I see this topic has been brought up several times on here, and on a handful of other sites as well. But this forum seems to have the most info about it, so I wanted to run all this past you all who seem to be the experts. I've read up on this for the past few days, and am getting ready to start sourcing all the parts to make my kit. I wanted to put up exactly what I'm going to be getting, and just make sure that you all agree that I'm on the right path here.

First thing I actually want to ask though, is can anyone specify exactly what year Cobras I need to limit myself too? I've found a whole bunch of different answers to this. 94-04, 94-98, and so on... Can anyone confidently answer this accurately? Part of me has a hard time believing 94-04 is correct, because when I search on Napa's site, they call out different numbers for the calipers starting in 1999. So how can any of them from 94-04 work, when part numbers changed which indicate to me that something has changed in the design.

Example:
97 Cobra - Left Front Caliper - Part Number SDC2424144
http://napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=470&LineCode=SDC&PartNumber=2424144&Description=Brake+Caliper+w%2f+Hardware+-+Left+Front+(Semi-Loaded)+-+Remfd

99 Cobra - Left Front Caliper - Part Number SDC2424216
http://napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=470&LineCode=SDC&PartNumber=2424216&Description=Brake+Caliper+w%2f+Hardware+-+Left+Front+(Semi-Loaded)+-+Remfd

So which of these am I supposed to be getting?

As for the mounting brackets, I plan to get the bracket kit from Ziggy.

Rotors and Calipers I will simply try and find the cheapest source of them that I can. I don't care if they say Cobra or not on them. I'm a hard core bargain shopper so I'll probably be spending a week or so trying to find the best deals I can.

Then I need the lines. My car is a 1G so I'm not completely clear on what lines I need. But from what I gather, I can just buy 2G lines. Again from what I've read, it sounds like they will be able to replace my old stock 1G line without any adapters on the 'master cylinder' side of the line, and they have the banjo fitting on the caliper end on the 'caliper' end of the line. Then just use the standard Banjo Bolt for the Cobra Calipers. Does that sound correct?

This is what I've gathered so far from the few days of research I've done so far. I'm trying to do the research before hand so I don't just come in saying "tell me how to do it k thanks". So I've done a good bit research, but there is a lot of BS out there along with the good info. So I'm just looking for a little assurance that I'm on the right path here because it's sometimes hard to decipher the good info from the BS.

Thanks for anyone's help in advance, I really appreciate it. I just really need to get going on this because my stock 1G single piston stuff isn't too happy with slowing down after trapping 130+

And for fun, here is why I'm needing to upgrade. These stockers are just not working out too well anymore. Look at all those little hotspots...
http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8796&d=1244081080.jpg

I've read that these calipers were also used on C4 Vette's, but have avoided those because it seems like a lot of those have a higher price tag than the Cobra parts, maybe because they say Corvette on them?

Anyhow, I found this, where the guy used Camaro Calipers. Does anyone know if those are the same as the Cobra ones? Might be another option for me to check out to see if they are priced better...
http://www.galantvr4.org/ubbthreads...286049&page=0&fpart=1#Post448720

Welcome - From looking at you NAPA links I noticed that it did not show front calipers for the 2003 Cobra's. I'm pretty sure most people doing the conversion are using those calipers. I will be using 2004(same thing). Are the 99 Cobra calipers the same? I don't know. They appear to be differ by looking in the pics on the site. Will they work maybe - they also use a 13" rotor - so I can't see why not.

I'll put up more info on here as I find out more myself as I continue to research this to death.


Cobra Calipers should be seperated into 2 groups. (94-98 and 99-04).

Dimension wise they are the same. The difference between them is simply the size of the pistons.

Cobra 94-98 = 38mm Pistons
Cobra 99-04 = 40mm Pistons.

Here's a quick link to one example:
http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?p=8176637

So it looks like either will work, just a minor change in piston size.

So I'm pretty sure I have everything sourced out now, except the brake lines.

Can anyone verify exactly what I need for brake lines? Again my car is a 1G. If I get some SS Braided front lines for a 2G, will those work?

Yes, you need the 2g lines

Or an adaptor that is found on FWD rear calipers that converts the banjo bolt to the inverted flare seal. Thats what I use.

I just bought a Baer Track kit (same as the Cobra brakes) that was originally on a 1G and the SS lines included were about half as long as what I needed. I had a set of 2G SS lines that fit perfectly. I'm not sure how the 1G is setup but I think there's two seperate flex hoses with a bit of hard line in the middle mounted to the knuckle. The 2G line should work though but you will need to figure out how to mount the bracket to the knuckle.

I am no expert here, but I have a set of lines that might be exactly what you are looking for. These were "specials" made up for people putting 2g calipers on a 1g car. $159.95.

Would any of you be willing to take pictures of what your lines look like?

From what I'm gathering, the "master cylinder" side of the lines are the same. They are a female fitting.

Then the caliper end is what is different. The 1G's have a fitting, while the 2G's have a banjo style.

It also appears the 2G lines are quite a bit longer.

Anyhow, I can't find any good pictures of these. So if anyone has pictures, please post em up!

So just to make sure I understand you correctly. All this is a a little adapter fitting that screws right into the caliper, and allows normal 1G lines to work, no 2G banjo style lines required?

Well I just put in my first order. Picked up a set of Cobra Calipers, Banjo Bolts, and Pads from here for $262 shipped. That site right now appears to have stuff on clearance, and has the best prices on Calipers I have found. Better than Ebay even.

http://www.buyfordracing.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=671cPath=6

I could have saved $30 by just getting their Bullitt calipers, but after a long hard thought, I just don't want a picture of a pony on my car. So I spent the $30 to get the Cobra ones

Next I will be purchasing the kit from Ziggy, and then start looking at which Rotors I'm going to go with, and lastly figure out the line situation.

Just purchased the kit from Ziggy.

Correct, it an adaptor that is used just on FWD rear calipers to convert banjo to a 1g front flare fitting. thisway you can use your existing 1g lines

Mike,

Is this an OEM part or an Earls part? Would you by any chance have a part number?

Thanks,
Ziggy

MB004539 Joint, Rear Brake Tube. Discontinued @ Chrysler.

I just ordered up a set of 2G front SS brake lines for 40 shipped. We'll see if they work.

Also that fitting your reffering to, is that a FWD 1G or FWD 2G?

Well I just went through caps and found they come on the 1G FWD. I'm going to call up our local Mitsu dealer tomorrow and see if they have any.

Here is a picture from CAPS that might help someone in the future.

http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8824&d=1244773221

I'm piggybacking on your research Where did you buy the lines?

http://gtautosport.com/

They don't have much of a site. But you can email them at
LeoLam@infintrading.com

They sell complete line kits on ebay also:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/SS-Brake-Lines-Mitsubishi-Eclipse-94-95-96-97-98-99_W0QQitemZ260413603505QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3ca1dc3eb1&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1262&_trkparms=|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A30

I didn't want the full kit though, as I'm trying to focus only on the fronts right now, and compare the cost of making this kit vs. a Baer kit, and I don't believe the Baers come with rear lines.

Good thing about these lines is they have an outer layer over the SS Braiding to help protect them from dirt entering them.

And again, at this point, I am NOT 100% sure that 2G lines will work. I have a feeling they may be too long (which I suppose is better than too short ha). So we will see once they show up.

Otherwise, that fitting they are referring to, looks like it comes on 1G FWD rear calipers, as well as older Mirage rear calipers as well from what I've seen searching CAPS. I'm going to see if my local mitsu dealer has them. If not, I like 1 mile from one of the largest junk yards in the Twin Cities. I don't work tomorrow so I may go out there and crawl around and see if some galants or diamantes have those also. Because if that works, then you can just keep your stock lines, or just upgrade to 1G SS lines, that is as the stock lines reach the new caliper hole...

Good luck, I hope some of this helps you out. It would be nice if there was just a VFAQ somewhere on how to do this. I find myself scouring a few different boards, and a few different threads, to find all the info. No single thread has ALL the info, in detail, to do this that I've found thus far. So this should hopefully help someone someday hopefully.

Have you boughten anything yet?

Also, looks like my calipers have already shipped That was quick!!

Mitsu still carries those fittings, but they are $25 each. So if I have some spare time today, I'm just going to go rummage through the junkyard and see what I find.

There used to be lot of info on this board before it got an overhaul some time ago. Nick, the guy who originally made the brackets many years ago fitted Boxster calipers on his car, those were massive.

I've been eyeing this upgrade for a while, but never got around to it. You got me thinking about it again, so I ordered a set of calipers yesterday and they show shipped this morning.

Let us know how the lines work out.

Will do. The lines are supposed to ship out today.

Just got back from the junk yard. They had 3 Galants and that was it for Mitsu's

According to my research, they should be UNDER $17. USD each. I think I will order a couple in.

Our local dealer here is a sponsor of our forums, and our "club" gets a discount there. That's what they quoted me at. Wierd.

Anyhow, the difference between purchasing the fittings, or just 2G lines, is about equal. So hopefully these 2G lines just work. You guys should start selling the lines along with your brackets

Actually, If I could get all the proper feedback, I would LOVE to piece together a COMPLETE kit...with calipers, rotors, lines, AND the screws needed to install them. so far, no-one who has bought the kit has gotten back to me afterwards with the exact length of screws needed...

I think we definately need some sort of cost effective brake kit for 2gs. Is the cobra swap easier or harder on 2g? We already have the lines....
What do you guys do about the dust sheild when you get bigger brakes? I broke a bolt trying to get mine off BEFORE realizing the hub is in the way. Now that side that is oppisite the caliper isnt secured and rubs the disc and is annoying. I dont feel like going to the trouble of taking the hub off to drill the bolt out though. But yeah with bigger brakes do you even run a sheild?

Mike I dont run a shield with my "small brakes"
I have yet to exceed the limits to go to a larger brake so I am still running stock sized, abet Powerslot rotors, SS lines, and Hawk HP+ pads.

From searching I've seen people both cut the shields, or just remove them completely. I personally plan on just removing the things.

Ziggy, I'll keep posting up everything I find, in here. Hopefully it'll help.

On my local forum I'm keeping track of everything I've bought, from where, and how much I've paid. When I'm done I'll post all that over here if you'd like.

But I hear ya on trying to find the proper feedback. No one spot has all the info. I've probably spent a good 40hrs. researching the topic, all over the place. And am hoping to be able to get all the info in one spot. Then write up some sort of VFAQ so everyone can see the info in one spot from here on out.

It shouldn't really be all that different. You'll use the same components, except for your brake lines may differ. If I find out my 2G lines I bought work, well then hell you might not even need lines.

Im going to start looking at the brake threads on tuners when Im bored. They always help!
Whats the con to no dust shields? Like they are there to keep the backside of the brakes clean. If you remove them they are going to be a mess all the time. Next time the wheels are off I might just cut the one side so I can slide it off. The rubbing noise gets annoying. I just figured its one of the things the car came with so it should be left that way.

I've searched Tuners, Talk, Link, my local forum, here. I've been looking everywhere. There is info out there, just gotta dig for it!!

the best way to come to a stop quickly is to not weigh that much to begin with. 2gs already have pretty good brakes. try ceramic materials, your rotors will glow in the dark.

In order to come up with a cost effective setup is to custom fit a popular application to our cars. preferably from faster, heavier cars: ie mustangs, f bodies, corvettes, supras, etc...

you only need to manufactures adapters (aka caliper brackets). It's not as easy as it sounds though...

My dad actually aquired a milling machine for free but its not running yet. He used to be a machinist. Can you say free adapters anyone

I'm curious how the Ziggy brackets came to be the way they are. There was someone on another forum selling an entire Cobra brake setup (minus the lines), and his adapter brackets looked completely different.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc310/bh_4000/forsale/brake1.jpg

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc310/bh_4000/forsale/brake2.jpg

And hey thanks a lot. Bring up free brackets AFTER I already buy some j/k

Mike, if your dad is willing to do these for free, boy, have I got a job for him....and i hope his free milling machine is a CNC..LOL

Anyways, Not sure about those others in the picture. They almost look like aluminum? I know the "raised" portion around the holes....that is what the spacers in my kit are for. It is just a lot cheaper to make them with spacers instead of machining away everything BUT that area from a much thicker piece of steel.

I think they just didn't cut out the outside shape the way mine are..you will probably find the hole spacing is the same.

These were originally designed by Nick Boers, our resident brakes guru and mechanical engineer. He got too busy to make them, or lost interest, or his priorities changed....either way, he gave me the design and permission to make them using his info.

My dads got about 6 CNC machines and is very experianced, but he doesent work for free,
I asked him abuot adapters, and he just said buy em, its not worth the time for a small QTY.

I dont even know much about the machine we have other than the fact its not running yet. Who knows when it will be. I think it d be neat to make these things but who knows if we can or when it will be ready, more of a thought than a reality. If that could ever happen you guys will know about it

I think Brian's dad hit the nail on the head. You have to be making larger quantities of these parts to make it worthwhile. It is ok to do one as a favour to a friend every now and then...but I don't anyone who can afford to work for very long making small parts at the pricing our parts bring.

Anyways, Mike, if your dad needs any help getting the machine going, maybe I can help out..Is it in the garage? Is it 3 phase power, or single phase?

Oh I guess he said the motors are 440V and we dont have 440V. Thats all he told me.

Ziggy, just wondering if you know if mine ever shipped out.

Brandon,

yessir...there was a bit of a shipping mixup, things were delayed a day...so I sent them UPS from NY on Friday night.

Do you want tracking info? Should I pm it to you?

Mike...so if it is 440, I am guessing it is 3 phase powered? Is your dad planning to switch the motors, or is he going to run 3 phase power? You can get a phase converter to generate 220v 3 phase from your household current, and then a transformer to step that up to 440. I assume the machine came from the US? 440 is very common there, very uncommon here.

Lol I know nothing about it. His friend bought some shop full of junk and this was one of the things he hauled out of there. Theres a hoist sitting in there too but its under the floor unfortunately. Im shure he can get it going, wanting to spend the money to is another story...

Sure if you have tracking info, might as well.

1st pieces showed up at the door today

http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8845&d=1245116172

Looks like my brackets should be here Thursday

Brake lines came in the mail today. Test fit them onto the caliper. The banjo hole is the correct diameter for the cobra banjo bolt. What I did find though is that the fitting isn't "fat" enough. So I will need to shorten up the banjo bolt, and maybe tap a few more threads onto the banjo bolt. Kind of a bummer, but in the end it's a pretty minor issue.

I also checked out ebay, and saw these bolts for the cobra calipers:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Must...em19a5744ca6&_trksid=p4506.m20.l1116

Those are different than the ones I got from Ford Racing Parts. The ones in that auction would work perfect because the distance from the top threads, to the bottom of the bolt head, looks like the right distance. The ones I have, that distance is much larger.

http://www.buyfordracing.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=509cPath=6

Those are the ones I bought from them. You can see that the threads kind of die off,but it's still kind of threaded, well that part won't thread into the calipers, and is the root of the issue. If it was threaded all the way up, it'd work fine.

But I'll just see if I can modify this one and just run it.

But if anyone else out there is ordering parts, I would recommend NOT buying the banjo bolts from where I did.

Well went to the local auto parts store (called Checker/O'Reilly). They had some M10 x 1.5 x 22.8mm banjo bolts. Bought two of them for 10.65 after tax. These ones look like they are going to work perfect.

Checker/O'Reilly Part# - 13940
http://shop.oreillyauto.com/ProductDetail.aspx?MfrCode=DOR&MfrPartNumber=13940

So lesson learned. Don't buy the banjo bolts from the Ford Racing shop as they have some goofy threading that won't work. Instead, just go to your local parts store and get some

http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8877&d=1245199156
http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8878&d=1245199229

Finally made a decision on Rotors. I ended up just ordering a standard set of blanks from my local Napa. Not sure if you guys have Napa in Canada, but IMO they carry the highest quality stuff of all the regular parts store chains. They price matched one of the competitors, so they will be 39.99/ea. I could spend more on better ones, but these guys are right down the street, and I have a feeling I'll end up warping whatever I use. Once I can't resurface these anymore, they're cheap enough that I won't feel bad when I have to replace them.

That is hopefully it for parts that I need.

Brings this setup I ran to a grand total of $548.25 USD, and that is after all tax/shipping charges.

Compare that to the Baer kit which the cheapest I've found is 859.99, and that's BEFORE tax and/or shipping. Probably over $900 after that is taken into account. Over $300 in savings!!! That is as long as it all works out, and I don't have to buy anything else, ha

I'm going to be gone for work for awhile, so it may be a few weeks until I get this installed, but I'll share install pics and details when that time comes.

Here's the calipers I bought:
http://napaonline.com/MasterPages/N...ption=Brake+Rotor+Only+-+Front+-+Premium

But again, they price matched Autozone's rotors, so I'm getting them for 39.99/ea.

What car where these rotors for? I recall some using 300M rotors. Do the brake lines look like they are the correct length?

The rotors are from a 94-04 Cobra. I told the parts guy to get me some for a 95 Cobra.

As for the lines, I'll let you know when I know more. I don't even have the mounting brackets yet so don't know exactly where the calipers will end up.

^^^
The 300M rotors are 11.7", I have them in the Mustang GT PBR calipers.

I think those might just be jobber replacement for Mustang Cobra?
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Yep, I forgot to press Submit

Looking good. Keep us informed please, ESPECIALLY on the length of bolts you are going to need for mounting the calipers and brackets

Yeah. I got the bracket kit in the mail today. For some reason I thought it was going to come with the mounting hardware, oh well. So looks like there will be some more money having to be spent on fasteners, which is pretty minor though. I'll see what I can grab from work, and but whatever else I need to buy. Also the brackets, are they made of carbon steel? I'm a bit worried about them rusting, as it looks like some surface rust is already forming. I do powder coating out of my garage, so the next time I do something I think I'm going to coat these so that they don't rust.

So yeah, got the kit in the mail.
http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8880&d=1245371943

Got the rotors from Napa just a few minutes ago.
http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8879&d=1245371943

So all I need is to start installing it, and figure out what hardware to use.

I will keep updating as I progress.

Brandon,

I was pretty sure I had told you I don't include the bolts, and the whole reason for that is no-one has ever gotten back to me and told me exactly what lengths were needed. Everyone tells me they will let me know when they do their install, and no-one ever does.....I am counting on you!!

I don't know if it is hard to find metric hardware in the US? In any case, let me know please. If you want, I will re-imburse you the cost of the bolts ...

Nah no problem. US Standard sizes are more available here, but I wouldn't say metric is hard to find. Everwhere has it, just not quite the assortment of the standard stuff.

We have a good supply of metric stuff at work, except it's all just zinc stuff, not SS which I'd prefer. But I can atleast size up everything with the stuff from my work, then just get the SS stuff from the hardware store.

I'll let you know!

Ziggy, do you have any pics of these brackets mounted? Just wondering which way they are supposed to go on exactly.

Don't use SS, its brittle and will snap. Stick to a grade 8 or 10.9 bolt. The stuff at work is probably better.

SS is pretty, not strong. Just because its expensive doesn't mean its better.

Ziggy, i still owe you that info........lol. I think mine are a bit long. Next time my wheel comes off (and i remember ) i'll get them for you. Brandan might be more reliable.

We quite a bit of SS hardware on our cranes here at work. If it's strong/safe enough to move nuclear fuel, then I'm sure it'll be good enough for my brakes.

The reason I want SS is so it will never rust.

Mike, you are probably one of MANY who were going to get me the sizes.

maybe you can get brandon a pic of them installed....

No pics, or even a cheap MSPaint diagram showing which way these things go?

^^^
I'm guessing they will only fit one way..
Line them up to where your stock caliper brackets mount up at.

it should also help to figure out which holes are tapped in the brackets and the calipers and where the bracket mounts. Tapped holes in one part will line up with NON tapped holes in the other.

Mike, were you able to get a pic?

I held them up real quick before I left for Omaha, and really they could go on 4 different ways. Obviouslly only 1 way is the right way. 2 of the holes are tapped so I'm assuming those are the ones to use to attach it to the stock mounting points. Now you can line up the 2 tapped holes 2 different ways. One way is going to be upside down, but I'm not sure which way that is yet. Then, you can mount it on the outside, or the inside, of the stock mounting points. Which is it, out or in? And which way isn't upside down? I don't know. Rather than try it, then find out it's wrong and re-do it, possibly up to 4 times, it'd just make it that much easier if there was just a picture and/or diagram of how exactly they go on.

Which way are you "supposed" to put the bolts on? Head towards the engine or head towards the wheel?

I'm in Omaha for work for a couple weeks, so I can't just go in the garage and try things, which is why I'm asking. I may get to go home for a couple days, and if I do I have a lot of crap to try and finish, this being one of them, and I'd like to just be prepared so I can go and knock this out as quickly as possible without dilly dallying around.

Pics/Diagrams, anyone???

There are some nice pics on this thread : http://www.ca.dsm.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=184306&fpart=7

^^^
Oops.
I knew about that thread too, sorry, Brandon.

I guess the moral of this story is: Search!

That link didn't work for me... This one seems to work:

http://www.ca.dsm.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=184306

Good pics, thanks!

Well I got to come home for one day. Didn't get much done, but got a little done.

Here's the pics after I ground away some of the dust shields, and put the brackets on:
http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8908&d=1246150421
http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8909&d=1246150435
http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8907&d=1246150421

I used M12 x 1.75 x 25mm WITH a lockwasher. Here is the back of the bracket to show how this length worked, but remember there is also a lockwasher being used:
http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8910&d=1246150435
http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8911&d=1246150445

The length worked good, but I'd think 30mm length would be ideal. Lowe's didn't have 30, so I'm going to stick with the 25mm. The next length they did have was 35 which seemed to be a little too long, they stuck out the back a tad too much for my liking. the 25mm had probably 3-4 threads into the bracket which should be fine, but if again, ideally I think 30mm.

So, there ya go. In my eyes, a 30mm length (With a lockwasher used) would be the ideal length.

I tried using some 35mm length ones for the Bracket to Caliper bolts. They worked, but only went in with only a couple threads. There is a lot of room to thread in these calipers. So I'm going to try to get my hands on some 40mm or 45mm, both will probably work fine. Either of those in my eyes should work perfectly. And again, that is with the use of a lockwasher under the head of the bolt. Just with the spacers, the 35mm are just barely hanging on, too short IMO. But I left them in just for the time being, and to get a nice pic of everything mounted up
http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8912&d=1246150445


Some other misc pics:
http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8902&d=1246144436
http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8906&d=1246144464
http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8903&d=1246144452
http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8904&d=1246144452
http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8905&d=1246144464

cool

Awesome Brandon!

Any chance of a kit available from you Ziggy in the near future?

I can't express enough how this thread is lessening my headache of putting together a decent kit that actually WORKS.

Thanks Brandon!

No problem! I'm back in Omaha now. So this won't be able to be finished until next weekend. And I'll post up more pics after completetion in a week or so.

Ok. working on this, I have another question. I know for the 2g rear camber adjusting bolt kit it was recommende that I use grade 10.9 bolts, NOT grade 8.8. How about for these kits? Do you think the better bolts are necessary, or is it overkill? Is Nick Boers ever on here anymore? would love his opinion on this.

I personally used 8.8. I can understand the desire to have 10.9 bolts on upper control arm mounts. But IMO I wouldn't feel it to be neccessary on these bolts. It's not like 8.8 is pure junk...

But then again, I'm a software engineer, not a mechanical engineer, so in the end I'm no expert on the matter.

My 2 cents

Well I'm home. Time to get back at it !!

I ordered the bolts today, and ordered grade 10.9. I am thinking they are about 50% more money, but still peanuts in the big picture, and better to err on the side of caution.

I AM also working on a complete package INCLUDING the calipers and PowerSlot rotors....but it will still be a little while..

Ziggy your going to end up tempting me to buy something else !!
I better wear my brakes out quick

Well I picked up 4 M12x1.75x40mm bolts for my bracket to caliper bolts. Here is a picture of what this length looks like with a lockwasher uncompressed. About 6 threads. Should be 7 threads once that lockwasher is compressed. I feel good about the length, but if done again I'd probably go with a 45mm.

http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8925&d=1246585134

So again, I'm no mechanical engineer, but just using my mechanical judgement, I'd say the ideal length bolts if using a lockwasher are 30mm for the bracket mounting bolts, and 45mm for the caliper bolts.

Good to hear man. I suppose if I was a vendor, I'd do the same just to be safe. At the hardware store here, the 8.8's were 1.40, and the 10.9's were 1.90. I'm just thrifty like that

What lengths did you end up getting?

Well the 40mm worked out pretty damn good. I'd still go with a 45 if I were to do it again, but really IMO you're fine either way.

I'm 99% done with the install. Only thing I have left to do is clamp (ziptie, clamp, whatever) the brake line somewhere in the middle. I'm not going to do that until I get the tranny and axles back in though. Oh and I suppose bleed them. My brake fluid is ancient (probably stock stuff from 1991 still). So I bought some standard off the shelf new fluid I'll be throwing in.

Also someone mentioned that their spacers weren't perfect. Mine weren't either, but they were damn close. I'm guessing every car might be a hair different so I'm not suprised I had to modify them slightly. On mine the spacers worked perfect for the bottom bolts, and "OK" for the top bolts on both sides. I'm sure they would have worked fine, but I just wanted to make sure I had that caliper as perfectly centered on there as could be. I ended up sanding both top spacers down about 1/32 of an inch (not sure what that is in metric world), which is barely anything. And now I think they are looking damn near perfect. So don't take that as me knocking the kit. Overall I'm pretty happy with the kit, and on something like this no one should be suprised that you may need to shim things to perfectly fit your specific vehicle. Only question I have, which Ziggy can probably answer, is if there is a reason the brackets are made of carbon steel? Aluminum or SS brackets would look a lot nicer and would not rust. I will be powdercoating these this winter when the car is stored to prevent rusting, but just thought I'd ask as I'm not a metal expert.

Also, these 2G lines worked out perfect in my opinion. So might want to consider those if your making a "complete" kit Ziggy. I wanted to add, that I better be getting 50% of all your profits you make on your "complete kit" now for all this info J/K

Here's some pics:

Brake line removed:
http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8926&d=1246593644

2G braided brake line installed:
http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8927&d=1246593644
http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8928&d=1246593674

Inside caliper gap:
http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8929&d=1246593674

Oustide caliper gap:
http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8930&d=1246593707

Thanks for the info and excellent pics Brandon. I'm in the process of gathering the remaining pieces.

BTW, for those interested, the brake line vendor (GT Auto Sport) is local (Ontario). I got the front 2G lines and he threw in a 1G clutch line for $45.20 CDN shipped.

Yeah I did notice that my tracking info from them showed it was coming for Canada. Perfect for you Ziggy if you're going to make a complete kit.

Haven't bled them yet, but I got the tranny and axles all installed. So just threw a wheel on sorta just to see how they look. Me's a like

http://www.mitsustyle.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8932&d=1246654239

And they are on, bled, and the tranny is in and the car moves under it's own power and idles like a champ

I backed it out of the driveway and it stopped when I hit the brakes. So apparently they work that good so far

OK well I just created a big write-up for the DSMTuners tech area (yeah yeah, tooooners). But figured it'd be a good spot to just put together a nice article on how to do it. I'll link it back here once the mods approve it. Hopefully brings you some business for that bracket kit Ziggy

Thank you. Actually, just out of the hubcentric rings, but getting more made . The bolts aren't here yet, but are on order. I have also ordered a couple sets of calipers, and ONE set of powerslot rotors (this stuff adds up....I can only stock so much)..so KIT should be available in a week or two...

50%?? for 50% you have to provide a lot more than info, LOL.

Reasons the brackets are steel instead of aluminum or stainless:
a) aluminum is NOWHERE near as strong. They would have PROBABLY needed to be a lot thicker. I am also not a mechanical engineer, but I believe Nick Boers (who designed these brackets) is. I would NOT want to be responsible for one of these failing.

Stainless..a nice ideam but a LOT more expensive. A LOT more to buy the material, and machining is about 1/3 the speed....so cost would be driven up considerably. Powder coating is a CHEAPER option, and lets everyone "customize" in terms of colour.

Do you think perhaps I should make the spacers a little shorter, and maybe add a couple washers for each to the kit? Maybe so that spacer alone would be more or less what you ended up with, and spacer plus one washer would be more or less what they are now? First kits were sold without spacers, guys used stacks of washers, and these spacers were made to match what was reported back to me on the washer height that was needed.

I like how you Canadians spell it "colour"

I was kidding about the 50% too, ha.

I personally think the spacers are fine as they are. I do a lot of Field Service work with my job, and not matter how good the engineers design it, when you have components that need to line up perfectly on our machines, shimming is always involved. I personally see this as being the same. The bottoms were pretty much dead on, the tops were a nut hair too long. Not a big deal to me. I'd prefer a spacer that gets my 99% there and I simply have to shim it, over having to buy my own stack of washers and figure it out that way. I think your kit is pretty good. Again the only "comment" I had on the kit is the material the brackets are made of because I try to keep my car as rust free as possible. But I will just powder coat them this winter and that should take care of that!

I hear people mentioned you have to 'bed' new brakes. Not really sure how to do that, but I'll just cruise around today and try to break them in however.

Hopefully all goes well

Brandon. just to be clear...I didn't take any of your comments as criticism. I appreciate the input. I try hard to please my customers, and am just trying to figure out what best suits them.

Cool man. Yeah I'm not trying to criticize. Overall the kit was great IMO!

I drove about a mile today. Did some from 40 stops, and a from 70 stop. They are still bedding in I think. I also may bleed them again. Sounds like my drivers side caliper is rubbing though, so I will have to look into it centering it a little better.

Well I got to test out these puppies at the drag strip this weekend. They worked great on several 130mph+ trap speeds. A huge improvement over my stockers.

So I'd say I'm pretty happy with the setup!!

Glad to hear

Awesome news...and is it safe to say that the countdown is now on for a ZiggyKit?

Brackets are here, spacers are here...

bolts are on order...should be at my suppliers by now, just need to pick them up.

Hubcentric rings, I just ran out....should have more by end of the week.

Calipers are here !!

Powerslot rotors are here, don't have the other rotors I plan to offer yet..

Still need to look into the stainless lines...but we are getting very close..

Apparently Altima rotors which have a slightly smaller diameter (12.5") will fit without the hub-centric rings:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/handling-tech/184965-bargain-basement-big-brakes-8.html