My new big brakes
#181948
January 17, 2004 07:48 pm UTC
January 17, 2004 07:48 pm UTC
|
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 2,787 Pickering, ON
Nick Boers
OP
Insane Member
|
OP
Insane Member
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 2,787
Pickering, ON
|
4 piston brembos, 12" rotor, 1-1/16" master cylinder. Pedal is solid as a rock. These monoblocks must not flex at ALL. Haven't worked them hard yet, i want the pads to bed in first. So far, seems really nice.
|
|
|
Re: My new big brakes
#181949
January 17, 2004 08:24 pm UTC
January 17, 2004 08:24 pm UTC
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 342 Ingersoll
Tom George
Member
|
Member
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 342
Ingersoll
|
Nick, that’s REAL Pretty. Looks good!
'97 Black TSi AWD
|
|
|
Re: My new big brakes
#181952
January 18, 2004 03:48 am UTC
January 18, 2004 03:48 am UTC
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 408 Edmonton
Danny Mak
Member
|
Member
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 408
Edmonton
|
Originally posted by Brent Low: Where from? How much? Direct fit for your 1g? What size wheels do you need? Sorry for all the questions, but I need brakes and I'm exploring all my options. Thanks. i also have the same questions!!
|
|
|
Re: My new big brakes
#181953
January 18, 2004 05:11 am UTC
January 18, 2004 05:11 am UTC
|
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 874 Toronto
Wesley Burke
Member
|
Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 874
Toronto
|
a) A place where you get used car parts? A wrecker? b) If you have to ask... it's too much. c) If you want them, see above. Nick's a handy guy... Otherwise listen to Darko. d) Steel 16's with a spacer, factory alloys, I don't think do. All in all... If you have a machine shop, get to work, otherwise start thinking about cutting Nick a cheque. Hope Nick doesn't mind me jumping in here. I was in the car today with him but as he said he hadn't really tried them out yet.
2006 Jetta 1999 Ultra 150 18' Baja
|
|
|
Re: My new big brakes
#181954
January 18, 2004 06:19 am UTC
January 18, 2004 06:19 am UTC
|
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 2,787 Pickering, ON
Nick Boers
OP
Insane Member
|
OP
Insane Member
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 2,787
Pickering, ON
|
The calipers are used. They were about $400 for the pair.
I'll have to check, but i can probably make the brackets and adapter rings for the rotors for about $250.
16" Steelies on there now. I needed a little bit of a spacer to keep them from scraping the paint off the claipers. My 17" Avenger rims clear fine. It's the spoke clearance, not the radial clearance. These calipers stick out about 2.5" from the rotor face.
I'll check how a factory 16 fits tomorrow, lol.
So far, they're seating nicely, i'll beat on them in a couple days to see what they can do.
|
|
|
Re: My new big brakes
#181957
January 18, 2004 08:15 pm UTC
January 18, 2004 08:15 pm UTC
|
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 2,787 Pickering, ON
Nick Boers
OP
Insane Member
|
OP
Insane Member
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 2,787
Pickering, ON
|
I got the back wheels VERY light ith my last brake setup. These shouldn't have any more power, but i like them because they're a fixed caliper, and they're much more rigid. They look cool too I've got a 12" rotor for the back, i just have to work out the mounting bracket for it. Rob, are they a newer, dual piston vette brake? They'll work nice. It's very similar to what i had on there before. BTW, a stock 16" fits, but it'll need a 1/2" spacer behind the wheel.
|
|
|
Re: My new big brakes
#181959
January 18, 2004 10:36 pm UTC
January 18, 2004 10:36 pm UTC
|
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 2,787 Pickering, ON
Nick Boers
OP
Insane Member
|
OP
Insane Member
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 2,787
Pickering, ON
|
97 would be the nice dual piston PBRs i think. Good stuff, like what i just took off. Material choice depends on the geometry. If you can make it really beefy, aluminum is fine. If it's gotta be thin, then go with a GOOD steel, or titanium. I almost got some 6al-4v titanium for doing the first brackets, but got outbid on ebay, lol. The Porsche calipers are mounted with some 6x2x1.5" aluminum brackets. The other calipers were held on by a 1/2" thick plate, which i made from 4140 tool steel. Stainless isn't that strong as far as steel goes. Get a 4140 or similar steel. What are you using for rotors? Use GOOD bolts, and a tight clearance hole, and you're fine. That's what the factory does afterall. I was going 12.1mm for a 12mm bolt. I used 12.9 SHCS
|
|
|
Re: My new big brakes
#181961
January 19, 2004 05:41 am UTC
January 19, 2004 05:41 am UTC
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,449 Toronto/LA
Steve Marton
Member
|
Member
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,449
Toronto/LA
|
What do you consider when selecting the master cylinder? I assume any of the dsm masters are interchangeable?
Black 91 TSI FWD
"DSM: Making mechanics out of normal people since 1989"
|
|
|
Re: My new big brakes
#181963
January 19, 2004 05:53 am UTC
January 19, 2004 05:53 am UTC
|
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 2,787 Pickering, ON
Nick Boers
OP
Insane Member
|
OP
Insane Member
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 2,787
Pickering, ON
|
The larger the cross section of the caliper pistons, the more travel is required from the master to get the same travel from the calipers. In theory the pistons shouldnt really move, but just apply more pressure, so the pedal shouldn't even move. In reality, there is flex in the calipers, and the lines. Caliper flex is different betwene calipers, and when they flex, the pistons do move. I should have realized that the brembos were going to be very stiff calipers, and a 1" MC from an ABS DSM would have worked, instead of hacking in the 17/16" one. Oh well, it's all good
|
|
|
Re: My new big brakes
#181967
January 19, 2004 06:56 pm UTC
January 19, 2004 06:56 pm UTC
|
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 348 Toronto
Kapak Leung
Member
|
Member
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 348
Toronto
|
Awesome work Nick. What brake pads do you use? Are those Porsche / Brembo rotors as well? With these callipers, pad change is only a 5 minutes job. Be prepare for a body shell / chassis separation when you get serious with the middle paddle. Kapak
Proudly The Original Owner 91 Talon TSi AWD Departing From Stock Since I Know You Guys
|
|
|
Re: My new big brakes
#181968
January 19, 2004 07:18 pm UTC
January 19, 2004 07:18 pm UTC
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 631 Scarborough, ON
Chris Krawczyk
Member
|
Member
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 631
Scarborough, ON
|
Just curious, how do you balance the braking power between front and back?
1990 Eagle Talon, TSI AWD - SOLD 2002 Mazda Pro 5
|
|
|
Re: My new big brakes
#181969
January 19, 2004 07:39 pm UTC
January 19, 2004 07:39 pm UTC
|
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 2,787 Pickering, ON
Nick Boers
OP
Insane Member
|
OP
Insane Member
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 2,787
Pickering, ON
|
That's right, you know all about pad changes with those calipers don't you? I've got the Porsche/Brembo pads in there. They had lots of meat left, so i just used them as is. The rotors are not Porsche. It's very difficult to tell how the brakes are biased on an AWD car with a limited slip center diff. Besides, the more front brake you get, the lighter you can get the back end, and the less you can even use rear brakes anyways. I'll find out when i getthe summer tires back on just how well it's balanced. I'll put in a proportioning valve if i have to, but i doubt i will.
|
|
|
|
|