So there seems to be an interest, and I've been talking to Ziggy, he's going to help out with this to make it easier on all of this.

Timeline:

50-75% Depost in NO LATER than APRIL 4, 2008. PAYMENT BY APRIL 18TH, 2008. After that, Ziggy will place the final order and you will talk to him about logistics.

This will give us all about 2 months to place your orders. ANYTHING YOU WANT GUYS!!!

Place your orders here of what you want.

This is a no bullshit group buy. Shipping and logistics will be handled through Ziggy.

If you're dead serious about this, then give Ziggy a deposit. Otherwise, if you don't think you'll have the money, or "Um.. well maybe... hmm... I'll put my name down but I'm not sure." Don't put your name down.

That being said, let the bidding begin!!!

Also, A MINIMUM $4 donation to the board is REQUIRED on this group buy. Nothing comes for free, and the donation list on the hall of fame is still small guys.

1: Ryan Laliberte - 1G Radiator with fans.

so what exactly are we saving on here ?

Everything. Shipping, border fees, customs, price, you name it. Ziggy will get all the details, but there has to be enough interest.

Anything you go through Ziggy for, especially on a group buy, you end up saving money on. How much depends on the amount of interest here.

Put it to you this way, you aren't going to save much on a rad if 2 other people buy J-pipes, however you will if you have 4 people buying rads, 6 on manifolds, 10 J-pipes, 8 1G FMIC kits, and some 2G Upper/Lower IC piping. Oh, and 1 wants a Tial wastegate.

well id be down for the 1g fmic kit depending on what exactly im saving .....since the shipping cost seems a bit much for such a short distance....

With having till april for a payment I should have no issues.

1: Ryan Laliberte - 1G Radiator with fans
2: Jay McClelland - Mitsu flanged tubular manifold(the budget one), J-pipe

I can't make any promises just yet, but I have had preliminary talks with Extreme PSI. He sells their O2 housings, so he must have an account with them..or with someone who DOES have an account with them...so he SHOULD be able to get me their stuff. I am not sure why he doesn't stock their other stuff? He didn't say. Anyways, he won't want to do this on a regulary basis, or for just a couple of items, but I am PRETTY sure if I bring him a big enough order, he will arrange to get the stuff from PR. I want to go through him, because I will get some sort of discount from retail pricing, and that will be my profit. Basically, I am hoping I can offer the same pricing as PR does, plus exchange, of course, plus shipping and taxes. Shipping to me, I will divide the cost among the items ordered. Obviously, it will be cheaper to ship one large order rather than several small ones. Also, we can arrange pickup from me or delivery to a Yorkdale meet to save further shipping costs. So basically, I will be saving you SOME of the shipping costs, and the dreaded brokerage fees. Thanks Ryan for organizing this. Group buys are always a bit of work..I will let you guys decide when it is time to place the order, and I am NOT going to chase people who haven't made their deposit on time. No deposit, you won't be included in the order. Sorry, but I just don't have the time I used to right now...

There you go guys, the Man has spoken.

1: Ryan Laliberte - 1G Radiator with fans
2: Jay McClelland - Mitsu flanged tubular manifold(the budget one), J-pipe
3: Mike McCallum - 2g upper and lower intercooler piping.

1: Ryan Laliberte - 1G Radiator with fans
2: Jay McClelland - Mitsu flanged tubular manifold(the budget one), J-pipe
3: Mike McCallum - 2g upper and lower intercooler piping
4. Elias Kefalas - 1g FMIC kit...


so the site these are out of stock i assume they will be available by the time we do a group order ?

Punishment racing sells megan racing exhausts, huh?

I'm interested in a MR 3" SS MANDREL bend exhaust.

How much?

let me know!

They only sell the downpipes. Hit up Ziggy for the rest, he has an account with them.

Catback for 2g AWD is $439.95 + shipping to you (if necessary) + taxes

what about the downpipe? they are both MR, so it's a bolt-on install, right? Is a 3" cat inluded, or no?

thx

I believe only the 2g downpipes are cat replacing, so I believe there would be a gap between the downpipe and the catback for the cat. It is not included as far as I know..

Don't know if this will pertain to Megan racing products. But, I find that with alot of pre built exhausts 3" and 2.5". They will come with a test pipe to replace the stock cat. Usually a high flow cat will be extra. So like Ziggy said it will probably be a gap or test pipe.

Hope Im not interupting.

1: Ryan Laliberte - 1G Radiator with fans
2: Jay McClelland - Mitsu flanged tubular manifold(the budget one), J-pipe
3: Mike McCallum - 2g upper and lower intercooler piping
4. Elias Kefalas - 1g FMIC kit...
5: Randy Kuiperij - Mild Steel recirculated o2 housing

I'll get you the deposit mid March Ziggy. And email you back about those other parts too.

I need the 2G aluminum rad with the dual-fans. How much deposit do I need to make to Ziggy?

Please read above.

1: Ryan Laliberte - 1G Radiator with fans
2: Jay McClelland - Mitsu flanged tubular manifold(the budget one), J-pipe
3: Mike McCallum - 2g upper and lower intercooler piping
4. Elias Kefalas - 1G FMIC Kit
5: Randy Kuiperij - Mild Steel recirculated o2 housing
6: Michael Druciarek - 2G Aluminum Rad with Fans
7: Gates Perry - 1G FMIC Kit

Ziggy, please PM me with preferred method of payment.

Ziggy, any word on this?

I have spoken with Extreme, since he DOES have an account with PR. We haven't discussed specifics, but I just told him if I placed a decent order, would he get me their stuff that he doesn't normally carry (he only carries their O2 housings, not sure why he doesn't carry the other stuff). I asked if perhaps he could even have the entire order just shipped directly to me from PR to save shipping one way. He just said it shouldn't be a problem.

I wasn't 100% sure this would go through, so I didn't get too specific. It looks like there is lots of interest, so I will call him and discuss more specifically. I have no idea what sort of discount he can get me on this stuff, and, of course, he wants to make something also....but I am ASSUMING I will be able to match or beat PR's website pricing...and I am sure shipping on one or two large packages will be a lot less than many small ones....so that should be a savings also. Plus, of course, the dreaded brokerage fees won't be charged.

Once I have spoken with him again, I will know more on the pricing. I think FINAL price won't be determined until it arrives, as I won't know the full shipping cost until it is shipped. I will then divide that shipping cost fairly among the orders. I will basically figure it out as a percentage of the retail price, and then adjust a little...someone getting a full FMIC kit might pay a slightly higher percentage than someone getting just a small but expensive item. I will make it fair.

I appreciate the work Ryan has put into this! I think perhaps that should be somehow recognized. Maybe he should get free shipping to me?

Of course, shipping from me to you will also need to be worked out and charged, unless you are picking up. Also, there will be GST and PST, of course, plus I think we should once again ask for a small contribution for the board from everyone taking advantage of this. What do you think of $2/$100. spent to a maximum of $10.?

As for a deposit, Ryan mentioned 50 - 75%, and that would be great. It will be a large order, and I need to pay for it up front. If you are having problems with that, and want to negotiate some "special" deal...perhaps be included in the buy for a smaller deposit, or perhaps have me order your stuff, but not complete the sale and receive your goods until a little later, whatever, contact me by email. Best way to pay is by email transfer. I CAN accept paypal or credit cards, but need to charge you an additional 3.5% for that, as that is what they charge me...

I ask also that all of you do your homework, as I don't know the answers to your questions. Please contact PR or ask on the boards if you need to know something.

I will try to get more info on pricing and logistics and post again

Thanks again,
Ziggy

I agree with you Ziggy. Ryan set it up. I would be fine with me if he doesn't pay shipping. I have yet to make my donation to the board to this year. So I would be cool with 10 - 20 dollars. If everyone else can agree on that.

Thanks again Ziggy and Ryan for setting this up

I'm not fracking special here. I'll pay for shipping Ziggy. I'd take some credit in another way... Ziggy, see my email.

lol still sounds special =] j/k

Has everyone put in orders yet? The deadline is quickly approaching!! Lets get a few more people in here so we can benefit greatly on this.

sorry guys im gonna have to remove myself from the list....after doing some research on dsmtuners.com this kit has some issues as far as install goes....if anyone would like the link to the thread just let me know ..... not sure if all that plan on ordering there 1g fmic kit are aware of this ....

If the problems you are talking about are located in this link I will let people know they were some SLIGHT install issues. Some cutting is required for any FMIC install, and the BOV pipe was a little long and hit the hood. You can rotate the pipe a bit to get it to fit.

The main issues people were speaking of are clearance issues with aftermarket Rads, the J-pipe, and the BOV.

But for $450, a kit that will hold 30psi it isn't that bad of a deal. Any FMIC kit you will get you will have to do some modifications. Bolt on isn't necessarily bolt on if you get my drift.

Just to let other buyers know.

I agree with Ryan. All front mounts I have seen have to cut something.

Any updates on this Ziggy?

I spoke again with Extreme. The reason he doesn't carry more PR stuff is pretty simple...they sell it so cheap, there is no room for wholesale pricing. There is no markup in their stuff!

Anyways, he does get a few percent, and I am really hoping he will give me a few percent as well. I am pretty sure I can match their web pricing, but I WON'T be able to do any better, that is for sure. I WILL save you the brokerage fees, though...and where they quote a price "shipped", that is always within the US, not to Canada. Hopefully I will be able to match that price "shipped", because it will go to my US address, and I bring it across.

He is going to talk to them when I place the order, but I am pretty sure that is how it will go.....and this will be a one time deal..I won't normally be selling PR products (except perhaps their O2 housings, because Extreme stocks them), because there is no margin in it.

I just checked there site. Apparently there is a blow out on J-pipes $59 u.s.d. marked down from $89 maybe I will pick up a deal on those =]

No you won't Jay.

Don't forget shipping/border fees.

Ziggy will probably get them at that price.

Guys, get your orders in!! The sooner we get this done, the better, and I'm anxious for my Rad.

Don't forget, deadline to get your orders/depost in is APRIL 4th!!!

Thats what I meant man. 30 dollars off there regular price. Even though I won't save through the group buy probably. Still less then what there list price was.... I save =] lol sorry man.

No Jay, if you stay with the group buy, you WILL save. Ziggy will get them at the price shown on their site ($30 off) and by the looks of it, he's going to pretty much match the price in CDN dollars on the PR website.

So... You will get your J-Pipe for $60CAD shipped, as opposed to 59US plus shipping to Canada plus brokerage.

Your deal will be about $100 if you don't go through the group buy.

Oh im going through the group buy no doubt there Ryan. I wouldn't go with anyone but Ziggy for new parts. I was misunderstanding that. I was just talking I was expecting 89 for a j-pipe with them being 59. I would be saving 30 on what I was expecting it to be, even if ziggy only got them for the price they were listed on the website.

Don't worry Ryan. lol =]

Hey, doesn't matter to me! I just want you to get the best bang for your buck.

I will be man, Thanks to Ziggy and others on this board. I needs need to get an intake and I will be ready for your front mount =]

I thought it might be appropriate, considering this is a group buy, to ask whether or not the quirks during installation of the FMIC kit have been rectified, such as the upper pipes' BOV flange location causing the BOV to dent the hood and certain parts having to be moved or completely removed like some of the power steering components and/orthe alternator? I've looked through the posts on the site linked earlier in this thread but have not found conclusive confirmation that these details have been tackled...

Would it be possible to confirm directly from Punishment Racing whether or not there are still such install issues with their FMIC kit? I know it's a great kit for the price and there are usually some minor modifications required to certain bolt-on mods, but I'd like to know what exactly will be an issue for my particular install before diving in head first.

FYI I'm already aware that I'll have to cut some metal to make room for the larger diameter of the new pipes and that doesn't seem too hard or costly at all. It's the more intricate details that I'd like to confirm, as mentioned above, and on a side note, it would be great to know if the BOV flange location limits my future BOV selection as well due to clearance issues.

Thanks a bunch!

I personally have not looked into this, and not sure asking PR is the way to go for answers on this. What salesman will tell you "ya, you are right, my product is not as good as the competition"? I would suggest perhaps asking around on a few forums. I am pretty certain if we ask PR they are just going to say "oh ya, all those issues have been addressed".

I thought asking PR might be the way to go because usually a company stands by its products, which helps promote their reputation and increases business. In any case, is anyone registered with the other forums that might be able to ask this question on behalf of our group buy participants interested in the FMIC kit?

^^ Apparently, my home ISP can't create a new member on the other forum because it seems it has been globally banned and I can't create one from work due to restrictions. It would be greatly appreciated if someone could verify the above for us! Thanks!

I looked into punishment through other forums. They seem to be good. They only have people complaining about the bov pipe being a little to long. But if you just adjust the pipe, it apparently works. I haven't found anything else out.

If you want to ask if they have fixed these kinds of issues there site has an email for general technical troubles.

GENERAL QUESTIONS:
TC@PUNISHMENT-RACING.COM

I don't have a login to the sites either so Im unable to post for you.

Thanks, Jay. I'll drop them an email shortly and will post the response for reference.

No problem. Hopefully you get some answers your looking for.

Good luck with the email, they are nothing short of glacial in their response.

lol, Haven't heard anyone use that term in a while.

If you check out there info for the front mount kit. http://www.punishment-racing.com/1gstreetcoreintercoolerkit.html

at the bottom "This kit is guaranteed for fitment, quality and function, you will not be disappointed"

Im sure they are prepared to stand behind it.

EDIT: that is all the more information I have seen on there front mounts.

I just dropped PR an email on our behalf and will include the correspondence in this post in its entirety, including my initial request for clarification, when it returns.

Ok guys, getting down to the wire.

Please confirm whether or not you are in. Deadline is next Friday.

Ryan Laliberte: 1G Aluminum Rad with Fans.

Still in.

1: Ryan Laliberte: 1G Aluminum Rad with Fans
2: Jay McClelland: Budget Mitsu flanged tubular manifold, J-pipe

I'll be giving my downpayment to Ziggy on Sunday.

1: Ryan Laliberte: 1G Aluminum Rad with Fans
2: Jay McClelland: Budget Mitsu flanged tubular manifold, J-pipe
3: Randy Kuiperij: Mild steel O2 housing

Ok guys, so what we are saying is we have THREE people now in on this group buy? What happened?

PLEASE UPDATE! 50% of payment or better MUST be made to Ziggy by FRIDAY!!

Make it 4; Sending Ziggy 3 bills tomorrow when he confirms me in on this.


1: Ryan Laliberte: 1G Aluminum Rad with Fans
2: Jay McClelland: Budget Mitsu flanged tubular manifold, J-pipe
3: Randy Kuiperij: Mild steel O2 housing
4: Luis Arenas: 1g fmic kit

I have not put a lot of effort into this.....I have Randy's deposit. I am ready to place a one time order from PR. I hope there are more than the 4....I will be a little embarassed after telling Extreme I would be placing a "large" order if he was willing to get me stuff on his PR account...

Luis, send the money. I will order whatever has been confirmed by Friday...

You'll get my money on Friday Ziggy.

I have yet to hear anything from PR in response to my questions which has a huge impact on my downpayment. I have sent them two emails at this point and haven't even received a confirmation yet. At least I know the address worked because it didn't bounce back... Maybe someone here has direct contact with the company and can see what the deal is?

I tried calling them a while back, but nobody picked up the phone.

Same here, which is why I thought someone may have been in touch with them other than through their listed business line... Frustrating!

Strange, I ordered the GT35R Power Package from Punishment in December and while it took a while to ship (he had to wait for the turbo to come in), he always responded to my e-mails, and answered the phone when I called.

Also a friend of mine recently ordered a J-pipe from them a few weeks back and received it a few days ago, no issues there either.

Whether or not that was the case then, it does not seem to be now. I have yet to hear from them and I believe it's been over two weeks now.

I wrote them an email asking if they can make a pre cut on the uicp for a maft and Tom (i think his name was) replied to me the next day.

I would shoot them another email if I were you, or maybe your email server blocked it, try adding him to your address book.

Also if it's the worry about the bov flange being too high I've read on DSMTALK of people not having any issues with it, so I'm guessing the issue was fixed.

Luis

I've just sent my third email to them and included both tc and sales email addresses at Punishment Racing. Hopefully they reply before the payment deadline. . .

I just called Tim at Punishment Racing. He's the owner and apologized for the delay in responding due to this being one of the busiest times of the year for his company. In any case, Tim has assured me that the FMIC Kit should be a fairly straightforward install and also gave me a heads up that a fully redesigned kit will be coming out in a few weeks including a modified UIC pipe that he hopes will allow for a Greddy OR stock BOV to be used. Tim says that the new version of the pipe should be made available to those of us who own the older version at a fair price.

In any case, I'm sending Ziggy a PM to make payment arrangements.

1: Ryan Laliberte: 1G Aluminum Rad with Fans
2: Jay McClelland: Budget Mitsu flanged tubular manifold, J-pipe
3: Randy Kuiperij: Mild steel O2 housing
4: Luis Arenas: 1g FMIC Kit
5: Gates Perry: 1g FMIC Kit

Last day today, so I am assuming Mike Druciarek, Elias Kefalas and Mike McCallum have dropped out??

yes, I am out, strapped for cash right now.

sorry guys.

Sent my deposit Ziggy!

Don't forget the board donation guys!

Is this over?
How much for this ziggy?
http://www.maperformance.com/store/product.php?productid=18838&cat=0&page=1

-Manuel

It's not over Manny, as long as you get the deposit in time.

He can match PR price CAD. That's what we're told anyway.

$775. Order is going in Monday morning, I would need a 50% deposit before then

So, when would we expect things to be in? I assume the week after the rest of the $$ is in?

I will know much more after placing the order on Monday....

Would it be too late to add a manifold to the order Ziggy?

I just noticed mine is cracked beyond repair and I need a replacement a.s.a.p.

Budget T3 manifold flanged for a 38mm wastegate.

P.S. I left you a voice message just in case

Order has been placed, but am awaiting a response. I wouldn't do this for just anyone, but will try to add it for my good friend and customer...

Wow, what a guy!

Most of our communication has been by email rather than by phone, but order is placed and paid for INCLUDING Miguel's manifold. He said "The parts will be shipped in a couple different batches." Not sure why, but as stuff arrives, I will contact to make arrangements for shipping or pickup, payment of balances, etc. Gates, he didn't want to take payment for your FMIC kit until he actually has them, but as soon as they are ready, he will let me know and we can place your order.

thanks again,
Ziggy

I'd just like to say Thank you Ziggy and Ryan. =]

Awesome Ziggy. Thank you for the update. On behalf of everyone involved, I'd like to say thanks to you, Ziggy, for going out of your way to set this up and make sure everyone is happy!

I also believe a thank you is in order for Ryan as well for showing initiative and starting this group purchase off!

A big to both of ya!

Thanks guys.

DO NOT FORGET THE DONATION TO THE BOARD!! MINUMUM $4 OR BETTER!

Shotty first batch of fmics arriving at Ziggy's door!

But seriously, thanks alot Ryan and Ziggy. You made all of this very easy for your customers.

We're Ziggy's customers.

Your my friends.

We're not technically your friends until you get into the 11's like you keep bragging about! JK dude

Ouch....

Well, that's if anyone shows up to witness! Reza's already out, so who's next??

I'll be sending my donation to the board within my next couple pays. Probably be sending a little more then 4. Usually try to send 20.

OK, I finally have pricing. I can't do much better than what was first suggested, but I CAN do a LITTLE better. Pricing is at my door in Niagara Falls, Ont. If you need shipping to you, that will be extra. Of course, GST and PST is on top of all pricing, and if paying by credit card or paypal, I need to add 3.5%, as that is what they charge me. I am making almost nothing on this, but this was a ONE TIME deal...

1g FMIC, PR price = $469USD shipped, I can do $460. CDN
1g Aluminum rad with fans, PR price = $249USD shipped, I can do $245. CDN
mild steel recirc. O2 housing, PR price = $159USD shipped, I can do $145. CDN
budget Mitsu flanged tubular manifold, PR price = $189USD shipped, I can do $185. CDN
Jpipe, PR price = $69.USD shipped, I can do $66. CDN
Budget manifold for T3 with 38mm wastegate flange, PR price = $249USD shipped, I can do $245. CDN.

Guys, don't forget to make a contribution to this board...

Also, I DON'T want anyone to contact me and say "hey, can I get one of those also?". This was a ONE TIME deal. The only other PR order I will be placing will be for Gates Perry's 1g FMIC kit as soon as the newer version is available...

Thanks guys,
Ziggy

WICKED, i've been waiting all week for the final damage, and it's not bad at all

Ziggy, I will most likely pick my fmic up at your door when I err 'get the chance' to visit my grandparents...So you may meet a few 'elderly' people as well lol.

Ryan, it says to donate to the board I through Paypal or send through mail to Andrew Bienhaus. Do you know if I can just email money transfer him from bank account to bank account? Recently I've been slapped with fraud and to me this seems like the safest way.

Thanx guys,
Luis

All but one of my donations have been through email money transfer.

The other one was a snowed out peckerhead shout out in where I only took some money back and left the rest to board.

Ziggy should fit right in with that crowd then!

Just kidding Ziggy!

OH HE SAID IT!

lol Just playing Ziggy. you know we all need you =]

I don't think it would be a problem.

Usually what we do for the donation is include it as part of the final price, and Ziggy sends it off to Andy.

That would work too =]

Elderly people..I have no idea what you are talking about. Elderly would be in their 90's right? LOL, maybe can share a Geritol with them or something...
Is anyone on here old enough to know what Geritol is?
Anyways, ya, I can handle board contributions and forward to Andy...

Just thinking..we have quite a few new members....maybe time to dust off the club DSM license plate frames?

Lol, that Geritol sounds familiar but I can't quite figure out.

As for the license plate frames. I was just thinking about asking that. My last set is broken(where they were stored something heavy fell on them. So I will even need another set. =]

Yeah, and I need a set for the "Beater/Backup"

Well, I can bring plate frames to Yorkdale meets, or include with shipments. Price should still be $20./pair, and this will go 100% to Andy.

Geritol was a sort of "energy drink" for older folks...wonder where I can get some??

lol the 90's.

Yeah I will take the plate frames when I pick up my parts from you. =]

You mean we're not in the '90's anymore????

Man, I work in a call center, where people are just generally weird.

Some are stuck in the 80's still.

Do you deal with Americans all day too Ryan?

Today I learned there is one person in the states who likes flock of seagulls still.

HA! Nope.

Although you are one Roadrunner still right? Your Teir 1 for Los Angeles, NY and Houston is here. My girlfriend is on LA.

I work for Hewlett Packard (Again) and we deal with Canadian French/English support.

Sr. Trainer on site for the contract.