I stand by that comment, my true feelings. First of all, when they took the job, they KNEW it was high risk. However, they wanted to dominate others and be little dictators so badly that they took the risk. MOST of the time, they have their way. They are believed in court over honest people, even if they are lying assholes. When something goes badly for a cop and he is killed, in my opinion, no great loss! In my opinion, it is no different than hearing of a drug dealer being killed....I say good riddance.

Yea I've seen and dealt with enough power trippin cops, enough to hate them, though there are the few good ones. Some of them just plain ole biased and racist, but now I'm starting to see more visible minorities which is a good thing. I could recall a few times I been pulled over cause of the way I look.

Here in Markham they got nothing at all better to do, than to follow you around for no reason. There are still the few good dudes though.


I agree with Ziggy, they accept that risk factor when they become a cop so its already factored in.

I remember not too long ago I was standing at an intersection and saw a cop plough right into an old lady's car. He gets out and asks me if I saw her hit him and if I can be a witness. I told him you fuckin just drive into her dude. He ignores me and goes on to look for other witnesses instead. fracking guy!


Guess the tables are turning around:
http://cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090909/090909_street_racing/20090909/?hub=CP24Home

I agree, I hate cops

There MIGHT be the ODD good cop, but the very nature of the system ensures that they cannot survive. They must either turn bad or quit the force....so while there MIGHT be the ODD OK cop at any given point in time, in the end, there will be NONE. They will ALL be bad.
It has been said a million times: power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Police in ontario have absolute power.

ya it does corrupt, and every job I've ever been at has always said "leave your personal problems at home". It seems a cop is the exception to that rule.

A firefighter brings his personal problem to work, he could end up dead, or one of his partners, a paramedic goes to work with tons of his personal issues, a patient could die. A cop goes to work with a personal issue, ever young kid in a nice car gets a bullshit ticket.

Wow, just wow...

I wonder if cops sit around talking this way about car enthusiasts.

I'm sure they say the same thing if a guy in a riced out civic crashes and dies.

"was street racing and deserved it"

And I'm damn sure they joke around about how they gave people tickets. So frack em.

This is also a public forum (as in, anyone can read it), where some of the members were/are police officers. I'm sure some of the rants here wouldn't be appreciated.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like getting harrassed just like the next guy. But, I sure as hell wouldn't come out with a class-less statement that "I won't mourn their loss". These are fathers, mothers, sons and daughters, regardless if they might be a prick to a mouthy kid driving an import. If you really feel that way, keep it to your private conversations instead of posting it on the internet so that all of us get branded as deviants.

Well I personally don't share that opinion / thought with Ziggy.

I am not a mouthy kid, and I dont drive an import. What I say should in no way reflect on you...and thank god I don't get YOUR attitude associated with me! As far as I am concerned Paul Bernardo was also someone's son. Karla Homolka was someone's daughter. So I should only say nice things about them? When they die, I WILL NOT mourn their loss. I WILL NOT mourn the loss of a crack dealer or other serious offender, and I WILL NOT mourn the loss of a police officer. They are also all serious offenders because they ALL EVENTUALLY abuse the power that is given to them.

When you become a cop, you basically sell your soul to the devil. NO DECENT person remains a cop for long. That is my opinion, I am entitled to it, and I have every right to express it. I KNOW this is a public forum, my opinions are no secret. I always say EVERYONE is entitled to my opininon..Anyone who doesn't LIKE my opinion, feel free to ignore it...but DON'T try to tell me not to express it!

Soldiers, who I VERY MUCH respect, and who laid down their lives SELFLESSLY made sure I have that right. It would be an INSULT to them not to use it.

There is no comparison between a soldier and a cop. Soldiers get all the respect in the world, they are the reason we have our freedoms and rights! The cops are the people who are taking out freedoms and rights away! There is a huge difference between the 2.

And I have to agree with what Ziggy just posted, he is right. I think we look at cops as some people to be respected, when they, most of the time, are not. A crack dealer is most likely a father as well. Just because someone has a badge doesn't automatically mean that their life is worth more than anyone elses.

You're absolutely right. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if it may be idiotic. Arguing that drug dealers and murderers could be family to someone else absolutely cemented your point. Good for you! The purpose of my post wasn't to suddenly change your view, clearly your mind is set.

It is idiotic to assume that every drug dealer is just doing it to get rich, but if you are a drug dealer you get labeled as a no down no good fool. Where even if the guy is only selling drugs because he is uneducated and cannot make rent payments and groceries on a minimum wage job.

Me and Ziggy's opinions may vary slightly, but for the part about cops harassing and abusing their power, he is absolutely right. That isn't even an opinion, it's a fact.

To use what these two monsters did to explain how you feel about cops sickens me .... these two pieces of sh!t killed and raped women.

I am a correctional officer I have seen 1000's of cons come through our system and I see the work and the crap that cops deal with daily. The total disrespect for society and lack of remorse for the brutality and pain they inflict on their victims. I salute the officer that has to deal with the carnage seen on our highways and inner city gang feuds....arriving on scene to yet another senseless death due to high speed driving, street racing and gang wars. You are very ignorant to think that this doesn't weigh heavy on an officers mind when he heads out for his shift and that it doesn't affect his decision to write or not to write a ticket or stop a suspicious person minding their own business.

Sorry if it means some car enthusiast's get charged for no front plate, speeding, loud exhaust or emission violations too bad ... sometimes it's the price you pay to play in our sport.

Seriously what has a cop done to you to have such a twisted, prejudice view?

A big part of what you see is the RESULT of the cops work. Have you seen the Rodney King videos? And other videos all over the internet of cops who didn't realize they were being recorded and showed their true colours? In half your cases it is the COP who should be behind the bars, not the person actually there!

You want to know what a cop has done to me? It is not only one. Come one down, I will buy you a beer and TELL you what cops have done to me. They are as SICK AND DISGUSTING as Bernardo and Homolka. They are ALL criminals. Some just have yet to commit their crime...but if they stay cops, they will...it is only a matter of time.

Look at Reza's example above. A cop plows into an innocent old lady and immediately looks for people to LIE for him to cover his ass.....Not a SINGLE thought of accepting responsibility. After all, he is a COP. I say he is a PIECE OF sh!t. This time, it was only the body work on a little old ladies car...but how about if he had killed a mother and her kids...what do you think he would have done? I'll tell you...he would have IMMEDIATELY got some of his buddies to the scene as "witnesses". He is as big a piece of sh!t as Bernardo! At least Bernardo didn't abuse any authority placed in him. Maybe this guy is WORSE than bernardo..

The world would be a better place without them!

Good 'ol prejudism at it's best ... I guess you are no better than the prejudice, racist cops themselves.

The difference between your views and my views is that you paint the entire police force across the world in the same brush. I acknowledge that there are cops who abuse their power, just as there are politicians, lawyers, doctors, military leaders and so on and so forth.

I have no reason to believe Reza's story ... sounds a little unduldged.

and this is just hypothetical scenario as if from a movie or something .... completely irrelevant.



again Bernardo is in for drugging, raping and killing his sister inlaw. And that is not abusing your position?

Perhaps it is..but he was not in a position of "authority" over his sister in law or the others. Also, he is in jail where he belongs. The cops are still strutting the streets.

I would also love to see statistics. What percentage of Doctors abuse their position? Let's compare that to the percentage of cops. Of course, you will never get the real numbers, because the cops are just a government sponsored mafia and the truth will never come out.

I have no reason to DISbelieve Reza's story. Reza has not lied to me before, and has no reason to lie. Cops have lied to me and to the judge in front of me repeatedly....no doubt in my mind who I would believe.

And hypothetical makes it irrelevent? That's funny. That is just the "leading up to" of the crimes to yet be committed.
I guess your way is better..let them all frack us repeatedly and viciously BEFORE we ever question their honesty and motives..I mean, they ARE cops, right? THey MUST be good people?

Funny how they wont apply the same innocent until proven guilty rules to us...but you sure seem adamant that THEY get the benefit of the doubt...

Does everyone think the internet is their soapbox for spewing pure SH!T? Please...

Soldiers gave their lives for your freedoms? Absolutely. Do you think they gave their lives so you can spew hatred from your little corner of the internet?

That's exactly what it is. HATE. From what I can see, you're painting cops with the same prejudicial brush. I'm friends with several cops, the kind of people that don't poke their keyboards with hateful messages and expect people to suck up their crap.

I'm tolerant when I see some of our members use creative terms to describe the police. But you have gone too far, and the concerning bit, is that you don't see it.

Well, a peel cop lied in court and told the judge that he heard me a few blocks away driving with my loud exhaust. Were in reality, i was a few blocks (or even more) at a RED light.

Yes, a RED fking light.

At work, their all nice and friendly and chat you up when they want to unload a patient (just to get out of there), but as soon as both of us are in the public area - they act like your guilty of something. Doesn't acknowledge you or anything.

Is that an asshole move? Yes, big fracking so. Does he/she need to act that way? You tell me.

Personally, i treat others the way i want to be treated. Whether your a cop, my parents, a stranger, CEO, Prime minister - respect is earned, not given away.

I do emphatize with cops, correctional officers, security, paramedics, anyone that serves the public. They got their own sh!t to deal with. Cops on their own, the sh!t that they deal with - i give the props for what they do. And i respect that.

And when a fallen cops/soldier/a public servant, or anyone in general dies, its a tragedy. sh!t i deal with deaths on a daily basis.

How do you react when a new parent suddenly cant take their baby home but instead have to bury their kid? Ive been doing this for years and even then, i cry when i have to bring a kid/baby to the morgue. I cant even begin to imagine what the parents feel like.

Sorry ranting on...

But my point is, i still have mixed feelings about cops (well, Peel cops to be specific). Yes there are nice ones, but the majority that i deal with have a chip on their shoulders.

Whatever. What goes around comes around. Their time will come.

All I have to say about this is;

Who do you call on when your witnessing the following events:

- Armed Robbery
- B&E
- Assault with a deadly weapon
- you have someone following you
- your scared of someone

Our police officers are out day and night picking up the illegal and legal sh!t we have roaming around in our streets destroying our communities and society.

But yes, your opinion is your opinion! So, dont be bitter when one doesnt show up when you call for one in that really bad situation.

No one believed that cops were beating the sh!t out of black people either until they got recorded.

On a somewhat related note, a cop just moved into the apartment above mine. So I'm now living underneath a cop.

Had my first party on Saturday without disturbance. Let's see how long I can keep this up for.

Oh, and I've also had a cop lie to the court, the judge and to myself before in the middle of my plea.

I guess the dumb sh!t didn't know that I requested a copy of his notes months before my court case.

Cop told the judge that there was "significant damage to both vehicles that would easily equate to over $1000 in repairs".

To which I proudly read out his OWN notes stating, "after initial inspection, there does not seem to be any physical damage to either vehicle. Does the court wish to hear more?"

Needless to say, I beat that ticket. Not sure what that cop is doing now but I'm sure he's still writing bogus tickets and lying in court to back them up.

I have no reason to lie/bend the truth. I'm a professional with 3 government licenses so I'm as squeaky clean as it gets as far as my record is concerned.

My only beef here is with Ziggy and his STATEMENT not his opinion of cops, everybody has the right to their own opinion.



This equates to applauding the death of a cop ....that is a hateful statement that should not be allowed on this site.

I got a no seatbelt ticket one time when i was wearing my seatbelt. I kindly informed the officer i was wearing my seatbelt as i drove through the spot check but maybe he didnt see it. He replied that i put it on after i was pulled over. Must have been the end of the month and he didnt meet his quota yet.

I once saw someone break into my beighbours car, and start taking stuff from it.

I called the cops. They came, caught the guy, and my neighbour got his stuff back.

I once had someone break into my garage. I called the cops again. I didn't get my stuff back, but they kept me very informed about what was going on, and who the believed had done it throughout the whole process. I KNOW they tried to nail the bastard, because they were in the area a few times talking to potential witnesses.

I once had a cop pull me over for going 170+ in a 100. (Before the 50km/h over rules, but at the time 50+ over was an automatic court date.) He dropped it to 149 in a 100 for me to make things easier.

I thanked every one of them.

GOD!!!! the nerve of them.

I once passed a cop going the other way while I was doing a third gear log, I was doing at least a 160 kph in an 80 zone ...... for whatever reason he did not even pursue me.

DIE COPPER DIE

My dad got pulled over on his way to work. He went from an 80 zone into a 60 zone still doing 83km/h. The cop gave my dad a 70 in a 60 zone ticket.

Not ALL cops are bad. Its just that the bad ones stand out more then the good ones. Everyone remembers and talks about an A-hole cop for a long time.

Now think about all the sh*t that a cop goes through in a day. The stress, drama, fear, people lieing to them to get out of tickets, etc. I'm susprised some of them don't go crazy. I respect all they do. But hey, there is always a few bad apples in every basket.

Yea believe it or not.... I'll give more detail...

Right near my house, right at kennedy & 14th Ave.

It was a brown desi york region cop, a fuckin paki just like me
Has his sirens on and flies right through the intersection while I was pumping air in my tires, right at the intersection. Slams into the side of the car of an old asian lady making a turn.

I stood up with a "WOW" look on my face. He walks over to me and asks if I saw the lady hit him and if I can be a witness.

I said "Dude you fuckin drove right into her!", while I was laughing at the paki. He walked off and started looking around for other witnesses. Whatever, I didn't give a sh!t and drove off, laughing at the fuckin paki

But yea, I'm not a cop so I could be lying.

What if I told you I know of an OPP officer who drives around with a pound of kush in his cruiser and just blazes away that confiscated sh!t with his buddies
Of course I could be just making up stories...

Whatever.... my point is they are humans too like us regular civilians. Definately not supermen.

Yea they help us when we're in trouble, but isn't that what we pay our taxes for ?
I know I pay my share of enough taxes.

Hey now.... One of my best friends is a Cop, my Sam's in the field, a lot of my friends are cops.

I agree with Reza, and I don't like to be hassled by them.

But we drive annoying cars, what can you do about it. We ARE a nuisiance to society. If it was up to them, we'd all be driving Aveos.


And they suck, trust me.

Yea and quite frankly I don't give a sh!t if your a police officer, a soldier, the fuckin president or Michael Jackson.

I DON'T mourn the loss of random people I don't know. If a police officer dies, boo fracking hoo.
When was the last time you mourned the loss of innocent civilians being killed by soldiers on the other side of the world? Yes random women and children...

Police officer dies and we got to mourn ? Are you kidding me ? I don't remeber the last time I read the news of an officer getting killed in the line of duty, and even feeling sh!t for him/her.

Geez if I mourned the loss of every poor soul, I'd be a damn depressed mess by now

Honda civics with fart cans are annoying, DSMs, along with most other turbo cars sound gorgeous. And with the law it's innocent until proven guilty, but since when is a persons opinion proper evidence for a charge? Murderers and rapists get off because there is no evidence to the charge, a cop "thinks" that we are doing something wrong so he tickets us and we get charged. frack that, frack them.

Then don't bitch about cops, bitch about the system. I usually avoid these threads, because of my career, but you just said it yourself.

Yeah, sure, a few ruin it for the many. I'd like to think that I am fair, and good at my job.

Once again, I'll get flamed for my post, but who cares.

The system has room for the cops to abuse their power, but it's their choice whether they do it or not.

I mean, I could go have sex with an std infested whore, but I don't because it's a moral decision that I have made. Does a cop have to harass people or break the law themselves? no, but they do because most of them don't seem to have the moral compass not to.

The only reason their "opinion" stands up in court is because they are a cop, if they were a regular average working joe, the judge would laugh at them and say "bring me some real evidence". There is no reason, with the amount of crooked cops, and asshole cops that the court system should trust them anymore than a drug dealer. imo.

But of course that doesn't go for everyone, you are an awesome guy, and I am 100% sure that you do not act the way most cops do.

Hey, don't get me wrong, I'm just trying to defend the good cops out there. I know there are some corrupt, sick cops, and believe me, it bothers me probably more than it bothers anyone else. I've seen illegal practices done, and I've reported it. That officer went on 'stress leave' immediately after, and has not returned. (this was years ago). There was the odd cop after that who didn't like me, but I'm willing to live with that in order to stand for my beliefs, and what I think is right. I just don't like this whole 'blanket' we're thrown under as a collective whole.

On that note, I'm also a soldier, and I'm more than willing to fight to the bitter end for what I stand for, and what my country stands for.

Perhaps this throws a twist in things, or maybe it'll help open people's eyes a little. If not, that's fine, like I said, I stand for the rights we're entitled to.

(For those who don't know what I do, I'm a Military Police Officer).

You sound like a GOOD cop Eric. It's nice to see good guys like you cracking down on other colleagues.

We need more of you guys out there . I don't think your being blanketed with the rest of them. We're just talking about the bad guys.

Kind of like after 9/11 when everyone looked at all Muslims as terrorists for quite some time. Hey I'm a Muslim, but definately not a terrorist, nor do I support those extremists in any way. Or like the US going in and blowing up an entire wedding ceremony, cuz they think one terrorist may be present, only to find nothing. But yea who cares about the innocent civilians. They were just Muslims right. That is why I really don't care about soldiers and officers lives.

Same way we have the good cops like you, and the really corrupt ones out there as well, kind of like the extremists.

Hey I've met a lot of good cops and they get my respect when they talk to me with respect. I have also told MANY of them frack off cause of their badass attitude.

I would NEVER bother to call the cops if I witnessed a B&E. They will not do anything about REAL crime..they are too busy cracking down on fart cans. Last time I went to the cops for anything was when I was a victim of an attempted extortion, and they LAUGHED about it...

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/09/10/10824011.html

SUN: The argument was that a charge (under the legislation) can automatically lead to a fine, the vehicle being impounded, possible jail time. The lawyer (Brian Starkman) argued that there's no way to advance a defense under this law.

FANTINO: With all due respect to the court, the defense is to not speed over 50 km/h from the posted speed limit. That's the absolute defense.

Ah ha, the Fantino Defense!!
In practice, apparently, it does not work so well...


On the other subject:
I'm sure I've had some good cop experiences, but they are difficult to recall. I'm also confident that if there were no cops, I would have more bad experiences to recall, in general (my thanks to the good cops).
I won't forget almost being killed by a speeding cruiser, though.
Would you believe that the cop had the nerve to double-back and try to intimidate me, presumably so that I wouldn't lodge a complaint?

I agree with your whole statement. I don't support the extremists, they need to smoke something and chill haha..

but in seriousness, the sad reality that I see is that all these officers and firemen aren't the ones breaking up weddings and events for one terrorist, it's the higher-ups who sit at their office and command these men under them to do so and look like the bad guys some times.