selling more piping to other people. This is with the time and tools that you aren't supposed to have. To sum up my #4 problem, it seems as though the people who have already paid their money get a much much much lower priority than people who still have money to give. That is bad.

I just hope these things arrive soon and this can all be cleared up.

The Easy way this will be dealt with in the future is all Group buy's set up through this board will be a 30 day period. If the product isn't avalible and to be delivered within 30 day's don't post it here.

Lee if you want to save any kind of face here I'd get those pipes out right now... not next week not in a couple days... stay at the shop until they are done and send them out.

Lee,
Can you explain why in the above post in April you advertised a 2-3 week delivery date and on this date in July the pipe's are not delivered.
Also in the beggining of the post you advertised that all the flanges etc were going to be outsourced and "laser cut" now you are using the excuse they are taking longer due to you having to cut the flanges with a die grinder and a hole saw?
Is that not kinda not delivering the product advertised.
And in case you are considering telling me to butt out of this discussion and mind my own business, well considering where you put this post it is my business.

This will all be cleared up shortly.

I haven't been at all involved in this, but it pisses me off also...as you guys all know, I distribute for Slowboy, and often I take a customer's money and for one reason or another can't deliver right away....Slowboy is out of stock or whatever....Thing is, I always try to keep up good communications and I don't bull**** anyone, but when this kind of crap goes on, it makes people trust me less too!! It is EASY to GO into business....to STAY in business you had better get your act together!!

I haven't been at all involved in this, but it pisses me off also...as you guys all know, I distribute for Slowboy, and often I take a customer's money and for one reason or another can't deliver right away....Slowboy is out of stock or whatever....Thing is, I always try to keep up good communications and I don't bull**** anyone, but when this kind of crap goes on, it makes people trust me less too!! It is EASY to GO into business....to STAY in business you had better get your act together!!

I hear you Ziggy, but retail and manufacturing are 2 completely different things. Today I faxed down the diagrams for the BOV and Throttle body flanges to be laser cut. 5.00 dollars each by 40. They'll be done and sent back in a short time as I explained my predicament. This may seem like its taking longer but in reality it isnt. Besides mine has the custom ones and their only 1/4 plate and had to use washers and leaks were inevitable. Thats all i'd need once everyone got them and id rather avoid that. I figure 3-4 days and the units will be shipping. I also picked up 10 3" intake pipes today and will weld on the 3"-2.25" steppers and recircs {for those that ordered..} tomorrow. Ofcoarse I will never do a group buy deposit deal ever again. And I was unaware untill 2 days ago about the carbon fibre hood fiasco. So I see where this is coming from.
Again, Ive kept good contact with everyone. I didnt lie to anybody I WAS lied to. This deal involved me and 5 other businesses that seemed to be in no hurry as an order for this size {small by manufacturer standards} is a low-nill profit margin for them.

I am primarily a manufacturer, but I also wholesale some of my products, as well as retail product I import, so I think I know what I am talking about....

In ANY of the cases it is most important to be honest with your customers. You say you haven't lied to anyone....I guess I am mistaken because I thought I had read stuff like "they are done now, just looking for boxes", and similar stuff.

Since I am obviously mistaken, I will butt out now, but I just hope this experience doesn't sour customers to the point where they also don't trust those of us who DO deliver what we promise!!

Lee generally I think you are a good guy who just got in too deep. As I posted before re Ziggy manufacturing and selling parts is not easy. It takes skill equipment, investment, management and people skills. Seeing this buy was looking a bit disorganized I posted the above back in April so everyone was aware of what was going on.

If you got in too deep and things were getting complicated or too expensive then you needed to cry Uncle and stop the buy. Guys I cant do it at this price, this fast yadda yadda and give people a choice of how they want to handle it from there. You finish the pieces you had in process and or refund cash and cut your losses. There have been too many bad buys and most are from poor planning and lack of info.

I still need a set so if you show up at a meet with a complete package I will hand over the cash.

Jerry, your right, I admit it was harder than first anticipated and Iam in a little deep but I have the product and its coming along. This isnt the only thing I have going on either. When I first thought it up its was "there just pipes, thats easy and cheap" Well, not cheap and not easy. Actually the lowers and intakes are really easy but the upper with all the flanges and hit or miss trimming is. The bender scrapped 4 uppers and I had to fight with him to replace them at his cost. Alot of crap went on that costed alot of time. The couplers and transitions are super over kill for these that MIGHT see 20 psi on a good day yet I bought premium silicone thats good for 80+psi because I wanted this to be the best for you guys. The t-bolts even clamp down to 150psi. Those alone were near 2 grand {that was all the money} Iam not backing out, iam not backing down and iam not crying mercy and asking for more money from you people. I'll do what I said I'll do its just taking some time. Plan is you'll get the best I.C pipes ever and my name will rejoice. thats all i wanted and thats all I ask.
Thanks.

I can't beleive this $hit is STILL going on. And to think, I was ready to hand over $400 for the sheetmetal intake manifold he was going to get made. When something seems too good to be true, it usually is. I have friends that went in on this deal, and this kind of thing really pisses me off. Be a man of your word. Another thing, you can stop with that tuff-guy crap, cause you'd **** yourself if we really did come down to 740 N.M.L. , you know where that is

Fix your strings. Puppet.

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Lee when the pipes are done PM me and I will unlock the post so that you can inform the people involved when they are ready to be delivered.
If anyone else has an issue with this PM me. This post has gone to a Flame fest/Name calling battle, the time spent calling name's/flaming could be used elsewhere.

Anyone DIRECTLY involved with this group buy, should see This Thread .

Not sure if it helps yow guys, but I received these pies from "Lee" on Friday.