Re: WHAT OPTIONS ARE THERE FOR REAL POWER
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January 14, 2005 03:44 am UTC
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John, Fiddy
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If its not turbo your S.O.L. Or i will race them for free.
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Re: WHAT OPTIONS ARE THERE FOR REAL POWER
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January 14, 2005 05:08 am UTC
January 14, 2005 05:08 am UTC
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Jeremy Chin
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Originally posted by Rob Felsted: What is the best things to do that will result in good power gains i have already done 2 1/2" exhaust header intake and i have a jdm engine if that matters please help i have so many friends talken smack i wanna represent DSM pride to the full posibility Non turbo you say eh? Best power gains is a turbo engine and even a stock 14b turbo is more than enough. Mind you, I still have the stock turbo, unhacked MAF and exhaust and I'm in the mid-13s. Then if you are going to do that, just buy a Turbo AWD instead. I wont bother racing anyone. My Non-turbo galant is one of the quicker non-turbo DSMs around and still only runs a very low 16. Even a V6 Ford Tempo would outrun me.
300hp Talon to a 50hp Citroen. Lovely ain't it? Back to another Mits. A Mirage Cyborg as a future 4G63T candidate.
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Re: WHAT OPTIONS ARE THERE FOR REAL POWER
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January 17, 2005 01:09 am UTC
January 17, 2005 01:09 am UTC
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Rob Cauduro
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I highly recomend using squirters. I know people have run without them, and I know people have sucessfully made good power and BLA BLA f*ckin BLA.........BUT DID YOU KNOW:
wrist pins on the piston and rod rely on splashing oil for lubrication?
Squirters significantly cool the piston to reduce knock?
Sqirters are easy to install and can be picked up from any old turbo block for cheap?
performance pistons also need more slpashing oil action to help flow through the low resistance oil rings.
I could go on, point being, why not take the extra time to do it right. Just because other people got away with not using them, why follow? Do it right the first time.
The NT motor was designed for non boost applications. As soon as your making more power, the extra lubrication provided by squirters is a nice thing to have and be able to sleep at night. I would never build a motor without them personally, but who the hell listens to me anyways? LOL
Just my two cents.
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Re: WHAT OPTIONS ARE THERE FOR REAL POWER
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January 17, 2005 10:04 pm UTC
January 17, 2005 10:04 pm UTC
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I'm sure the FMIC helps, but it certainly isn't the main power adder.
Personally, I've known of FWDs running mid 14s just by turning the boost up (no other mods). And I've run mid 14s with all my mods!
That being said, in the 1/4 mile, a lot of it comes down to how the car is tuned and driven.
My advice for you would be to get the swap done and have the car running as if it were a stock TSi FWD. Then after working out all the bugs and tuning, if you feel the car is not fast enough, you have many options at your disposal (including an upgraded FMIC to support more boost).
Here are some mods that you could benefit from even before a FMIC is required:
- boost controller & boost gauge - intake/exhaust - fuel pump & AFPR - 2G MAFS & 550cc injectors (or, any larger injectors with a MAF-T or other form of fuel control)
1993 Eagle Talon TSi FWD 13.8 @ 106 :::: 14.1 @ 117
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Re: WHAT OPTIONS ARE THERE FOR REAL POWER
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January 17, 2005 10:42 pm UTC
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Rob Strelecki
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Cooler air isn't going to hurt. If you have the money and it's less hassle for you - sure, an upgraded intercooler may be right on track for you. A FMIC will create more lag than a SMIC, and I know aftermarket SMICs can go quite far (definitely further than 250hp).
The hp difference between 1G and 2G is not only because of pistons. There are many differences from turbo to intake and exhaust piping. The stock 2G may make 210hp at some rpm, but the power bleeds off earlier than on a 1G - so is it really an improvement?
In my opinion, it is worthwhile to get the 2G pistons. Just keep in mind that with higher compression you will be more prone to knock, so be careful!
1993 Eagle Talon TSi FWD 13.8 @ 106 :::: 14.1 @ 117
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Re: WHAT OPTIONS ARE THERE FOR REAL POWER
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January 18, 2005 12:03 am UTC
January 18, 2005 12:03 am UTC
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Why dont you just follow the guide on tuners. http://dsmtuners.com/tuning-guide/1gturbo/ Asking questions such as "is (enter product name here} good" will get you different responses and different opinions. Why dont you try doing some research. Also please use the period. Its what you use at the end of a sentence. You can find this key above the space bar inbetween the comma and the slash.
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Re: WHAT OPTIONS ARE THERE FOR REAL POWER
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January 18, 2005 01:18 am UTC
January 18, 2005 01:18 am UTC
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Jeremy Chin
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Originally posted by Rob Felsted: dont mock me on my own post if u dont have anything constructive to say get out PERIOD Heh, Hey Mr. Newbie. just that you know, no one likes Pete anyway but with you posting that sort of response, you're a bigger looser. (I was much friendlier before I read that last post.) Try using proper grammar and punctuation first, then ask questions and you would be more accomodated. Remember, you DON'T own the post. You already have more than enough information to do the engine swap. Forgive me if I were to assume from your posts and questions that you have more money than brains. If you would like to spend $500+ on a FMIC + pipes setup for a mere 250 total hp, by all means. A stock SMIC is like $50. I'm running 13.4 with a stock exhaust + cat, stock sidemount, stock 14b turbo and stock unhacked MAF. My total engine mod $ = under $1500 (Cams, ICpipes, 550 injectors, SAFC, BS-removal, MBC@17psi). Sure I'm AWD, but even with FWD, you should still be in the 13s. I'm the antithesis of the "I need a bigger turbo, FMIC, big exhaust, big this big that to run good times". The more crap you bolt on without learning how to drive and tune the car properly first, the slower you get. And yes, talk is cheap. Get to step 1, then we can proceed to step 2 and so on.
300hp Talon to a 50hp Citroen. Lovely ain't it? Back to another Mits. A Mirage Cyborg as a future 4G63T candidate.
"I've had more Mitsu's than you can imagine"
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Re: WHAT OPTIONS ARE THERE FOR REAL POWER
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January 18, 2005 02:18 am UTC
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Re: WHAT OPTIONS ARE THERE FOR REAL POWER
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January 18, 2005 02:29 am UTC
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Nate Fullerton
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Periods and non run on sentences are much nicer to read. Thats why we insist on some grammer. Spelling is not a huge deal, but some basic form is nice.
1997 Eagle Talon TSi Awd SOLD 1997 Jeep TJ Sahara 35"s, winch, stuff like that.
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Re: WHAT OPTIONS ARE THERE FOR REAL POWER
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January 18, 2005 03:00 am UTC
January 18, 2005 03:00 am UTC
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Jeremy Chin
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Originally posted by Nate Fullerton: Periods and non run on sentences are much nicer to read. Thats why we insist on some grammer. Spelling is not a huge deal, but some basic form is nice. WERD! If you want us to read your posts and give feedback, the very least you can do is putting the effort in and making your posts easier to read. Come on it's not that hard. 5. Posts must use correct spelling, grammar and punctuation. If you had read the Rules when you signed on, you would know that proper english is welcomed. If you had that right from the start, this post wont have turned out to be a pissy match (although Pete would still somehow manage to mess things up) and you've would have gotten more answers to your questions.
300hp Talon to a 50hp Citroen. Lovely ain't it? Back to another Mits. A Mirage Cyborg as a future 4G63T candidate.
"I've had more Mitsu's than you can imagine"
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