What is the best things to do that will result in good power gains i have already done 2 1/2" exhaust header intake and i have a jdm engine if that matters please help i have so many friends talken smack i wanna represent DSM pride to the full posibility

If its not turbo your S.O.L. Or i will race them for free.

Non turbo you say eh?

Best power gains is a turbo engine and even a stock 14b turbo is more than enough. Mind you, I still have the stock turbo, unhacked MAF and exhaust and I'm in the mid-13s.

Then if you are going to do that, just buy a Turbo AWD instead.

I wont bother racing anyone. My Non-turbo galant is one of the quicker non-turbo DSMs around and still only runs a very low 16. Even a V6 Ford Tempo would outrun me.

Seriously, it's so much easier to get a Turbo block, build it up and drop it in. Don't bother with NT. IMHO

thanks for the help guy one thing i have been wondering is how much do those oil squiters in the turbo block matter what if i got the turbo pistons ceramic coated that would drop the heat and how much psi safley would i b able to run

I run the n/t block with turbo pistons. 20psi and tuned for no knock and a good power band. You will be fine.

I highly recomend using squirters. I know people have run without them, and I know people have sucessfully made good power and BLA BLA f*ckin BLA.........BUT DID YOU KNOW:

wrist pins on the piston and rod rely on splashing oil for lubrication?

Squirters significantly cool the piston to reduce knock?

Sqirters are easy to install and can be picked up from any old turbo block for cheap?

performance pistons also need more slpashing oil action to help flow through the low resistance oil rings.

I could go on, point being, why not take the extra time to do it right. Just because other people got away with not using them, why follow? Do it right the first time.

The NT motor was designed for non boost applications. As soon as your making more power, the extra lubrication provided by squirters is a nice thing to have and be able to sleep at night. I would never build a motor without them personally, but who the hell listens to me anyways? LOL

Just my two cents.

good feedback guys and if u fellas dont mind im gonna ask for somemore what do u guys think about front mount compared to the adfx smic they sell on dsmtuners.com it says it has 2 times the capacity of the original and it out flows the supras smic and im trying to decide on what intercooler to use smic or fmic and my thoughts are if i use a smic it will let the rad cool alot better which also is cooling the turbo and if u use a front mount wont u really decrease ur rads cooling power i want to hit the 250hp range thanks guys

how much hp can a smic like the adfx one on dsmtuners.com handle or how much boost i should say and dont forget price for smic is much cheaper then a front mount what im trying to say is a fmic really neccesary or is it partly just for show and to be able to say i gotta huge fmic but my real question is how much psi can one of the good smic handle
thanks

A FMIC isn't going to murder your rad's cooling abilities.

But if you're only going for 250hp, either one would be a good enough choice.
You could probably get there with the stock one.

what does ur setup consist of to get u into the 13 sec 1/4 mile range not just intercooler setup everything or the big power adders

I'm sure the FMIC helps, but it certainly isn't the main power adder.

Personally, I've known of FWDs running mid 14s just by turning the boost up (no other mods).
And I've run mid 14s with all my mods!

That being said, in the 1/4 mile, a lot of it comes down to how the car is tuned and driven.

My advice for you would be to get the swap done and have the car running as if it were a stock TSi FWD.
Then after working out all the bugs and tuning, if you feel the car is not fast enough, you have many options at your disposal (including an upgraded FMIC to support more boost).

Here are some mods that you could benefit from even before a FMIC is required:

- boost controller & boost gauge
- intake/exhaust
- fuel pump & AFPR
- 2G MAFS & 550cc injectors (or, any larger injectors with a MAF-T or other form of fuel control)

yeh but instead of spending money to buy a stock intercooler which i will most likely sell in a year neways y not just get aftermarket intercooler from the start and bite the bullet then one more question is what is the benifit of using 2g pistons on 1g rods

I see your point.
Stock SMIC's are extremely cheap though, compared to aftermarket! And that money could be better spent on the mods I've listed above (see my edited post).

Regarding 2G pistons, the benefit is an increased compression ratio:

2G turbo pistons: 8.5:1
1G turbo pistons: 7.8:1

yeh but most of thoes things listed i will do at the same time i like to do it so it wont have to b changed again like i would get the stock intake snorkle i would get a hard pipe or stock upper and lower intercool i would get aftermarket and the down pipe and that stuff is the 2g pistons the reason for its hp beeing its 210 stock and the 1g are only 190 and is it worth it to get the 2g pistons if i have to get pistons neways

Cooler air isn't going to hurt.
If you have the money and it's less hassle for you - sure, an upgraded intercooler may be right on track for you.
A FMIC will create more lag than a SMIC, and I know aftermarket SMICs can go quite far (definitely further than 250hp).

The hp difference between 1G and 2G is not only because of pistons. There are many differences from turbo to intake and exhaust piping. The stock 2G may make 210hp at some rpm, but the power bleeds off earlier than on a 1G - so is it really an improvement?

In my opinion, it is worthwhile to get the 2G pistons. Just keep in mind that with higher compression you will be more prone to knock, so be careful!

do u know of a fmic that is both well performance wise and well price wise if so a name and a place where i can find some prices would b good

Why dont you just follow the guide on tuners.
http://dsmtuners.com/tuning-guide/1gturbo/

Asking questions such as "is (enter product name here} good" will get you different responses and different opinions. Why dont you try doing some research. Also please use the period. Its what you use at the end of a sentence. You can find this key above the space bar inbetween the comma and the slash.

dont mock me on my own post if u dont have anything constructive to say get out PERIOD

Get a boosted engine first with supporting mods, then get a FMIC. Talk is cheap.

Heh, Hey Mr. Newbie. just that you know, no one likes Pete anyway but with you posting that sort of response, you're a bigger looser. (I was much friendlier before I read that last post.)

Try using proper grammar and punctuation first, then ask questions and you would be more accomodated. Remember, you DON'T own the post.

You already have more than enough information to do the engine swap.

Forgive me if I were to assume from your posts and questions that you have more money than brains. If you would like to spend $500+ on a FMIC + pipes setup for a mere 250 total hp, by all means. A stock SMIC is like $50.

I'm running 13.4 with a stock exhaust + cat, stock sidemount, stock 14b turbo and stock unhacked MAF. My total engine mod $ = under $1500 (Cams, ICpipes, 550 injectors, SAFC, BS-removal, MBC@17psi). Sure I'm AWD, but even with FWD, you should still be in the 13s. I'm the antithesis of the "I need a bigger turbo, FMIC, big exhaust, big this big that to run good times".

The more crap you bolt on without learning how to drive and tune the car properly first, the slower you get.

And yes, talk is cheap. Get to step 1, then we can proceed to step 2 and so on.

Thanks for the input getlemen I just like to plan ahead so i would rather get the input before I go and spend a crap load of money on stuff i dont need yes im lucky i have money but i worked my ass off to have it i will tell u im 19 years old i have done a full engine swap and converted my car to stick with just what i learn on my own while goin to school full time so trust me I do have brains and I no talk is cheap but I do everything I say i will do maybe not asap but it will be done thanks again guys for all the input and i hope there is no hard feeling and as for grammer its a forum not an essay comeon thats just my thought about it thanks again

Periods and non run on sentences are much nicer to read. Thats why we insist on some grammer. Spelling is not a huge deal, but some basic form is nice.

WERD!

If you want us to read your posts and give feedback, the very least you can do is putting the effort in and making your posts easier to read. Come on it's not that hard.

5. Posts must use correct spelling, grammar and punctuation.

If you had read the Rules when you signed on, you would know that proper english is welcomed. If you had that right from the start, this post wont have turned out to be a pissy match (although Pete would still somehow manage to mess things up) and you've would have gotten more answers to your questions.

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