If I have bad rings and want to get around this pressure situation. I read all I have to do is drill a hole in my valve cover and have it run to a catch can ? true ? I know i have bad rings in one cylinder thats 100%, just want to know why im leaking and from where.

I will check the turbo and what Louis said tomorrow if its nice

Jules,

where abouts in Quebec are you?

Im in Chicoutimi

ha, cool, used to live in Roberval years back. A little too far from me to take a drive down though

k Update I just checked the Piping to the Elbow and the intake pipe to the turbo.

brief description:

the Piping where the elbow is and a small film of coolant or oil (still brown ish ) whatever it was. i wiped my finger around and it was on my finger. But like i said a small film.

Where the intake connect to the turbo , i took off the piping there and there was ALOt more oil/coolant. my finger was black. ( very black crusty like oil with like black dots like balls of oil)

my VC also might seem to be leaking on the right half i rub my finger on the seal and its wet compared to the left have which is dry.

here are the pics:

1 and 2 are the elbow
3 is the piping to elbow
4th is intake piping to Turbo Compressor
5th is VC as u can see the oil on the seal

Is all that nasty stuff in the intake piping cause the white smoke ? It smokes only if I sit there for a while mostly. It will smoke, smoke will stop. If I sit parked somewhere for a bit then leave it will smoke white most of the time.


Also checked shaftplay couldnt really pull in or out because couldnt get my fingers in there. But I cant move it side to side or back wards. Turbo was rebuild 70k ago

Where the elbow connects to the Intake there's alot of oil around that square piece. ( on the outside dark black oil/coolant)


Look at my oils / connect everything seems fine. Oil is still Full, Coolant overfill tank is still full.



Oil in my compressor inlet is that because of my dirty ass air filter?

PCV is going to be changed as soon as it comes in the mail

Okay so ya there is shaft play back and fourth in the turbo , non side to side.

I took off the intake pipe and cleaning all the oil out of it and cleaning the filter ill see from there how much oil im losing / coolant, or if its from the past.


if thees shaft play does this mean new turbo needed? will a 16g fit on my stock manifold ? how much would it cost me for one?

Well there's your problem!

I forgot to mention the PCV valve.. If the PCV valve is faulty, you'll be pushing boost from the intake manifold into the crankcase, which definitely contributes to crankcase pressure problems!

Turbo shaft play - a little side to side is OK. There should be no in/out.
If it's turbo shaft seals, it should smoke all the time.

You don't need to drill the valve cover to install a catch can.
Just put the can on the existing breather hose between the valve cover and the intake snorkel (at the turbo compressor inlet).
An in-line fuel filter works well too, but you have to replace it when it fills up.

If you can catch the oil instead of dumping it into your intake, your smoking problem should go away.
It smokes after you sit because you've given time for the oil to settle at the turbo compressor inlet.

Replace the valve cover gasket (including the four spark plug hole gaskets), and the engine should stay clean too.
You should also check the hoses for the oil cooler.

Okay thx alot rob , How long can i beat a turbo like this? I will get a 16g ( price? ) i took off my UICP and cleaned it with degreaser and water , same for the intake pipe to the compressor.

So you think my head gasket is fine ? im leaking alot from my Exhaust manifold i believe then and my valve cover gasket.


Wheres this breaher hose thing ? i see the nipple coming off the valve cover that goes to my MAF i believe.


smoke MOSTLY happens when i start the car and it gets above vaccum ( starts to go into Boost) after a while of beating it lol. theres no more smoke. im assuming the oil is being burnt and there no more, until i sit for a while then it smokes again correct?

where is all this oil coming from tho?

my bad ring ? and if i had a catch can it would go into that instead of my turbo ?

No prob.
The turbo is probably fine.
EVO III 16g I think are under $500 USD now.

I think your head gasket is fine. Like I said a few times, you'd be overheating or at least pushing coolant if there's a cooling system problem.

Exhaust manifold gasket + oil in the combustion chamber = smoke under the hood. Smell that stuff, it will probably smell like fuel and oil.

The breather hose is what you said, but it goes to the intake snorkel (the one with all the oil in it). That's where your oil is leaking from.
It's because of your bad ring, a bad PCV valve, or both.

not just smoke I see that there black wet stuff that came out.


Now what am I losing then ? like my oil and my coolant seem fine lol


okay so instea of putting that hose to the intake pipe i run it to a catch can ?


I just block the hole thats on the intake pipe ?

Is it possible im leaking out of the gasket where my elbow connect to my intake ? oil there also.



Where do u recommend buying an Evo 3 Big 16g? It mounts to my stock manifold and o2 housing ?


Oh i understand how oil is geting into my intake piping, but how is it getting into my UICP? and Elbow?

It's better to put the catch can in-line, but you can block off the nipple on the intake if you want.
Think of it as an air/oil separator. The air drawn into your intake right now contains oil from the crankcase - you want to let that oil settle in the catch can instead of in your turbo/motor.

The elbow / throttle body gasket could leak.

Ziggy (check the user list) can get you a 16g easily and also I think there's a sale on right now at FP or somewhere else. Search around.

okay and i added a question how is it getting into my UICP?

so u mean sumthing like this for the catch can

http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/attac...-make-your-own-catch-can-25-dscf0854.jpg


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/txl146/catchcanpictures001.jpg

The UICP is the next thing after your turbo and intercooler... The oil has to take that path to get into the combustion chamber.
It probably pools in your intake manifold too.

And yes that picture is what I meant by using a fuel filter for a catch can.

k so if i put a catch can ? the oil will automatically wanna drop down into it and the air will continue?


ill look for DIY


Thx alot every one that helped me.

i will be changing those parts for now


Exhaust manifold gasket, the gasket at the elbow and the VC gaskets and add a catch can.


Rob what you were saying is if the catch can doesnt solve the issue then its turbo seals allowing oil to pass?

Turbo, maybe...
PCV valve could be a problem either way too (letting pressure into the crankcase if it's shot - or if there is a lot of crankcase pressure you could get oil into the intake manifold even with a good PCV valve).
Basically, you have to fix your ring to solve this completely.

Wouldnt the catch can solve the issue?


Dont wanna fix the ring cause its a big job and a bunch of other stuff to change with that. ( my engine has 271,000km ) Im going to put a 6 bolt just dont want to know since the engine is running. Want to have a lil fun and have the car running for the summer. Not have both engines in my garage

PCV valve is good pulled it off and tried to blow throw it (side thats in the hose) no air gets throw ( so no air going into VC)

ball sits porperly that means and its good right ?

You're going to go through oil one way or another, that's all

Dont care going through oil really just dont want it to smoke


Went to buy my catch can , washing all piping now


Am I losing ALOT of power? Other then boost leaks that im sure I have

To sum up what I've read, here's a few suggestions placed neatly into a nice, tidy paragraph and list.

Disclaimer: This is going to cost you money, probably a good chunk of money.

Your Exhaust Manifold Gasket is leaking. Change it. While you are at it, replace your Exhaust Manifold to Head Studs , your Turbo Bolts , and your Turbo to Manifold Gasket .

As Rob stated, you are pressurizing your crankcase. This is being done by either the bad piston ring (air is being forced past your rings into your oil pan) or a bad PCV Valve. The first is definite, the latter also probable.

You can blow about 1-2psi into the PCV. Your turbo pushes upwards of 10-12. Just because you can't get air by your PCV doesn't mean your turbo can't. It's a cheap part, replace it.

You aren't overheating, therefore your headgasket is probably fine. You would notice your headgasket leaking if you had more than one of the following conditions:

• Burning white smoke all the time
• Loss of Coolant
• Overheating
• Oil in your coolant
• Coolant in your Oil
• Loss of power
• Coolant Overflow filling quickly from empty
• Low compression in more than one cylinder
• Oil/Coolant soaked spark plugs
• Poor idle
• Low Vacuum

Replacing old gaskets and hitting everything with brake clean, spray nine, and a ton of rags can be one of the best things you can do for your engine. This will help in spotting problems quickly when it comes to leaks.

Your turbo is fine. Get your car up to snuff mechanically before you do any performance modifications.

An oil catch can is designed to "Catch" the oil between your valve cover vent (on the side) and your intake pipe. If you read up on the "Free Mods" on your car, you will find that cleaning your Intake, Lower/Upper Intercooler pipes and Intercooler can free up some horsepower. Your SMIC probably has quite the sludge buildup in it from over the last little while of filling it with oil. Use some Gasoline or Varsol and clean that sucker out! Make sure you wash it out thoroughly and let it dry out. Compressed air blowing onto the fins will clean out any crap that has built up in the fins as well.

On the lower right and left side of your keyboard holds a button around 1-2 inches long and it says "Shift" or has a little up arrow on it. At the beginning of each sentence or when writing a Proper Noun, it is customary to use this key. It is also expected on this board.

Let us know how it turns out!

Thank alot

Okay so today with all your guys help I did the following:

-Took off all piping and sprayed with degreaser/Gasoline.
-Cleaned intercooler with Gasoline.
-Put in a Oil Catch can.

I will be changing the Gaskets that have oil residue near them. Which seemed to be leaking. At the same time I will clean the engine because I will have more room with items off.

I will do What was suggested up top about changing the manifold bolts and turbo bolts.

Shall I use ARP manifold bolts and turbo bolts? Thats if ARP made some for those , or should I use OEM.

Once again Thank you ALOT. I will keep you guys updated in this thread.

So I went for a drive.


No white smoke at all.

Heres what the filter looks like now.



I think my VC is leaking




Question about those filters....when do I change them? When its all dirty? Or can I let oil pool at the bottom? I will be buying/making an oil catch can. Its just Temporary.

Nice!

If you see a good puddle of oil in the filter you should change it.

You don't need ARP Bolts, stock will do fine. I just out those there as a suggestion.
You should also do what Rob suggested by changing the valve cover gasket and spark plug gaskets. Don't forget to put silicone or RTV at the sharp edges!

I will be doing all that

Thanks for the suggestion.


And I put that filter on backwards

Today I got my PCV , Dipstick and oil cap in the mail!

Put them all on this morning.

My little filter thing is doing its job.

Should I route my PCV there also? Or is there no point.

One more thing, I have this hole on the side of my valve cover...any one know what that is and for?

What side? You shouldnt have any open holes - oil will be pouring all over the place.

Put a line on it and plug it back into the intake pipe or to your catch can.

Yes there is a tiny hole in the valve cover, front driver side, and runs to the top of the spark plug wells area. Im assuming this is what your referring to ?

This is to drain any excess oil, that may build up in the spark plug area from a leaky oil cap, gasket or cracked valve cover.

I think he's talking about the tiny hole, which is a drain for the spark plug well.

You would be disabling the PCV by routing it anywhere else.
There would be no good pressure relief at idle/cruise.
Racers do it though (run no PCV, block the intake mani. port and route the hose to the catch can)..

Ya that sounds right guys.

Its the little whole to drain excess oil in the spark plug area.