The invasion was my first time at the drags when I actually raced. I had no idea what I was doing, the first run I ended up getting 17.4 and the second time I got 17.0

If I went again I know I could have gotten 16.5ish...

Is this normal for a stock 1g tsi awd? Or is there a possible boost leak or something else?

I think it's lower, around the 15second mark. Inexperience plays a big factor when drag racing. Practice makes perfect, so just keep practicing.

Okay thanks =) Any tips? When should I shift? What rpm to launch at?

What was your 60'?

Wow. Yes, that's quite high for a 1G AWD.

I ran 15 flat on a stock 1G FWD in the 1/4 at 15psi

Post up your slip.

I heard awd stock should still get a 14.-- fwd's are usually low mid 15's There are alot of factors that play into your time. My first time was 18.25 in a neon.

This year will be fun chasing 13's now for my fwd.

You probably just bogged the launch and had boost leaks. Those are two things anyone can always practice fixing!

Slip #1 -

R/T .574
60 2.654
330 7.477
1/8 11.263
MPH 66.26
1000 .000
1/4 17.208
MPH 84.13

Slip #2 -

R/T .678
60 2.754
330 7.426
1/8 11.171
MPH 67.08
1000 .000
1/4 17.042
MPH 84.15

Boost is at 13psi according to my gauge. I don't have a turbo timer or anything like that.

That 60ft is worse than a bad run in my FWD!
You just need some practice to not bog the launch.

I bench race that if you fixed just the 60ft, you'd be a low 15.

Alrighty What should I have it around?

Somebody told me something about "hacking" my stock intake. What did they mean by this by the way?

Ugh..

RT .698
60 2.345
330 7.987
1/8 12.578
MPH 57.35
1000 .000
1/4 18.81
MPH

RT .725
60 2.452
330 6.902
1/8 10.577
MPH8 7.27
1000
1/4 16.25
MPH 87.27

RT .551
602 .432
3308 .072
1/812.351
MPH63.75
1000
1/4 18.28
MPH 77.68

Are those your times? Also are those your first 3 runs ever Brian?

Yes first time... It was just pitiful, got to start somewhere. Broken linkage(2nd run I managed to kinda zip tie it together so I could get it in, but that just broke), hitting crazy high boost for my setup. Last run I took the boost controller out completely.

Substantially better numbers comming soon!!

I wish you luck, I hope I can get something good too. 14 would be perfect for me but it's going to take quite a bit of practice.

I was expecting to look a the time slip and see 14 something and BLAH a 17!?! I almost drove my car into a pole :S

I think I saw that you hit fuel cut.

When do I hit fuel cut?

Also anybody know where I can buy a cheap boost controller in Hamilton?

You don't, Rob. That only happens when the boost is up too high.
Do some research about free mods and first mods, there is lots of information on here and also in a google, to get you started.

Okay, thanks. I'm going to check it out now.

After 15 psi on stock injectors and pump gas.... Like me

Ive been told to run up to 20 21 psi on race gas,
OR 17 18 with a reqired pump

But I'm just going with larger injectors and a matching eprom for now,

Brian do you have a 14b?

Big16g, 2G ex Mani, evo3O2 housing

Ooh, I see.

Brian, I don't mean to be overly critical, but those times on that setup... I'd say its time for a complete re-evaluation of your setup.

Rev it at launch. Don't be afraid to run it up to 5000rpm, slip the clutch out quickly and put your foot down quick when it starts to grab.
Obviously make sure your drivetrain is up to the task.

I'm going back Thursday with new Linkage, Clean wheel wells, and proper boost control, or just stock

How can one keep the car from bogging on a launch?

I've tried in the car a few times but always bog the car. Actually one time I smoked the clutch REALLY good.

I was launching at about 3k rpm. The 2nd slip I was reaching down to turn off my a/c and the lights started to go so I launched from like 1k rpm.

I think most guys launch at higher rpms's than that.

4500-5000 is a good place to launch an AWD and break stuff if its sub-par

Best way to find out what to replace, right??

Yup..also is the best way to keep a parts vendor in business

On a completely stock car with stock clutch you should be able to cut 1.8 60 foots.

I noticed a lot of guys not reving it too high, and letting the clutch out TOO quick, causing a nice bog.

If you want to keep the revs low, then slip the clutch enough so you don't bog, i.e. keep that momentum going.

Other than that, look a few posts up and do what Jamie says. You want to slip the clutch a tad to take up the slack in the drivetrain, and then just plant it.

When I launch my car, my right foot is completely down, and left foot is completely off the clutch within the first 2 to 3 feet of the car moving.

If your making gobs of power, get ready to hit 2nd clean and fast. It's all about the 1/8th. Hitting 3rd and 4th is pretty straight forward.

First of all, that's a lower RPM than what I launch my FWD at. You need to launch much higher to bite twice the pavement.
Every car is different - get a feel for it and find out what works. At some RPM it will stop bogging, and if it's burning the clutch then you are not slipping it fast enough.
Find the balance.

Second, your ET has nothing to do with your reaction time.
You're not bracket racing, so just take it easy and practice the launch - worry about cutting a good reaction time later.

[benchrace]Take whatever gains you want to make in your 60ft, double it, and remove it from your ET. [/benchrace]

Do exactly what Reza is saying, I just watched a bunch of the invasion vids & defently some very bad launches (ie mostly bogged huge).

Just takes practice, I was in the same boat when I went from street tires to drag radials in fwd mode. I would bog the DR's huge at first. I had to concentrate hard on keeping my foot into the gas while slipping the clutch (as I was use to backing off with wheel spin). But after a few runs I got the hang of it. Probably started off around 50% throttle with a 4750rpm launch rpm (remember these aren't big V8's that have instant torque down low in the rpm range) & stepped it up to 85-90% throttle, still giving a nice slip while going WOT for a good launch.

If you guys have logging ability, I found it helped to look at the previous run & see what the rpms were dipping to on the launch before they start to climb again. At first they would dip to the 1500rpm mark, which is way to low. My goal was to have them dip no lower then 3000 rpms. If you can do that, your starting to get the hang of it. Once I got the hang of it rpms dipped to maybe 3500-4000 range at lowest.

Just remember to slip the clutch, dumping the clutch doesn't help anything.

Thanks for the tips everyone I'm going back to the drags Thursday with a friend of mine. Anybody else going that day? I think Brian said he was.

Here's a video to display what Daren is talking about....

http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/rza45/?action=view&current=CIMG0306.flv

It also looks like you're missing 6-7 mph for a stock Talon. Make sure it's running right (boost leaks, tune up, tire pressure, etc.) before you go back to the track.

I'm going to check my tire pressures etc when I get home from work. Also going to head over to Canadian Tire tonight and buy some stuff to make a boost leak tester, I tested before but couldnt find anything.

Michael I think that was probably because I was launching terrible. Theres a video of my first launch, I'm the tealish color 1g.

are you guys launching from first gear?? i would do it from 2nd, then you got less shifts to worry about.. but you need a good clutch for that, and i use an aluminum flywheel.

Good tip

Hmm, I've heard launching from 2nd gear is worse. It causes more of a bog even with a high rmp launch. I'm going back Thursday so I'll try everything. I just don't want to stall on the line and look like a complete idiot.

2nd gear launch ???

lol ok

I was thinking the same.

Might work if you have a 50lb flywheel!

Its all part of racing, your on a learning curve, allow yourself to learn from your mistakes.

2nd gear launch??? I thought we didnt want him to bog lol!
Rob we got plenty of backroads out here to practice a launch
Just dont be reckless or speed
Personally I wouldnt practice something like this untill your ready to shell out on clutches and possibly the driveline. Its fun to give a try once now and then though

I launch in 4th so that I never have to change gears.

I believe the "boss hoss" motorcycle is like that. A 350 chevy engine with only one gear ..."go"....

Friend of mine is currently building a trike with a 454 in it

Off topic but thought I'd share

How do you launch in 4th...? Well without either stalling or getting a 25 second e/t.

Well, first you need to pull your leg a bit....

Lol

Louis do you know how much a good clutch will cost me? I'll be using it with an evo3 big 16g in a month or so.

Mines slipping a bit and I don't want more power when it's already screwed.

ACT 2600 - run you about 550 from Ziggy.

Alright thanks, Maybe next paycheque lol.

OR, look in his garage sale..

Good idea

I got to thinking clutches were more than that, not bad at all, decent clutch+flywheel would be like 700-800 then?

Looking like it, I've checked Ziggy's site and it looks like it will be around that.

Okay guys went today and ran a few times. Ended up killing a genesis coupe for my best time. Had him back a full second or so. Remember I'm still trying to figure everything out.

Best Slip -

R/T .256
60 2.151
330 6.309
1/8 9.812
MPH 70.66
1000 .000
1/4 15.313
MPH 89.40

I'm going to try to shoot for a 14.9 before I buy my mods. Is this possible for a stock 1g AWD TSi?

Good Job Rob I was out tonight also, got my best time

R/T .438
60 2.464
330 6.666
1/8 10.157
MPH 70.60
1000 .000
1/4 15.641
MPH 87.87

Awesome man and thankyou You were with the guy in the mustang and the genesis correct?

noticed something about guelphs finest on his window.

Rob, if your car is indeed bone stock, that is certainly a respectable time. Complete bench racer here, but for every .1 you can shave from the 60' .2 usually comes off the 1/4 ET. Now there is certainly room for a couple tenths improvement in your 60' so 14.9 is definitely doable. All it would really take is a 1.9 60' and you will break into those 14s...

I can't wait until next Thursday or Friday. I'm going to try to break into the 14s.

Also, the car is completely stock with not one upgrade. I've done about 5 passes total. 2 of them were on the day of the invasion and 3 today.

Thankyou for the tips They help a lot as I'm just learning.

I may join you next Thursday.

How packed was it today? I don't really want to go when there's other competition going on and we have to share the strip.

It was bare today, There was no wait at all. No other competition going on. Just test & tune. I'm for sure up for going next Thursday, just let me know

I'll continue this chat in the morning, I have to go to bed to get up for work in the morning

Nite!

Not bad at all Rob! Now I really wish I could see what I could do

Well Rob, looks like you learned how to drive!

One thing to mention, NEVER EVER EVER dump your clutch. This is how you break things.

Hey Rob, Yeah I was with the Mustang and the Genesis and the Focus. Also the S2000 and the Subaru were with us. A few guys from Guelphs Finest. It was nice that you didnt have to wait long to do a run lastnight.

It was nice to break into the 15's lastnight. Now just gotta get the new goodies in under the hood and then we will see what we can do

By the way, I never understood "dumping a clutch" how fast do you have to let it out to consider it "dumping" ? like hammer the gas and just let your foot come completely off the clutch as its engaging???

Haha thanks Ryan and I won't dump the clutch

Craig, I seen your friends driving around the road course. Their cars were steaming after they got off lol. Talk about pushing it to the max.

LOL Yup buddy in the S2000 spunout on the road course , best part is his girlfriend was in the car and spilled her drink all over herself. They were both smiling it was their first time on track

Awesome lol, anyways back to work lunch is over for me lol. Talk to ya later.

that's a good time Rob! You're definitely getting it down there!
Launching AWD is tricky, it will take practice, but as you can see your practice is paying off already!

Thankyou!! Finding some difficulty getting a great 60. My best is 2.1 and my goal is 1.9. Do I just step on it completely when the light before green hits then slip the clutch?

If not do you know what RPM would be good to launch at and shift at? I was shifting at 6k.

Rob, don't quote me, but I am pretty sure Steve Kinnaird could burn you a chip with a stutterbox. That would let you hold your foot to the floor for the launch, and your revs would be limited by the chip...

Okay I'll talk to him about that. Thanks Ziggy

Rob, did some playing around with my 2G. Sweet spot of a decent launch is 4500-5000rpm, maybe even 5500.

Ok thanks, I'll try them all next time I hit the drags.

Most people have a stutter box rpm set to 5k or 5500. It's a pretty decent spot for it. A burnt chip is a good idea when you get the rest of your setup

okay, Brian Fernandez showed me the site for the chips. If you have DSM Link and a chip, can you keep changing the rpm that your stutter box is set at? or is it permanent?

Also any guesses on whats done to this car? I don't believe its stock like said in the description.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23vXalmPatM&feature=related

DSM Link is a chip, and software, from what I understand.

The chips that are burnt are permanent and you tell them your setup and what you want done. If you change your setup drastically, you have to get a new chip. Some of the things you tell them are injector size, turbo size, psi, stutter box rpm, fuel cut yes / no, and a few other things. It's a decent idea for the 400hp area. From what I've read anyways. I've always just wanted to go with DSM Link, especially with DSM Link lite coming out

I'll just wait for DSM Link Lite then. The full version is very expensive and beyond what I want to spend. I didn't know that you could do the whole stutter box thing with DSM Link either but that's good to know. Did you check out that youtube link that I posted above?

I THINK even with a burned chip you can adjust the stutter box RPM if I am not mistaken?

Not quite sure, I was under the impression that it's a one time change for red line, stutter box etc. I'm probably mistaking tho.

^^^
Some burned chips have controls, yes.

Ah very nice. I can control almost everything with DSM Link tho correct? Like A LOT more options with DSM Link?

DSMLink = total control.

You will get a basic burn from the settings you wish. From there, you can adjust EVERYTHING. And with v3...direct access FTW!

Jeff O's chips from Keydiverchips have adjustable stutterbox. 4 points with a 1000 rpm range. Mines is set at 5000, 5250, 5500 and 6000 rpm. You just tap the gas pedal when the key is in the ON position to select where you want it.

I've used a few of his chips now, and they have all worked with great success.

I was watching Kevin K do some tuning yesterday with Link, and honestly, it's insane the amount of tuning you can do with it, the logging, then adding or subtracting air based on your real boost and your ecu thinking boost, and all this other crap. I pray they make a ECMLink for Toyota so I can use it for my MR2

Looking into a group buy for DSM Link right now Lets do it Brian!

With DSM Link, after you get your eprom socketed is there a chip from DSM Link that is added in or what?

it comes as part of the kit

The chip?

DSM link is a writeable chip, cable and software.
IT allows you to tune your car, add stutterbox launch control, anti lag, no lift to shift as well as Log (and see knock on a 2G).
BUT you MUST get your ecu socketed to use the chip. DYou can either find some one locally, or send it to ECM Tuning (DSM link people) and they will socket it + replace all your caps for 30 dollars.

Alright thanks a lot Murtaza was wondering about all of it