So the law cracked down on some frends of mine.
2 buddies went for a ride in the one guys 5.0L stang.
The owner was in the passenger seat, friend was driving, thinking about buying the car.
Took the car for a rip of cource he wanted to see what it would do, before buying it.
And just his luck a cop was sitting on the road he decided to test the car out.
I didnt find out how fast he was going but obviously 50+

So far all I know is, the one that was driving lost his licence for at least 1 year, and a fine for around $2000, with a court date. The car is being impounded for 1 week. The owner I dont beleive had any loss, except his car being impounded.

Shitty luck for both of them.
Just intime for that new law.

He could have obviously tested out the car without going that fast. But everyones an idiot here and there I guess.

Just thought I'd share that with you guys.


Mike

Lost his licence for a year, is that standard with this new law? I read that they already charged 29 people since the new law came into effect. Hopefully its mainly made up of soccer moms in their mini vans & middle aged men in their high $ luxery cars, so they can stop blaming us for everything.... (like that will happen)

I dont know if thats standard, but I was told it was going to be a minimum of 1 year.... I'll let you guys know after the court date

Dont see why people are in such an uproar about the 50km+ speeding rule, 50 over on any street or road is excessive.
Yes the 401 travels quick at times, and no I am not saying that I haven't exceeded the limit by more than 50+ ever, but now you will know what will happen if you are caught at that level.

50+ law is fine...

If you guys are going to be upset about something, be upset that bundled in the bill is power for the police to take your car & licence based only on what they think your intentions are.

How do we request disclosure of test records for their mind-reading devices?

Just wondering if any of the 29 "arrests" have been anything other than the 50+ rule. I agree with the fact that the issue with the "intention" part of the rule, although I see so many people having issue with the fact that at 50+ they can impound your car and pull your licence.

I heard this morning in the news that the latest victim of this new law was an Aston Martin Vanquish doing 160, the driver had a suspended license and the owner was on the passenger seat. the car was impounded and the owner was fined $2k fine.

just wait till all the stories come out after the thxgiving wkend.

From what I read today - and I mean, it was the police saying they were doing it in the article - they were mainly trying to get people on the slow downs. Ie, a road at 80 goes to 50. You were doing 20 over (100), and they catch you right after the sign (50 over the 50 speed limit).

You know they're trying to bolster their numbers to say "Look, this law was needed", and of course, at $2k a pop or more, it's a cash cow.

Personally, I'm driving into Toronto tonight in my Civic, doing 110 the whole way. Because you know Fantino needs to pay for his aircraft somehow.

On the edge it said the same somewhere in that rule there is something about drifting as well.. did anyone hear that as well?

Drifting is also obviously stupid on city streets.. and if you drift.. you gotta expect to be caught and treated accordingly..

^^^
Yep, Tokyo Drift go directly to impound, do not pass GO, do not collect $200.

In the paper this morning, 5 people nailed w/ the 50+ law in Peterborough so far. Two of them on Highway #7, one on the #115, and the other two within city limits.

So far, all cars were impounded and licenses pulled for one week - court dates pending, as well. Minimum $2000 fine and up to 6 months in jail, according to the paper.

Apparently, it doesn't matter whether or not you OWN the vehicle either... one of the people busted was a delivery driver. The delivery van was impounded for one week (real good for business), but it's up to the driver to pay for the impound costs, fines, etc.

niiiice. I like seeing that they are catching cars other than the "modified street racing cars"

The very first day the law was passed I saw half a dozen cops searching through 4 cars on a highway 7 off ramp. They had a Prowler, a Vette, a 5.0, and a newer Stang. I can only assume they were all in a bit of trouble!!

We were at Cayuga last night and I was in the passenger seat of my buddies car on the way home where we cruised 150 the entire way back....I was sleeping but I thought for sure I was going to wake up to a cop impounding his car...lol!

Just saw the paper, there was a guy doing 210km/h on the 400 and even tried to get away from the cops. He was also spotted doing 180km/h on finch. This guys in deep sh!t he not only broke the 50km/h law but even tried evading the cops and crashed into a cruiser.

Geez...,
Maybe a speed limiter should be an option on the peckerhead chip.
If possible..
It would be nice for those of us with heavy feet.

Aaron

They are gonna catch more soccer mom's and old guys then they are gonna catch "street racers"

I've done 50 over the speed limit a couple times, but on back roads, and only when I first got my car and was testin' her out.

Now I never even break 40km over on the 401. I hate getting tickets, I hate paying fines, and I hate having to deal with cops on a professional level.

We had someone up here busted doing 132 in an 80 last week. Not sure what he was driving but he wasn't a young punk either, was in his late 30's. Still not sure what he was thinking because I've driven the road he was on and no way he should have been going that fast.

I was appalled to see a BMW passing me at what I estimate 160kph and maintaining speed exiting the Hwy last thrusday night on a foggy rainy night. There were many others 'hiddenly speeding' in the fog. I guess some people simply don't care about others nor themselves.

But what if, at that fraction of a second, having me going at speed limit, downshifting to decelerate as i was approaching the exit, cops see us side to side revving up the engines? The new law, although with the right intention, is dangearous as they can be easily abused.

The count for those affected is going well over 200 so far...

On Sunday morning, I was heading south on the Allen, merging from Lawrence Ave. West when some high end Benz comes roaring up on my behind. I was doing the limit - 80km/h on the dot. So I estimate the driver was doing at least 125 km/h or so.

He flashes his beams and instead moves around me passing on my left and increases his speed to an insane level. I said what ever.

Arriving at the reduce speed to 60 km/h post before getting to Eglinton Ave. West, I did just that and to my shocker I see
I see a cop, then two on the side of the road with the Benz dude. I pull up behind the Benz and waited patiently.


I waited about 2 minutes before giving a light short honk on the horn and the officers look back at me sticking my hand out the window with a thumb up. I get the thumbs up back from them both of them. The one officer comes up to my window and said "this guy is going to get it really good. He should have followed your lead by example"

I said back "some people never will learn".

The officer tells me to go around and to have a nice day.

Amazing to see the cops shift their focus from mufflers to people who actually deserve to get it.

In a way it's not really surprising considering we live in a society driven by naggers and whinners (who should barking at the wrong tree and rethink) and politicians/adminstrator responding to them (who should stop kissing ass and focus on real issues). Also, only in the roads the police has a real presence among most citizens, and where enforcement and revenue collecting activities are easier to execute. This is a slightly different shift because of recent traffic incidents and solid evidence, and action is expected.

Although there are still interest groups and biased media having grudges against modified vehicles, many of us will notice that bad drivers come in all different types and driving a broad variety of vehicles.

As of yesterday they've caught 207.
Min. fine is $2000 so times 207... 414000 bucks! Fantino's aircraft costs how much? 2 Mill? They'll have to catch another 600 and it will be paid for. At this rate, shouldn't be to hard.

when i was getting an alignment on saturday, there was a guy in the shop telling a story to a cop that was there (trying to get a deal on new tires for his Kia) about how he was caught with a customers car (with the customer in it at least) doing 145 on DVP.

he exchanged #s with the cop but even the officer said there's not going to be much he can do about it.

This will just get things back to where they were in the '70s. People have gotten too lazy in watching out for the police, and you'll see a resurgance in illegal radar/laser detectors.

But at 50kph over the limit, there really is no valid excuse.

I've been in your situation, Jaime, only I wasn't doing the speed limit either so there was nowhere to hide. A radar gun is supposed to be able to differentiate which vehicle is doing what speed, though. You just fight it in court. If they can't prove your vehicle was the one going over the limit, you get off.

why couldnt those 207 ppl fight with the radar... My mom told me if you argue with the cop they automatically up the fine 5000$..

Depends on the cop, but normally they won't 'up' the fine but will 'lower' it if you play ball with them. As a Car and Driver editorial put it, "Why not? It's still pure profit for them."

If they have you on radar, it pretty much is a 'dead to rights' thing unless they've really screwed up and didn't calibrate, etc... or just aren't on their game during the court date.

I'm wondering who will be the first DSM'er to have they're car taken away?
Anyone been tagged yet with the 50km/h over law yet?

I don't think any DSMer will get their car taken away.

For soccer moms and guys with their BMW's yada yada, who haven't put the time/patience/parts/money into their cars, they probably don't mean as much to them.

Does anyone on here who has their SUMMER DSM care if they lose it or not?

If so, go fly down the 401 at a buck sixty.

besides, if that happens to any one of us, i think they would be too embarassed to mention it on here

I really doubt anyone from here will get caught but who knows, anyone that gets caught will be to embarased anyways like mentioned above. It's amazing how the word spread real fast to everyone in the tuner world everyone knew by the first day.

I keep seeing people in mini vans speed by me doing 150 or more and I atay at the limit or I'm usually following a group doing 120 or so but I can't believe how stupid some people are.

Just a tangent off this topic, but WHY go over 100km\h?

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/fueleconomy/articles/106842/article.html

Just look at the cold, hard facts.

A coles notes version for those too lazy to read:

Test #1 Aggressive Driving vs. Moderate Driving

Result: Major savings potential

The Cold Hard Facts: Up to 37 percent savings, average savings of 31 percent

Recommendation: Stop driving like a maniac.

Test #2 Lower Speeds Saves Gas

Result: Substantial savings on a long trip

Cold Hard Facts: Up to 14 percent savings, average savings of 12 percent

Recommendation: Drive the speed limit.

Test #3 Use Cruise Control

Result: Surprisingly effective way to save gas

Cold Hard Facts: Up to 14-percent savings, average savings of 7 percent

Recommendation: If you've got it, use it.

There's more to it than that, but seriously, those doing 50 over are
A: Losing fuel economy
B: Going to get caught, lose their license, their vehicle and a month's pay.

Because we all know that Sunoco 94 ain't cheap these days.

If my cruise worked I'd be doing a 100km/h all the way but for some reason its gone due to the 6 bolt in the 2g. Those are some good points there Ryan and I use only 94 but never knew about the savings above.

I predict that I'll be the first to be "awarded" this fate. I've got a sort of morbid curiosity that borders on insanity. I've often done things (or at least considered doing things) that, to the uninitiated observer, would seem insane at worst and pointless at best. Sometimes playing it safe is just about the most dangerous thing one can do. I'll keep you posted.

50km over in the city is pretty reasonable. But 50km over on the highway is not really high enough. I think it should be more like 80km over on the highway. 50km over is only 30mph over not very much.
Common sense comes into play here. If you want to test out your car and stuff do it like on sunday mornings on deserted roads or industrial parts of town.I have done that for years and years and my liscence is minimum. I did come close maybe to a big fine this year as was exercising the 97 talon on outskirts but still within city limits and at night. I broke my own rules. Some lady cop picked me up but not sure when or at what speed. I got no ticket talked my way out of it and she said it was my lucky day as she didn't get me on radar. Maybe she was just being nice.Advantages to being old guy.

Anyway we don't have this law here yet but bet it might go cross canada sooner or later.Blame all these strict laws on idiot fast and furious wannabe morons. Old muscle car guys almost always had the brains to take it out of town. We even have a section called the north quarter for north quartermile.Its just outside city limits and the rcmp are much better about these things than our city police.

Hmmm.. I guess I'm backwards then because I find it easier to do 50+ in the city than I do on the highway. From a stoplight to fourth gear and I'm already doing 90-100km; it's sometimes painful to have to slow down.

On the highway, my cruise speed is 130. I figure I don't wanna die, and if I crash at that speed, I'm pushing my luck. So as a general rule, I don't deviate from 130. Never have.

Just heard after the long weekend from a guy that works with me. That is ex father in law got busted doign 50 over. Got a $5000 fine and car impounded for a week. By the way, the guy that got busted was 65 and driving a mini van.... Don't even cut a break for an old guy. Hate to see what these cops would do to a 20 year old like me...

Probably cut you a break, because "Oh well, the old guy should have known better"

Doing 50 over in a minivan is a bit more dangerous than in a high-performance car, and some cops realize that. The balancing factor is the driver, which is harder for them to judge (not that they're even supposed to).

As for 'driving the limit', they're valid points although if you're disciplined enough you can do it without cruise control and can get even better economy. I seldom drive the limit myself, but usually my max is 30 over, and that's a stretch of rural road that used to be a 100 zone, but got marked down to 80 when they put a new toll highway beside it. Unless you're going for a quick blast of fun, there's no reason to be going faster than that.

As for driving 100 in a city zone, I admit that I've done it a few times when testing the Talon (and that was stock). The car gets up to that speed (and back down again) pretty quickly. The question is not if you can do it, but what could you do if someone walked out in front of you without looking? Even Michael Schumacher would have to say, "Nothing." Sticking to a max of 60 in the city is just being responsible for the safety of others.

Guys, I don't get this.

Why are we running up a thread about how we can't break the law anymore? :sniff:

Awww.. the police are coming down hard on us now because they don't want us to break our cars into blistering speeds at the possible expense of others..???

Going 50 over anywhere at any time whether or not you think you can handle it is wreckless and dangerous.

We have run threads of how we want to keep it at the track, yada yada yada... now we run this up about how we can't "race" down the streets?

Look at it this way:

1: Treat every car on the road as if it has your kids in it.
2: A long straight stretch of road can have hidden hazards like animals, or potholes, possibly damaging your car.
3: Topping out 3rd gear for the purposes of tuning will bring you to approx 140 km/hr. No need to go higher than that.
4: It costs too much.

/rant

Have to disagree with you there, Ryan. Going 50 over anywhere at any time is NOT necessarily wreckless and dangerous, depending on the driver.

If you think that, then sell your DSM and buy a Yaris.

In public? Doing 50 over in a DSM or a Yaris, it doesn't matter.

You are putting lives at risk. Overconfidence is what can get you or others killed.

Think about it. New Brunswick's major highways are 110. You are doing 165 and someone pulls out without looking. You can stop a lot sooner doing 110-120 than you can doing 160-170.

It is also easier to lose control at high speeds. A blown tire will really ruin your day when you're doing 160.

Ryan, I was recently on the Autobahn again. It is NOT speed that is dangerous, but stupidity! You have to drive according to the conditions. Over there, you have some people doing 90, others doing 240 and up....tell me about how fast things happen. You have to drive accordingly..pay attention, and be prepared. Over there, you DON'T find people on the autobahn talking on cell phones, shaving, eating breakfast, applying makeup, or reading the newspaper or a map...all of which I have seen on the highways here. If a road is full of potholes, yes, reduce your speed. But there is NO reason (other than our laws) that you shouldn't be able to drive 160 on the QEW between Niagara and toronto (I often do 150 on my SCOOTER), or on the 401. I still think a 130 speed limit, with enforcement kicking in at 140 would actually IMPROVE our traffic situation, because there would be LESS cars on the road at any given point in time, as some would already have arrived.

Sometimes, I actually drive fast not because of the thrill, but because I am in a hurry to get somewhere, or running late. Even then, though, I drive "carefully". Only at fault accident I have ever had was a little fender bender in an intersection where we were turning left, I was distracted for mere seconds, and the guy in front of me stopped for an unknown reason in the middle of the intersection, and I bumped into him. This in almost 40 years of driving....I am proud of my record and consider myself an excellent judge of what is safe and what is not. I do agree 50 over the limit is a lot, but the problem is still that the "limit" is too low. Raise the limit to a reasonable level (130?), THEN enforce it!!

That, I agree with Ziggy.

Up the limit, so everyone is moving at the same pace. But when you're doing 160, and everyone's doing 110, you close up the gap pretty quick!

Like I said, Ryan, try doing 220 when others are doing 90. You would be AMAZED how fast you come on them. And with no speed limits, even though I generally did 140 - 160, it was AMAZING how fast a few other cars would come up on me.

The real problem...you said yourself "someone pulls out without looking".....

We need MUCH stricter licensing. Someone who pulls out without looking does NOT belong on the roads, even at 90 kph!!

Ryan,



Anymore?? Sounds like you're starting to buy into the political rhetoric on this one. There have always been laws against speeding, especially excessive speeding.

I don't think anyone is arguing that you shouldn't be punished if caught doing 50+ KM/H over the limit. I'd even say that I think the increase in fines was a good idea.

But do you not have a problem with the introduction of a new law where they can sieze your car without ever having to present any evidence? Does it not bother you that they're all of a sudden cracking down on this now that the fines have been increased?

No, I don't agree with HOW they are going about it, but I do agree that they ARE doing it.

Then again, you do the crime, you do the time.

I think it's just gotten to the point with the government that they are fed up. Instead of "Oh... you were speeding, here's a big ass fine, a court date, and some points on your license. If they were your last points, you lose it for a bit... then you get it back..."

No! Now it's "You want to speed like that? You are putting others in danger, so we are going to remove the problem. Take the car, give you a steep ass fine, and make you regret you had the gas pedal down that far."

Effective? I think so.

Because now, who's going to do 50 over? After a few hundred people getting charged? I'll tell you, I'll keep a feather foot on the gas.

Me too but some people don't get it a dude in his teg was challenging me on my way to school today at around 6am, he revved the sh!t out of his teg at the stop light and took off but I ignored him It would have been nice to see him getting pulled over by a cop. Some people don't get it and the numbers will keep getting higher.

Exactly. And that's why the government is doing this. Until people DO get it, the numbers will climb and you won't see things let up.

What happened to the car crushing idea was that lowered to this 50+km/h thing we have know.

I drove in to work this morning, with a friend, and he had a really funny suggestion. To cut to the chase, we discussed lining up Talons at London, and driving to Toronto at 100.0 km/h Cruise controlled, shoulder-to-shoulder, at 5pm on a Friday. Just back up traffic until it was hell for everyone.

Seems more and more, the police are having their cake and eating it too. The 401 is marked 100 km/h, which it's definitely not. Even trucks pull 110. So you get ticketed for doing 100, but the 120 is, actually, breaking the speed limit. And 150 is take your car away and give you a fine to break the bank.

So we had a huge laugh at the idea of 4-wide Talon runs, 2 or 3 cars deep, running side by side at 100 and just proving that the whole thing is B.S.




Later on, we realized that a whole Toronto run would get our cars keyed if they were ever seen near one of the 10,000 people we screwed, so we decided it'd be funnier to do it in rentals. Mark them with decals that say "Former Street Racer Who Will Never Do Over the Speed Limit Again"

Great Idea, Love it! I would drive one!!

Police have WAY too much power, and this step is very near the final in the conversion from democracy to police state. We are removing the "innocent until proven guilty"....and that makes us about the same as communist East Germany before the wall came down... I can't believe ANYONE would support this!

.. been done...

Pretty funny results, actually.. looks like the road was closed for a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B-Ox0ZmVIU

Well that has already been a fact for drunk driving, as they place an "administrative suspension" on your licence immediately.
What is it, three months?
They are just taking the same approach to excessive speeding, under the assumption that the offender would do it again the next day and every day up until the court does something about it (and we all know how long that would take).

I would support it if there were better evidence.
Such as, for drunk driving, where they record video of the BAC testing. Guilt is hardly left to question, so the administrative suspension is appropriate.

It just grinds my gears that it could all come down to whether or not the officer got steak and a BJ the night before.

Why do we need courts, then? The cops can pass the judgements right at the roadside...

Think of the tax dollars we could save....

Ryan, i think you are coming off as a guy who acts all high and mighty with your soapbox here and then does 50+ on the drive home from work today

i completely disagree with everything you mentioned a few posts above.

if you like to have all your civil rights stripped away from you, great, go live in Cuba. one of the benefits to living in Canada is our freedoms and rights, all of which are slowing being taken away or diminished.

so far, i've agreed with 100% of what Ziggy has stated. i believe Ryan is completely missing the point on this one.

Whoa.

If you knew me, you would know that I am against street racing, and acting stupid behind a wheel.

Driving is a priviledge, not a right. And if you abuse a priviledge, damn straight you should suffer the consequences.

I am not against going fast. Going fast is fine. But when there are many variables that can affect the outcome, it becomes dangerous. If the 401 was changed to be a speed limit of 120, great! Everyone would be moving at that pace, and there would be fewer accidents.

And FYI, I'll do 10-15 over, MAX. And on that note, I have a clean record, and never been in an accident.

However, as you mentioned, freedoms and rights... you have the freedom of speech and right to express your opinion.

Just let your opinion be informed, that's all.

I don't act all high and mighty, I just don't see the harm in this law, as it's doing more good than bad.

You wouldn't turn the other cheek if someone doing 100 in a 40 zone took your kid out on his/her way to school now would you?

Is speeding ok? No, but it has become socially acceptable.

Is excessive speeding ok? No, and they are trying to make it as socially unacceptable as drunk driving.

Do I agree with the law? Yes. Do I agree with how they are going about it? Somewhat. Do I agree with the fact that everything it stands for goes against the CCRF? No. I feel that it WILL make the roads safer and as long as you don't do 50 over, you're fine.

Not to mention, 50 over in a 50 zone is double the speed limit, giving you 7 points and a hefty fine. They are just upping the anty.

like i said, be cause i don't know you, i won't make any judgements, all i was saying as that i was interpreting your opinion as such based on the way you expressed it

i don't care about the new law at all, it won't affect me, i don't do anything that would warrant this new ticket anyways but i have a HUGE HUGE problem with the increased authority those donut eating bastards have.

Hey, I fell you on that one Grant.

Ok, so look at it this way.

How many of you have gotten a speeding ticket before?

Cop pulls you over.. "You were speeding, got you on radar, yada yada.. here's your fine."

You drive away. To speed another day.

With this law, they take your car, so you can't get back in and speed some more. Kind of like Minority Report, however you were found going 50 over, and they are just preventing you from doing it again.

Touch a hot stove once, you get burned. Do it again, you're an idiot.

Same thing.

It will make you think twice about doing 160 on the 401 when MOST (not all) are doing between 120-130 area.

Upping the speed limit to 130 will make 50 over doing 180.

Have you ever tried to get a Yaris or a freaking Aveo up to 100+ on an onramp? In heavy traffic? My girlfriend has an Aveo, it's hard.

Try getting it up to 150 if the speed limit was 130.

I am not backing up the cops, I am just saying that for a person like myself who will only do what most of traffic is doing (around 110-120), I would feel safer if I have to pass someone and nobody's flying up behind me doing 160.

point perfectly taken, Ryan

and personally, i feel most safe when i have the RIGHT to defend my actions in a court of law - NOT based on Joey Blue Suit's current mood on that day.

you see for yourself, fines range from 2000-5000 but based on WHAT criteria?!

the new rule is fine, the way they are implementing is is bogus.

Yeah... 2000 dollar fine is a little outrageous. Oh wait... "NO OFFICER I WASN'T SPEEDING" ---> $5000 fine.

I think the fact that your license will be suspended and car taken away is rough enough. Tack on a $500-$750 fine... sure.

2 Grand? That's a whole FP 3065, Manifold AND Wastegate setup.

Before taxes and shipping that is

Ryan:

your reference to minority report is frighteningly accurate. They SAY you have been caught once...but how about if his radar gun was wacky? Or he clocked the wrong car? Or .....
That is what your day in court is for. Perhaps you should ask Steven Truscott about this one...



I am suggesting that if the speed limit were 130, it should be ENFORCED, starting around 138-140. And 180 is not THAT horrible if traffick permits. There are very few cars on the road that won't do 180. You REALLY need to visit Germany . And enforcement is FINE...just not "side of the road judgements".
How would you feel if all those BS muffler tickets and that crap you were not allowed to fight them in court. If they were to say "the cop issued you a ticket, therefore you are guilty, there is no contesting it?" THIS is the problem. This is where we are heading!! Start with drunk driving and 50 over, but the precedent will be set...and one day you will get a ticket from a cop even though you did NOTHING wrong....maybe he didn't like the way you looked at his girlfiend..and you won't even be allowed to fight it. Welcome to the NEW Ontario!!



There are little 1 litre cars and the smart 1.3 diesel that manage it just fine..



Then the solution is VERY simple. Make sure there is no-one in the passing lane for a LONG ways back, pass quickly, and move back over to the right. If that STILL makes you uncomfortable, then drive like a Canadian....get in one lane and just follow the flow....just make sure it isn't the PASSING lane..

Ziggy.. DAMN...

PWNED!

I see what you're saying.

And an Aveo is very hard to get up to 150 quickly.

Last week traffic was moving at 145 eastbound from mccowan to meadowvale. Not just a few cars, most of them.

I have NO problem getting up to speed and into traffic in ANY situtation with my Echo. Wait, sometimes I do..... it's when there's a driver in front of me who lacks skill and confidence.

I've driven a focus wagon in europe. My echo is faster. Had no problem getting up to speed and into traffic then either, even when traffic was doing 160.

I miss european roads and drivers

Me too..things just went so SMOOTHLY there....:(

It's all the drivers...

That was MY point, Ryan. When I used to drive fast (sometimes double the limit) in traffic, you can be damned sure I was paying attention to traffic way ahead and even behind. As for 'losing control', that's crap...unless you're a poor driver in the first place, or something mechanical happens. Then you have to be a very GOOD driver. With everything else, you're putting yourself at risk. Noone else. Now I set my cruise at 100 or so to save fuel, and it's boring. I can see someone not as involved in 'driving' as I am whipping out a book (or even more dangerous these days, a video) or doing something else to pass the time. THAT is truly dangerous.

That being said, I didn't usually drive that fast in traffic. Speed doesn't kill, but the differential ups the risk.

Raising the limit to 130 won't do much, except embolden more people that can't handle the speed to go that fast, which is dangerous. The one thing I like about Canada is that people tend to drive in their comfort zone, and the police tend to make a small allowance for that. When the limit here was raised to 110, people still drive at 100, and not many people drove too much faster.

It's funny, but higher gas prices seemed to do a better job of speed enforcement than anything else.

Yeah yeah... I hear you.

Sure WE are good drivers, but when I drive, I don't worry about MY capabilites. I consider myself a pretty damned good driver, but it's not MY driving I'm worried about, it's other people's.

Fast drivers make it dangerous for slow drivers. Slow drivers make it dangerous for the fast drivers. It's a double-edged sword.

Fast and Slow drivers can co-mingle.

Case in point: We're arguing about 120 vs. 100 km/h (Roughly 72 vs 60 mph). Most of the western states have huge 2-lane and 4-lane highways with 80 mph speed limits (that's ~135), without having a significant (read: ANY) increase in fatalities or crashes. Or, as Ziggy is apt to remember fondly, the AutoBahn, in which slow and extremely fast drivers mingle.

Most people are spoon fed that it's the speed. But most responsible yet fast drivers, believe it's the idiocy. Take a cavalier on crappy tires running 110 and weaving all over. You know there's an accident waiting to happen. A car with sports suspension running 160 in a completly open fast lane, is much safer. But who gets the ticket?

If the police enforced what drivers already do (ie, the 401 really is 120-130, and if anyone drags their heels in the fast lane, they get THEIR car impounded), you'd probably have the same results as you do now. Maybe even better.

We don't need slower.
We need to impound the cars of idiots who weave in and out with the cheapest piece of crap that is eventually going to go sideways. And definitely destroy the cars of tards that pull out and don't accelerate, leaving huge speed differences. Almost any 'close' moments I have are people pulling out - even when I'm doing the limit - and not accelerating, putting me hard on my brakes.

just as a note, all roads in Canada (highway, local, rural) have a design speed of 20-30 km/h OVER the posted maximum which means after all factors considered (turn radius at design speed, response time to traffic lights, etc.), you can SAFELY go 20-30 km/h over the limit on any road as that is the speed it was designed to accommodate so the argument that traveling at that speed is dangerous is completely moot.

This morning I saw one of thos LED scrolling text licence plates frames on a van. It said "Don't be stupid, let others use the passing lane for PASSING"

People are starting to get fed up, especially when you hit the 2 lane stretch of 401, there will be some idiot in the passing lane not even checking their mirrors, just cruising ignoring the flow of traffic.

Now 150 is fast for the 401 in most areas during busy times, but I see no problem going that fast if you can when the traffic is light and if people would get out of the way.

I was behind someone just doing under 120, I came up on them they were doing 107 or so passing 3 transports. I flash my highbeams at him to hurry it up and he throws his hands up in the air not knowing what I want from him. I've got about 3 cars and a transport all on my ass at this point I want to pass and get out of the way of faster people, but he is causing a potentially dangerous congestion by being slow and retarded. If your going to pass, pass the damn vehicles and get back into the slow lane then slow down.

My point is at any speed the flow of traffic could be much better if people would gain some ethics in using the lanes. I don't really speed either never over 17km/hr over, but if I want to pass and there is traffic coming I bump it up get by and go back to the slow lane, everyone is happy, traffic is moving.

As for my opinion on the new law, there are laws already in place, the courts chose to be lightweights and let everyone off. So this new law is just like a new pair of underwear, it feels good to put on and provides new comfort and confidence.

I could see this law taking a beating in court soon! People are going to contest accuarcy of radar etc. The best part, the police do not bring evidence of their calibrations of the radar equipment to court, you can demand it, when they don't have it. Well its your day in court, case dismissed. They must prove beyond a "reasonable" doubt.

Does anyone realize cops should be calibrating the radars after every use with tuning forks? Do they ever do this, not likely, maybe once in awhile. And as previously mentioned the radars are also calibrated by professionals, which they must provide proof of, if they don't have it on court day don't give them a chance to get it, ask the case be thrown out.

I got another friend to agree to rent a car as well.
I may actually do a KW to Toronto at 100 run
And I'm paying the extra $10 for full insurance.

always a wise choice. nothing worse than dealing with a client who used his own insurance on a rental and then damaged it.

Mike, driving shoulder to shoulder would net you the same treatment as Gord Thompson.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/678348/posts

Only now, your right to due process has been lifted by the government, and they'll probably cite you with oreg 455 3.8 and claim your a street racer. They'll take the rental, hand out whatever fine the officially standard equipment 'dice of justice' tell them to, and your protest nets you media coverage as a public nusance.

I've lost faith this is a process that can be stopped.

Paul

Paul's right.

Mike, they've forseen your protest, and the law has been designed to disable it.

Alright.
So they're apparently crafty little lawmakers

But again we have selective enforcement. If you block the highway, they will charge you for driving too slow, or blocking traffic....but cruise all day long in the PASSING lane at the speed limit, and I have YET to see anyone charged with that...

On one occasion when I got a little close to the guy in front to let him know I wanted by, I was pulled over for tailgating, or "bumper humping" as the cop put it. Meanwhile, the idiot cruising the in the passing lane who CAUSED all the problems just kept on going, he was never stopped.

(I beat that ticket, btw)

I was down in mississauga 3 days ago and a guy turning left in a riced out sunfire with spoiler and black rims and hood scoop performed a burnout. I was on the left lane he must of taken a look at my car and must of seen the intercooler and attempted to prove something something don't ask me what cause I dont get and he goes nuts when he gets the turn signal, I just don't get it sometimes must of been a kid and he burned out with people behind him waiting to turn, once again I hoping a cop was around but nothing.

Periods, Mike. You have to learn how to use periods.

Even the differences in speeds usually isn't a problem for a good driver, Ryan. I can usually tell by looking at a car what it's driver is about to do, which is a real plus since people think everyone else is psychic and don't need to see a turn signal.

As for coming up on slow traffic, I respect them. If they're travelling the limit, or just over, while passing other vehicles that's their RIGHT. The law states you are not supposed to exceed the posted limit even when passing, and *I* am the one breaking the law by driving faster. Patience is required. Too many people look at the posted limit as the speed you NEED to go, rather than a maximum.

That law does actually cover your 'planned protest', although that wasn't it's intent. I'd say the intent was to prevent people from passing you (i), or quickly cutting into a line of traffic that is braking, cutting someone off behind you (ii). If all cars in the lanes were doing the same speed, yet just pulling ahead or behind of each other every so often, you're technically within the law. "I went to pass him, but he sped up slightly. Then he slowed down as I was going behind him. I didn't move my cruise control from 100, because that would be breaking the law..."

when is this cruize taking place?
I think we should do it at 105-110k's

i have probably 3 or 4 buddies that would be more than willing to come along.

Aaron

It would have to be in good weather when people are naturally fast.

And, the more it was talked about, we thought one car would hang back about 3-5 km. Lookout. If it's after the Guelph line, it's almost impossible to find an exit - OR on ramp. Which means the cops have to be coming from behind you.

And if they're coming, the lookout says "Boo", and then all 5 cars pull into a line middle lane. Everyone will go rushing past, and you can just spread out and disappear. By the time the cop appears... how's he going to pick 5 random cars out of a pack?



Edit: P.S - Although, with every move I make, the police seem to have laws against it, which the board members let me know of. Lol.

I'm down for a cruise... also sure i can get a few ppl in on it.. new thread?

We should setup a date and meetup at a specific tim hortons.
Please post if your interested.
It would be awesome to get this going.

Aaron

Yep new thread.

Beyond the law, It's a bit of a paradox though, isn't it?

If you make such a small disruption that the cops can't identify you, will the disruption even be noticed enough to help your cause? You will probably just anger the local traffic, and in a worst case even trigger some accident behind you!

Indeed. The trick is to maximize nuisance, but minimize repercussions. A little too much towards minimize, you do nothing. A little too far towards maximize, and you end up with a bunch of pulled over cars.

The best run would be Cambridge to Mississauga. You need to past the 6 before anyone really can do anything (since it's a major point of entry for police). And if we drive Camb Timmies to Miss, then turn around, come half way back and hit a Timmies, I'll pay at both ends. It's good for a laugh.


P.S. - It would be important to note that I wouldn't cause any accidents. At the end of the day, each driver is completely responsible for their own behaviour. If they do something idiotic and cause an accident, I feel no remorse for some douche getting road rage.

That's weird to think about...
Were planning a mass operation consisting of,
DRIVING THE SPEED LIMIT.

I doubt any accidents will be caused by doing so.

We should definatly have either stickers or somthing on the back of the cars to let people know why we are basicaly herding them.

I doubt we will get any tickets for doing 105..
Not too fast not too slow. just enough to piss everyone off.

Aaron

I'm down for this. We need to get other car clubs in on the action too. I can imagine that the cops will pull over the front runners in fairly short order. Can you imagine the look on the police faces when they realize there's another set of cars willing to take up the cause immediately after.

The best day to do it too is on the long weekend. Because if no one can speed, then they can't hand out tickets. And if they can't hand out tickets, you are hitting them right in the pocket book.

The issue is not what your speed is but the fact that you are obstructing traffic. Years ago a teacher got a ticket on the 401 for doing 117 km/h. He protested by enlisting a friend to drive side by side on the 401 at 100 km/h. They were both charged with obstructing traffic.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/678348/posts

I think that it would be the perfect kind of protest during this period of societal insanity about speed. Just be prepared to pay the price of being a protester.

They can give you a ticket for driving 1kph over the limit, usually reserved for poor conditions or if you're driving like a complete a$$...

Down here, ANY speeding ticket can automatically be a reckless driving charge as well, but that's reserved for the true idiots, and ones that really badmouth the cop...