Black Smoke under Boost
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June 29, 2004 08:30 pm UTC
June 29, 2004 08:30 pm UTC
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Jonathan Arseneau
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My friend was driving his car and following me, and he told me that everytime I'm pushing my Talon, that there were lot of smoke getting out of the exhaust. So we exchange car, and I saw a lot of black smoke out of the exhaust. Here is my setup:
- Stock Injectors - 14B turbo, at 15 PSI with MBC - Stock ECU - Pressure test the intake, and there is no leak, cause I fix everything, changed the throttle body shaft seals, JB weld the intercooler inlet and outlet, changed the fuel injector insulator, etc. - New sparksplugs, wires, O2 sensor - MAF is not hacked, I only remove the round yellow filter
Is there a way I can tune the fuel delivery. I've heard people on this board playing with a screw on the MAF, is that my solution?
I also noticed people that are concerned about a small leak, but never heard about people being concerned about the little air leak done by the bleeder valve on the ball & spring MBC.
90 Talon TSI AWD - 14B ported Turbo/2g ported manifold/2g ported O2/3" Full exhaust,Magnaflow Cat and Muffler/2.5" UICP with GM MAF+MAFT/Greddy Type-S BOV/SPEC Stage II Clutch/MBC
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Re: Black Smoke under Boost
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June 29, 2004 08:53 pm UTC
June 29, 2004 08:53 pm UTC
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Black smoke = running rich Blue smoke = burning oil
Do a comp test anyways, 140-164psi is healthy, 120-139 the the motor is worn, anything below and it needs rebuild. If you see ****ty compression do a leak down test to determine where compression is escaping.
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Re: Black Smoke under Boost
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June 29, 2004 10:29 pm UTC
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Jonathan Arseneau
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Allready did a compression test, and it's 160 through all cylinders. The blow-by shouldn't get in the intake, since I plugged a small breather filter, and also one at the purge solenoid. I know that I have probably a small leak of oil from the turbo, since I've seen a small thin film in the intake manifold, when I changed the shaft seals, but it's not enough...and also, I'm not seing blue smoke at all, it's really black smoke.
90 Talon TSI AWD - 14B ported Turbo/2g ported manifold/2g ported O2/3" Full exhaust,Magnaflow Cat and Muffler/2.5" UICP with GM MAF+MAFT/Greddy Type-S BOV/SPEC Stage II Clutch/MBC
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Re: Black Smoke under Boost
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July 03, 2004 05:14 am UTC
July 03, 2004 05:14 am UTC
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John Hartman
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our cars run really rich stock. They will do that.
do your basic maintainance, clean your intercooler out, check for boost leaks, check/repair any ignition problems.
It will probably still do this. You can do a bit of maf work, and solve it. You should run a logger to see exactly what you are doing, but it it will be ok if you just do some small things.
Back out the screw, take out the lower honeycomb, cut the airbox up a bit.
That should lean things out a bit.
91 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 5spd 91 Eagle 2000 GTX AWD 5spd
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Re: Black Smoke under Boost
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July 03, 2004 10:04 pm UTC
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Nigel Smith
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John, yes technically that should lean thigns out somewhat, but what fi the leak is after the maf somewhere, ex. intercooler pipe, or tb, in maifold etc. All that is going to do is make the smoke even more prominent, since the maf is reading more air, therefore compensating with even more fuel.
Past 1992 Tsi AWD 1992 Tsi 14.30@100 Stock w/ MAF-T 1992 Tsi AWD 13.03@105 1.71 60' 1991 Tsi AWD
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Re: Black Smoke under Boost
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July 03, 2004 11:12 pm UTC
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Sean Milloy
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My buddy had lots of smoke from his exhaust when his turbo seals went on his old 14B.
Also, if you have an intake leak after the MAF woulden't you be running leaner rather then rich since your getting extra air into the engine?
92 6/4bolt 12.1@114MPH 1.647 60'
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Re: Black Smoke under Boost
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July 04, 2004 11:20 pm UTC
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Jonathan Arseneau
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You guys are talking about an intake leak, but like I said in my first post, I allready pressure tested the intake for leak, and I'm telling you, there is no leak at 20PSI. Well, I believe that it should be my turbo seals, but I would believe that the smoke should be blue instead of black...
90 Talon TSI AWD - 14B ported Turbo/2g ported manifold/2g ported O2/3" Full exhaust,Magnaflow Cat and Muffler/2.5" UICP with GM MAF+MAFT/Greddy Type-S BOV/SPEC Stage II Clutch/MBC
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