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Supercharging an NT #203868
February 25, 2002 03:44 am UTC
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Gabriel Shim Offline OP
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Has anyone modified an NT with a supercharger? Turbo conversion is out of my league.


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Re: Supercharging an NT #203869
February 25, 2002 04:41 am UTC
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Hey i was thinking about the same thing a while back i couldnt find much info but if i do ill email u! if u find anything out let me know.... its a good idea freak

[ February 24, 2002: Message edited by: Brennan Clouatre ]

Re: Supercharging an NT #203870
February 25, 2002 04:42 am UTC
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Turbo conversion on a 1G would be a LOT cheaper than goin with a supercharger.

Most kits run well into the thousands. To do a turbo conversion could cost you less than 1k.

Re: Supercharging an NT #203871
February 25, 2002 04:49 am UTC
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I asked around about a turbo conversion here in calgary and there is no mechanic that has dealt with a turbo conversion so I am left with a supercharger option now.

Wouldn't a turbo conversion cost just as much, since you has to swap a whole bunch of stuff.


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Re: Supercharging an NT #203872
February 25, 2002 05:21 am UTC
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It has been done before.

The Supercharger was made out of a Root Type Supercharger (If I remember right) and was welded into an Intake manifold.

Boost was about 7 psi which a NT Motor can take no problem. It had an excellent responce.

You would still have to put a Turbo ECU, Injectors/Resistors and wire in a Knock Sensor. Half way to a Turbo conversion...

Ghislain.


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Re: Supercharging an NT #203873
February 25, 2002 07:21 am UTC
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Can u still get that super charger? go to www.magnusmotorsports.com and phone the guy u can get a good turbo motor and computer for around 1800$. That should be cheaper than the supercharger but i could be wrong, also its a hassle to find the parts but worth it because then u will be as fast as a stock turbo car laugh thats what im saving for tu

Re: Supercharging an NT #203874
February 26, 2002 12:40 am UTC
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Yeah. I found a complete turbo kit for my 94 NT talon. The price on it was quoted to be $4K. The kit was designed for the NT DSM motors.... The kit comes complete with the ECU, gaskets, injectors, etc.


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Re: Supercharging an NT #203875
February 26, 2002 06:00 am UTC
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where did u find it?

Re: Supercharging an NT #203876
February 26, 2002 03:55 pm UTC
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You guys are looking at expensive brand name kits (read: overpriced junk).

You can get a 14b and all the necessary parts from club members or online at dsmtrader.com, and put together a turbo "kit" for less than 1k, guaranteed. And you don't need a mechanic to do it, get your hands dirty! All the parts are basically bolt ons, and you can use a turbo car as reference.

A supercharger install has to be completely custom, which means time and money. Turbo parts already exist and are easy to find.Do it the cheap and proven way.

Re: Supercharging an NT #203877
February 26, 2002 05:56 pm UTC
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Darko, If i replace the pistons over from a turbo dsm would i be ableto run higher boost? how do i attach the proper oil lines to the block and turbo?

Re: Supercharging an NT #203878
February 27, 2002 01:14 am UTC
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Darko,

the reason why I'm getting a brand name turbo kit is because I really don't know very much about cars and modifications. I would be more comfortable sleeping if a mechanic installed the kit.


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Re: Supercharging an NT #203879
February 27, 2002 03:07 am UTC
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You'd sleep even better if you sold your car and bought a TSi.

Re: Supercharging an NT #203880
February 27, 2002 08:12 am UTC
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You'd sleep even better if you sold your car and bought a TSi.


i think gabriel is in the same situation as me... Cant sell the car!!

Re: Supercharging an NT #203881
February 27, 2002 03:21 pm UTC
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The reason why I won't sell my car is becuz I like it too much. I am the only owner for my car, so I know exactly whats not wrong with my Talon. smile

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Re: Supercharging an NT #203882
March 01, 2002 07:34 am UTC
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I believe our own Mike Hamilton installed a supercharger (out of a GM3800 series II) on a DSM, if I remembered correctly, we was running about 5psi, more and he gets too much heat as there is no place to fit an intercooler.

guys, it's not really worth the time and money to mod a NT (unless it is in super duper condition). Just sell the car and get a TSI AWD.


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Re: Supercharging an NT #203883
March 11, 2002 09:08 pm UTC
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Yeah. Mike Hamilton did put a supercharger on his car. One of Mike Meron's creations. I saw it. It's an amazing piece of work. It's quite impressive how he did it.


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Re: Supercharging an NT #203884
March 11, 2002 10:41 pm UTC
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and the NT pistons will cook if you run high boost, even with forged pistons....no oil squirters to cool the pistons.


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Re: Supercharging an NT #203885
March 11, 2002 10:50 pm UTC
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and the supercharger worked fairly well for MH, to bad there was too much heat under the hood eek


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Re: Supercharging an NT #203886
March 16, 2002 03:42 pm UTC
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mike hamilton supercharged his tsi awd while ago!!!

You can ask him how it goes!!


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Re: Supercharging an NT #203887
March 16, 2002 06:00 pm UTC
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I never saw his SC, but I was thinking about it recentally. He had to build a Custom Intake, Which, is probally not hard to get a hold of, just call Magnus. Getting the intake hose to fit on the other side of the engine will be a problem. You could probally just lengthen all the vacuum lines, and it should work. When he sold it he wanted $800. Not sure what he got for it. I considered it, and might try to get it still. But really getting a turbo will cost the same, if not less. You can run highter boost. And be able to seek advice when sh!t happens. Where as with the SC. Yeah It would be cool to have it supercharged.


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Re: Supercharging an NT #203888
March 17, 2002 05:10 am UTC
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Thanx Shaun, Right now I don't know what I want now. I'm leaning into a turbo, but I can't find any mechanics that are confident in the conversion. I've called around on the SC install from SC experts and they won't touch my car. They say "it won't fit, not going to try".


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Re: Supercharging an NT #203889
March 17, 2002 07:17 pm UTC
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Originally posted by Len Randall:
and the NT pistons will cook if you run high boost, even with forged pistons....no oil squirters to cool the pistons.
A few engine builders have said the oil squirters aren't really neccesary and a few people have began running without them after having them break off and screw up their crank


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