I once insisted Marco put the cork gasket I bought when they put my brand new stock oil pan on much to his disapproval. 'I always just RTV it' he says. I watched Mike torque the bolts in fairly hard around the pan. Unfortunately the cork gasket gave a lot and this caused the oil pan to crack in several places and leak. Had to drive back to TO and listen to Marco curse my name for 20 minutes as he delicately welded up all the little cracks. The oil pan went back on with just RTV and never leaked again.

I remember buying a gasket set for 1g and it did not have an oil pan gasket in there, that's why ai asked.
I also remember pulling the oil pan off, and there was no sign of gasket either.

Now, in regards to the CEL, when it goes off and the car dies, are you still able to stay connected with your laptop and log other data, or does it just break the connection off?
If it stops logging than I would be fairly certain that there is something messed up with your ECU.

I used all top line gaskets and didn't have a single issues with them. The reason your basing your negative opinion on their gasket set is because you failed to read up to find that your not suppose to use a gasket at all, just rtv. Just because it comes with one doesn't mean you have to use it, the factory never did.

I just want to add that I went through quite a few badly socketed ECUs, and each time I had a different experience.
I did have a similar one with one ECU, where the car would drive fine for some time, and than it would just quit. After sitting there for a while it would start up again and sometimes run for a while and sometimes quit again.
My current ECU is fine as long as it's not extremly hot outside, and I have its cover off. Otherwise it works perfectly fine.

It did seem to not be communicating with the ecu. Again pointing to an ecu problem and the chip not seated might have been it.

As for mits not using a gasket think they sell one nowadays. And topline made a gasket for the oilpan so why shouldn't it work? No idea why it doesn't. I have inch pound torque wrench things were done to factory spec.I put the pan gasket on dry. No instructions came with my gaskets that I saw.I put them all on dry.
I am not sure have no other leaks under the front cover or whatever hope not. I still wish would have spend the extra for oem gaskets.

Course my new mits oem therm could have cost me a motor! and had two oem balancers fall apart in my cars at random mileage. Oem is not god either.

But man could see a little seaping maybe out the pan gasket but this is like almost no gasket is even in there.Its bad losing a quarter every couple days.

At least it a pretty easy fix.

Allan, just make sure you clean the surfaces really well before you put on the RTV. I wet a rag with rubbing alcohol and wipe down the mating surfaces to make sure there is no oil residue that will keep the RTV from sealing. A quick shot with some fine emery cloth doesn't hurt either. One thing about my DSMs, I never had a leaky motor going this route.

Yep that sounds like my problem pretty exactly.
But assume a loose chip could also cause similar problems.

Ok will clean it but it was totally clean when did put it on there. Engine was just redone cleaned pan with brake fluid. Will do it for sure again this time. Wonder if have to wait 24 hours with ultra grey that might be a problem if get it done at shop I might take it to. How long do you have to let the rtv set and do you set it
on the pan or bolted together?
Should I spend big money on mits or toyota rtv?

oops meant brake cleaner not fluid.

Update on apexi gt system.Its finally on the car. Full gt system with downpipe and catback.
I ran car with passive silencer tonite. It is very very quiet around town. No cop gave it a second glance. It also like I remember on my 50 trim kills spool and power! Passive is only good for trips as far as I am concerned.

I will take out silencer tommorrow until active silencer shows up in a few weeks. Apexis new active silencers which work in other makes of mufflers as well give best of both worlds.They open on wot and under throttle and close for cruise and idle. Just like new z06 vette.

Great invention. Overally the apexi gt fit well.I did have n1 catback and downpipe on my
92 talon.

I was a bit worried might need a cat or resonator but the apexi has two resonators already and as said with silencers should be fine on the highway.

The apexi also looks very intimidating love the way its angled and you can see the big stainless 3 inch pipe pretty easily from behind as not dropping my car do to our dreadful roads.
Thats fine..looks serious I think.

Two big thumbs up for the gt system.

Wow just wow!! I took out that crappy passive silencer and car picked up what seems like 100hp. Its stronger low ,mid and top and spools much faster.Just great all around.Its a bit too loud I think so glad the active silencer is on order.
Here is pic of it..pretty cool piece made by apexi.

what does that passive silencer run at, in terms of price?

The passive silencers are pretty cheap like 20 bucks US I think.The active silencer is like 130US.
I put the passive silencer back in tonite and the car still goes not that bad I guess.
I was setting off car alarms and neighbors decided to put in a complaint just cause was revving my car a bit this afternoon in my driveway.There house is right next door and they are Gerry Springer inbred types!!
Thats ok they have dogs so now will call everytime I hear them bark even slightly past 10pm to 7am. And they bark all the damn time. I believe in live and let live but they are bothering me.

To tell the truth the apexi downpipe and catback is too darn loud. I am hoping the active is good enough otherwise will cut the downpipe or get rre downpipe and install a bullet muffler.I put this muffler called a flo pro twister race bullet in my 96z28. It really helps sound level but still flows perfect at wot.
I am not sure if you need to use stainless rod to install in stainless pipe or would it rust with normal welding rods.I am not much into welding.

Ok finally got 500 mile break in down mostly for the clutches benefit.

I can now go wot and try a few launches.
Serious tuning will now begin with goal to try to run 20 or so psi on pump gas, 92 or 91 octane is best can get here.

The 92 is gasohol. Figure this should be plenty for around town for this season. Another guy with similar mods and a smaller 2.3 engine got around 410 whp at 21psi on pump.Thats around 500 at the engine and I have a bit more aggressive cams and a 2.4.

Next year plans are to get a tre or shep trans, dss axles and run water/alco injection and try for maybe 25 on pump and do some track runs at 30psi or whatever. Under 11.5 cage is required at our local track of course its NHRA track.
Be nice to get a 10 second run and then get kicked but will see what happens.

Maybe the car should get to the track before making wild assumptions?

C'mon, Darin. Don't you know any monkey can throw a bunch of parts together, toooon it to perfection, then crack 10s all day long?

I just said it will go to the track next year after it gets trans and axles. Don't see why should risk breaking the stock trans and axles this year. Trannys are not that easy to find around here.And flatbedding the car home from track over 2 hrs away don't sound like fun.

And if you don't think the car will hit 10s , and never said low 10s.. would be happy with high 10s, then you better get on the big boards and do some research. There have been many many cars with same turbo and not even a 2.4 in the 10s.

I am no stranger to the race track or fast cars.

Proof will be a timeslip.

If you don't run 10's, all of this will have been a waste IMO...
I mean you could have just TT the 99TAWS6, and ran easy 10s daily...

Whats the waste if the 97 don't run a 10? Its a 99% street car. That it could run a 10 is enough as far as I am concerned.

And yes the twin turbo trans am could very easily run 10s all day long and not likely break 1/10 as much as these dsms seem to.

But if I didn't like dsms I wouldn't own them would I?

In fact I still have two of them if you read the sig.

Also curious Nigel why dont you delete the stuff out of your sig you no longer own?

Exactly.

It clearly says "Past", its designed to show people I'm not a newbie with 9 cars...

Hmm well it seems your cars are getting slower!

Considering its FWD and basically stock
I think it's a decent time

You said that you want to try launching it and going WOT a lot more now that you are at 500kms now.
(Notice I say kms, not miles. We aren't yankies here)

So what's the difference between launching it a couple of blocks away vs at the track. You've spent all this money so far, what's the big deal if you need a tow home?

Your pudding needs some proof....

Its 850km which is 500 miles.

Fact is these cars have weak trannies,center diffs and weak axles. Tows are not cheap. Couple hundred likely.

And it costs good money to drive up to track,rent a hotel, take family since they always want to tag along.

But main reason is exactly what I said. Why go and run this year at maybe 20psi and maybe run an 11.5 to 12.00? when can go next year and run what the car is capable of and get a 10 and call it a day.

Car has no cage nor will it have one. Also guess now you need a fire jacket and my helmet just expired. And if you drive up to track you can easily get rained out and waste the trip. Also current track has no track prep most of the time. so unless you are on drag tires your 60ft will suck and of course your times will suck also. Track don't even have concrete launch pad,its a bush league track.

We are getting a much closer new track like twenty minutes out might be 1/8 mile though for a couple of years and I wanted a 1/4 mile run.

I am not overly worried as have my tazzo which was tested at the track several times and is pretty much dead on for et and 60ft ,three mph or so higher than track mph.

I don't need a 10 to feel like I have accomplished something. I have the car don't really care about a timeslip. But will be sure to post one if do run it next year.

Yes Allan, just like you are getting more and more stupid, my cars are getting slower... Good observation... 3 gold stars for you!

20 bucks says it doesn't make it to 10,000kms, let alone 10 second passes.

Allan, my point was simple. Before saying that your car do this and that, make sure it can do it. When I'm asked what my car does in the 1/4, I reply with, "I don't know. I've haven't had it to the track yet."

Makes sense, doesn't it?

Yes Darin ,
I can't say right now my car is a 10 second car, 11 second car,any second car. Have not tracked it or even timed it with portable timer.

All I can say is its a potential 10 second car from looking at my mods and what others have done with them with proper driving and tuning.

And Nigel you are hilarious! 20 buck bets..LOL Maybe you should quit your job at Mcdonalds and find a real job or something.Then you could at least make a decent bet.

But you make some sense. So far not exactly impressed to hell with how reliable these dsm cars are. Compared to my v8s I still worry every single time I floor them or launch them hard.
I guess eventually will have more faith in them or will just have to have lots of spare axles,trannies ,etc lying around to fix them up with if they blow up.

Luckily just sold my 80 trans am for decent bucks so can put a few more things into the 97 talon, the 99 trans am or maybe just sell them all and get a c6 vette and be done with this modding stuff.

Of course some of you guys would have trouble believing a new c6 is not a 14 second car.

Why don't you stick to your "big boards" where they know and believe you can crack off 10's with that car? Why stick around here, where pretty much everyone dislikes your gloating, boasting attitude. This has just become a place for you to run your mouth (keyboard) about your car. Do you realise that this thread is 187 posts long, with 80% of them being page long posts by you, replying to yourself? This has just become a place for you to BLOG.

Please, do us all a favour and take your attitude to those "big boards" where they must appreciate hearing about you go on and on about your little project car.

See you in Wanted To Sell.

Allan, don't question my betting ability please...
If you wanna make a real wager, with real money, I'm totally game, as I'm confident you lack the real skill, know how, etc etc, to run that car into the 10s.
And just so you know, I'm a full-time student, hence why I downgraded my car as well. Mature move IMO, maybe you can learn something from me.

Listen Allan if you have to post like 50 times to get an oil pan on without leaking like a screen door on a submarine, then soon were probably gonna see "Allan's Indestructible Thread On How to Get Into the 10's"... and it will be indestructible, cause you'll never get there.

I think this thread should be locked now.

Well its good to have a bit of discussion on the old board sometime but I do think it should not get so personal. I also figure anyone that don't want to read the thread don't have to. I just wanted to document my project with its ups and downs and twists and turns. No intention to brag about the car.While the car is already wicked fast and will be light speed fast with tuning and more boost its just a car and by next year won't even be my fastest car.

Its just a hobby ,not sure why some guys take it so serious and get so worked up about this stuff.

I am going to try not to let some of the board guys get under my skin but also going to try to mellow out a bit on my end.

There won't be much more to post on this thread anyway. The project is pretty much done for this year and likley won't see the track till next year as have said many times due to not wanting to break things like tranny or axles.

Also want to tune it right and maybe dyno tune and run some decent time even if it only gets a few runs in before they kick it off.

So lock it if you want moderators don't matter to me.

But if they want to do something useful they should kick people for personal attacks. I don't attack anyone first but will of course retaliate if they start it.

:rolleyes:

Mike I attacked Nigel and Amin after they kept hounding me in various posts. I didnt' start the war I just counterattacked! I am not a passivist Mike!

Of course I could tell you to BLOW ME too but that is getting a bit silly. I have decided to mellow out and not let people get under my skin so much.

So I am not telling you to BLOW ME Mike ok!
And if Nigel and Amin will apologize to me I will apologize to them. Simple enough.

If not well then in the word of Gone with the Wind..frankly Scarlet I dont' give a f@@K!

To try and cut down on all this hostility, i'm going to go ahead and change the subject.

I'm moving up to Regina next weekend Al, and even if the car doesnt work, as some have mentioned, I'd sure like to take a look at it/have a ride or two, just to say that I did.

You've probally got my e-mail, so I guess i'll be talking to ya.

Ryan I didn't get your email yet. You are more than welcome to come for a ride /visit.

Car is working pretty good.Just did new brake install today.If you want to go fast you have to be able to stop too!

Pff.. Brakes are for people that don't like going fast.

Just kidding, I'd like to upgrade my brakes, but the engine comes first.

p.s.
herps_@hotmail.com

Al's Ride is Fast,
but as far as 1/4 time im unsure what it would be, either way as soon as he gets a Tazzo reading or 1/4 at the track im sure everyone will be impressed.

Just dont blow that 2.4L up!

time to install a wideband gauge!
let me know when or if you get one i wouldnt mind helping to see what is all involved and figure out which one i will get for my SS

Hey Chris good to see you on the dsm board!
Don't worry won't be blowing it up! It is forged engine don't forget. And watch my knock retard like a hawk!

I can't decide on wideband. The plx 250 has no display in the box but can use a 2 1/16 inch gauge in white or black .or you can get the plx300 it has digital display and can still hook up to the 2 1/16 inch guages. But the guages are not exact match for my autometer phantoms .Autometer makes a wideband with phantom but it can't log and is very expensive 380 US! Decisions ,decisions. If you want Chris you can come help me do some tuning when get back from holidays on 10th.

I should have my active silencer by then and my replacement ecu and dsmlink chip which should hopefully stop some wierd but mostly just annoying things the car has been doing. Getting codes for no reason that don't come back ,the other day started car and it was doing a stutterbox thing at 4500 like the throttle was stuck but throttle wasn't stuck! I think current chip or ecu might need to be looked at.