Help with logs (way too much knock)
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June 08, 2004 04:52 pm UTC
June 08, 2004 04:52 pm UTC
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KEVIN KIRELUK
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I'll start out with my mods, TD05h w/custom compressor wheel (comparable in size to a 16g), 1G mas(screw backed out , no HC), ported 2G ex mani, 3" downpipe and cat, 2.5" back from cat, Kinetic fmic, walbro 255lp, hks s-afr, mbc, 450's (for now), turbosmart BOV. That all I can think of at the moment. Before the meet I zero'd out the s-afr, lowered the boost to about 12-13psi and I also put in $20 of sunoco 94(always use 94) to try to get rid of the knock. Heres a log of a 2nd and 3rd gear pull, I ran out of room in the top of 3rd so I couldn't run it to redline (not sure if i wanted to with the knock counts I was getting).
RPM - Knock - Timing - O2 - P/W - TPS
4200 - 43 - 0 - .94v - 16.667 - 100 4500 - 42 - 0 - .94v - 17.179 - 100 4600 - 41 - 0 - .94v - 16.154 - 100 4750 - 41 - 1 - .94v - 15.897 - 100 4937 - 41 - 2 - .92v - 15.385 - 100 5125 - 40 - 4 - .92v - 14.615 - 100 5375 - 39 - 7 - .92v - 13.590 - 100 5500 - 39 - 10 - .92v - 13.333 - 100 5687 - 40 - 10 - .92v - 12.821 - 100 5750 - 39 - 11 - .92v - 12.308 - 100 5906 - 39 - 11 - .92v - 12.308 - 100 6031 - 38 - 10 - .92v - 12.051 - 100 6187 - 38 - 11 - .92v - 11.026 - 100 6312 - 43 - 10 - .92v - 10.769 - 100 SHIFT 4343 - 28 - 4 - .94v - 17.179 - 100 4468 - 28 - 3 - .94v - 17.949 - 100 4687 - 27 - 6 - .92v - 15.897 - 100 4750 - 26 - 7 - .92v - 15.641 - 100 4937 - 28 - 9 - .92v - 15.128 - 100 5125 - 31 - 9 - .92v - 14.359 - 100 5281 - 43 - 8 - .92v - 13.590 - 100 5312 - 43 - 8 - .92v - 13.333 - 100 5406 - 43 - 10 - .92v - 13.077 - 100 5562 - 43 - 10 - .92v - 12.821 - 100 5656 - 42 - 10 - .92v - 12.821 - 100 5718 - 42 - 11 - .90v - 12.564 - 100 5781 - 41 - 11 - .90v - 12.564 - 100 LET OFF Any help, advice, or insight will be much appreciated. Thanks
TPG+Meth You can't tune out mechanical problems!!!
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Re: Help with logs (way too much knock)
#174447
June 09, 2004 06:19 pm UTC
June 09, 2004 06:19 pm UTC
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Posts: 625 Cambridge, ON
Tommy Priest
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There was word on here once before I remember reading that shot front lower control arm bushings could cause phantom knock. The arms have some play and tap which the knock sensor picks up.
My bushings are bad and I have knock. I'm fixing them shortly so I'll post if it does clear up the knock.
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Re: Help with logs (way too much knock)
#174448
June 09, 2004 08:58 pm UTC
June 09, 2004 08:58 pm UTC
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Mark PPG Scheitzbach
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That IPW is a bit on the low side up high for me. I know the boost is low but still. You see at the lower RPMs how you have "less" knock and the IPW is higher, then as RPM's climb the IPW goes lower, and the knock goes up. I would think you are still lean (even though your 02 is high) I would say, leave the boost low (~12psi) and richen up the AFR and see if it gest better or worse. I would also check and reset the base timing as I've seen that mess with knock and timing like a MOFO (actually, I would do this one first!)
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Re: Help with logs (way too much knock)
#174449
June 09, 2004 09:12 pm UTC
June 09, 2004 09:12 pm UTC
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Rob Strelecki
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Originally posted by Mark PPG Scheitzbach: That IPW is a bit on the low side up high for me. According to this: http://www.taboospeedshop.com/IPW2IDC.htm 12ms IPW @ 6000 RPM = 60% Injector Duty Cycle Please correct me if I'm wrong because I need to understand this as well, but isn't that an acceptable IDC? //EDIT Ok now I get it. He's not over working his injectors - to the contrary, he is not working his injectors enough! I was stuck on the fact that a really high IPW is bad, not realizing that a low one is just as bad if not worse Sorry for the confusion... Carry on
1993 Eagle Talon TSi FWD 13.8 @ 106 :::: 14.1 @ 117
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Re: Help with logs (way too much knock)
#174452
June 10, 2004 10:02 pm UTC
June 10, 2004 10:02 pm UTC
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Steve Kinnaird
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It's totally possible to be running too rich at idle/cruise and too lean at WOT. (Especially if you've got an SAFC/AFR).
As RPM increases, the amount of time the injector can possibly be open decreases.
A proper IPW line should look like a curve (at WOT). Starting out lower, raising, then dropping again.
Now, I'll have all kinds of time to talk about DSMs, because I won't be busy fixing mine!
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Re: Help with logs (way too much knock)
#174455
June 18, 2004 05:02 am UTC
June 18, 2004 05:02 am UTC
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John Hartman
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How long have you been running this current config? I ask because you are really rich right now. I ran like that for a while, because it was fastest like that, with my setup at that time. But guess what? I started knocking, a little at first, but then it got real bad. Turns out running rich for a long time will carbon up the combustion chambers badly, and, at least in my case, the hot spots from the carbon deposits cause alot of knock. I know its real combustion knock as when I ran race gas it went away completely. If it was a loose bolt or lifters etc, it would still knock no matter what the gas. I've cleaned the hell out of the combustion chambers as best I can, and I have been running it alot leaner lately, .88 is the richest and about .86 average. It has been getting better lately too, but I am going to use water injection to really clean the chambers and control detonation even better. This should keep the chambers clean forever, and allow much leaner mixtures and more boost. Its a win/win/win. Might not be your problem at all, but if I can help, good.
91 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 5spd 91 Eagle 2000 GTX AWD 5spd
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