Brake upgrades
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June 01, 2006 05:22 pm UTC
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Hey guys. Does anyone want to give me thier 2 cents on front brake upgrade options?
I am thinking about the $1000 kits like Baer and Wilwood that include calipers, rotors and pads.
But for $700 US more there's the StopTech kit. I am not willing to consider anything beyond that price range at all.
I drive my car on the street 8 months a year putting on 3,000 kms or so a year. I drag race only a few times a year.
But now I want to start a little road coarse racing as well. I will probably do this only once maybe twice a year though.
Will the Wilwood or Baer package be enough? Or do I really need to step up to the StopTech.
Or is even a good rotor and pad upgrade good enough to have some fun at a road coarse once a year?
Also there is the 13" Mustang Cobra Brembo upgrade I've seen. Where does this one fit in performance wise? Better then the Wilwood or Baer but not as good as the StopTech? Does anyone know how to source these calipers fairly cheaply?
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Re: Brake upgrades
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June 01, 2006 06:20 pm UTC
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Well perhaps just a rotor upgrade with decent pads will do. I'm going to be racing some damn fast cars at the track so I know I'll be pushing the car pretty good . So let's hear some thoughts on: 1)Larger rotors with decent pads and SS lines 2)Wilwood/Baer/Cobra caliper/rotor/pad kit 3)StopTech kit (probably overkill) I'm leaning towards a Nick Boers Cobra kit. He was suppose to make one for me but I never heard back . So if anyone knows where to source the calipers cheap let me know (I'm not an Ebay guy... but I looked on Ebay and they aren't cheap).
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Re: Brake upgrades
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June 01, 2006 07:35 pm UTC
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Front brakes upgraded to Mustang GT ('94-'04) dual piston calipers (PBR), and 300M rotors (stock, 11.7"). They're mounted with an adapter bracket and a hub-centric ring. The calipers accept the 2G banjo fittings. 17" rims are likely the minimum. It did not cost much more than $400, all said and done. These are an obscene improvement over stock DSM brakes. I could not even imagine the Cobra kit!
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Re: Brake upgrades
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June 01, 2006 08:20 pm UTC
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Hook me up Nick. Are you going to Yorkdale Sunday? If so I might just have to make the journey.
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Re: Brake upgrades
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June 01, 2006 10:57 pm UTC
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Dave Dziarmaga
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Go with the cobra calipers Mike, you wont regret it.
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Re: Brake upgrades
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June 02, 2006 03:14 am UTC
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Daren Peacock
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Mike, might be abit to late, but I have to say the Wilwood Dynapro setup that I'm running works amazing. Seatbelts defently come into play on hard stops . I got the complete setup from Todd at TCE, which ran me $900 US total (12.2" 2 piece slotted & directionally vented rotors, 4 piston calipers,SS lines & polymatrix Q pads) as I upgraded the rotor that came in the kit. They have amazing customer service and can make a kit to fit all your needs.
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Re: Brake upgrades
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June 02, 2006 01:20 pm UTC
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Daren, did the rotor hats fit or did you have to grind them out a bit on a lathe to get it to fit flush? The Wilwoods use to have this problem anyway, not sure if they ever fixed it.
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Re: Brake upgrades
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June 02, 2006 02:08 pm UTC
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Not that it matters for Mike, with 3000km per year but do those wilwoods have dust seals on the pistons? I know many wilwoods don't. The BAER setup that looks like the cobras does so because it's the same caliper and rotor (they even say ford on them). The Cobras, the Wilwoods and the Brembos i'm running will all put the seatbelts to serious work. The brakes will easily outrun the speedometer to 0 Pedal feel on the Cobras is good and stiff. The GT's feel somewhat squishy. The brembos are solid like a rock, the pedal barely moves. Braking force is controlled by pedal presure, not travel. It makes for consistent "hell-toe" downshifting because the pedal is always in the same place no matter how hard you're braking. The 16" wheels i had for the winter were steel 5-spokes. They LOOKED like an aluminum wheel till you got close. I recall the guy at steelcase (wehre i got them) saying they used them for all the IS300s that the dealer sent over for snows. They cleared the GT brakes and the Brembos i have now. I don't think they will clear the Cobras though.
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Re: Brake upgrades
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June 02, 2006 02:37 pm UTC
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Originally posted by Nick Boers: Not that it matters for Mike, with 3000km per year but do those wilwoods have dust seals on the pistons? I know many wilwoods don't.
Most of the Wilwood calipers don't come with rubber boots but yes the dynapro calipers that I have are boosted. You can get them booted or unbooted with SS pistons, for more of a track setup. With that said, I'm not sure the unbooted calipers are much of an issue. Out of all the unbooted kits that TCE has sold, they said they have only had about 2 that failed and this was after many years of use, in winter/salt conditions as well.
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Re: Brake upgrades
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June 28, 2006 12:54 pm UTC
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I've got Cobra parts on order. I'm going to try and find a good performance pad. I am leaning towards Porterfield R4-S pads.
Anyone know where to pick up some DOT approved SS lines?
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Re: Brake upgrades
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June 30, 2006 12:50 am UTC
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I got them from a local jobber in town here. He's family so I got his cost. Calipers and rotors came to about $400 after tax. You can get the calieprs for $225 US or so in the states but then there's the exchange and you need shipping and maybe border charges etc. So I might have save $20 that way but I'd rather just pick stuff up. I ordered the Hawk HP Plus pads from a local performance shop and they might be in by tomorrow. I am getting a full set of SS lines off Ziggy and the brackets and rings off Nick on Sunday. These damn rotors are huge (13.1") . I just can't see how this setup is going to clear my 17" rims. Motul 600 the recommended fluid? I'll put pics up of the install.
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Re: Brake upgrades
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June 30, 2006 01:49 am UTC
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Dave Dziarmaga
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These things barely clear my avenger rims.
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Re: Brake upgrades
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June 30, 2006 02:55 pm UTC
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I have Konig Sub Zeros. Guess I'll find out after I install one. I have a 5 point harness for the track .
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Re: Brake upgrades
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July 02, 2006 10:23 pm UTC
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Unfortunately Nick was out of the centering rings for the rotors.
Does anyone know where to get these or have the ability to make them?
Nick can you share what specs you know for them?
I need this setup installed in less then 3 weeks now. This is the only peice missing.
Thanks.
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Re: Brake upgrades
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July 04, 2006 08:47 pm UTC
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Let's see if I understand what this ring is correctly. It is a metal ring of the same or similar thickness as the rotor where it mates to the hub. It sits on the hub and the inside of the ring sit snug against the part of the hub that sticks out and the stock rotor hole fits against. The ring fills the gap between this surface and where the larger Cobra rotor hole is.
This would keep the rotor centered and fixed. Otherwise there would be some slop (very bad) and stress on the studs.
So if this is the case the ring should be made of a durable metal (suggestions), a very simple ring shape with no other features (holes etc) and be of the same thickness of the rotor or a little less?
Pretty much a hub centric ring for the rotor to the hub as oppossed to the wheel to the hub.
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Re: Brake upgrades
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July 04, 2006 11:02 pm UTC
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Ziggy Dietrich
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Ok, sounds like you have an OD and an ID, sounds like aluminum is good enough, and they don't need any holes in them. Now get me a thickness and I should be able to make you a set....
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Re: Brake upgrades
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July 05, 2006 02:13 am UTC
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Nick, let me know what sort of tolerances, and how thick, and how many you would want....
These would be a very THIN walled ring according to those sizes. 2.638ID, 2.800 OD. = .081 wall. Does that sound right to you??
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