DSM Link V3 Group Buy
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July 13, 2009 05:21 pm UTC
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Brian Fernandez
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Lite isnt going to be out for a while, So I asked about pricing for a group to buy V3. If I can get 5 people on board, there is a descent discount to be had. For the price, you can PM, call 416 666 2742, or email ilive1@hotmail.com me, they don't want the price exposed on forums. Than, If your in, Add yourself to the list! 1. Brian Fernandez
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Re: DSM Link V3 Group Buy
[Re: Rob Gripper]
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July 13, 2009 11:39 pm UTC
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I'm in! Can't edit my post to take away the waiting for paycheque but it's a go. I'll have the money one way or another.
Lets do this guys! A deal you WONT want to miss!
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Re: DSM Link V3 Group Buy
[Re: Jules Levesque]
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July 14, 2009 02:26 am UTC
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Now, I've never used DSM Link before. I've never used any tuning program. Can the injector size be changed with the program after you tell them they are 450cc? Ex. You have 450 but buy 780 in the future, can you change the program to read the 780.
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Re: DSM Link V3 Group Buy
[Re: EK]
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July 14, 2009 02:53 am UTC
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Eric - Ok I'll do some more researching to see.
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Re: DSM Link V3 Group Buy
[Re: Rob Gripper]
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July 14, 2009 04:21 am UTC
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Brandon Clement
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Eric - Ok I'll do some more researching to see. With ECM Link you can change almost every parameter. Injector Size is one of the options, you just click "save to ecu" and viola. It doesn't matter how much you change your setup, ECMLink will re-learn, and allow you to change anything you need to to make it run the best that your car possibly can.
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Re: DSM Link V3 Group Buy
[Re: EK]
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July 14, 2009 01:41 pm UTC
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Yes, there is a difference with the 1G and 2G chips.
And for the injector size, on the website it asks for a bunch of different info, but when I was looking at ECM Link and Kevin was using it, it looked like an editable field. I don't know why you would not be able to edit your injector size on it. Maybe they ask you those questions to give you a base tune then you can edit it from there on out, you know, give DSM Link somewhere to start from.
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Re: DSM Link V3 Group Buy
[Re: Brian Fernandez]
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July 14, 2009 04:24 pm UTC
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Whew this is sweet. Linkk time!
Friday is perfect for me too.
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Re: DSM Link V3 Group Buy
[Re: DaveBarlow]
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July 14, 2009 09:08 pm UTC
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Email transfer to ilive1@hotmail.com Please, please put your name in like CAPITALS or something, just to make it easier to organized! Thanks Brian
Note, last time I did a group buy from FIC, we got charged $15 a person I think it was for boarder fees, I'm going to ask them to make it look like we only have one Dsmlink to keep them low, or non existant
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Re: DSM Link V3 Group Buy
[Re: Rob Gripper]
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July 14, 2009 10:01 pm UTC
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Ziggy Dietrich
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Those guys seem to be quite willing to put false low values on packages. Could probably save you the taxes also. Of course, that is illegal, but it doesn't seem to bother anyone.
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Re: DSM Link V3 Group Buy
[Re: Ziggy Dietrich]
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July 14, 2009 10:47 pm UTC
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Those guys seem to be quite willing to put false low values on packages. Could probably save you the taxes also. Of course, that is illegal, but it doesn't seem to bother anyone. I thought there was a warning issued about bashing the dsmlink guys and pretty much ruining threads ? Also, it is their product with no fixed market value other than what they, as the creators and vendors state so there is nothing illegal about them saying it is only worth X dollars as most of the value is due to intellectual property as opposed to the material value of the actual chip and cable. I work for a customs related business and nothing they are doing is illegal. They can easily say that it is worth X for US customers and X for Canadian customers. The only problem the may have is for income tax purposes in the states for acquiring money and not paying taxes on it and really ? its none of your or anyone's business as it doesn't effect the consumer one bit, they could state the value of their product is 100 dollars and say that the difference was a donation by the customer.. a little far fetched but the IRS would have a hard time proving otherwise seeing how they don't have a storefront and everything is done online. Really, all of us are no better when we sell parts on here and obviously don't claim the money as INCOME LOL... I am not trying to defend them but just stating the facts really. In this economy there are very few businesses that are 100 percent legit. I don't see why ppl need to bring up this fact every time they are mentioned ? Brian, I don't mind paying legit brokerage for them if it will prevent delay of getting them.
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Re: DSM Link V3 Group Buy
[Re: Ziggy Dietrich]
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July 15, 2009 12:20 am UTC
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I think that you were told in another thread... which I am not going to take the time to look up but I think it was Tim that said that you are to start your own good guy / bad thread if you wish to discuss your opinion of ecmtuning.
I am not saying that you are not allowed to have an opinion I am merely stating the known fact that you seem to find it necessary to constantly repeat it when you have been told / suggested to do otherwise by admins.
It just gets annoying whenever someone brings up that helder guy or ecm tuning you fly off the handle and have to put your 2 cents in, when it has already been counted a hundred times by the board, and is thus unnecessary for you to keep repeating yourself as it is obviously falling on deaf ears b/c ppl continue to do business with both of these evil corporations and ppl.
I think his words were along the line of, "oh not this again, if you feel so strongly about ecmtuning feel free to make a new thread" that was in response to your not wanting to carry their products for this exact reason of why you just posted when another board member inquired about you getting them dsmlink.
Also, do you have physical proof that they knowing defraud the canadian gov't or the CBP or canadian customs or US gov't because such statements on your behalf could be seen as lible and slander and you could find yourself in deep water. I am not trying to be a dick I am just stating facts.
Intellectual property has no declared value for duty and only determinable value which is subject to what the market deems fair and market values fluctuate.
The chip and cable have a physical value for production... probably 20 dollars lol but since they are also physical items which can be assigned a value not less than the production value as that would not be a good business decision.
They can legally sell the dsmlink package for its production value and nothing lower. They can also adjust their prices for what the market will pay.. totally legal.
The only reason why ppl are willing to pay 600 plus us for a computer chip and a cable is b/c they understand / respect the figurative value of the intellectual property that was used to create the item.
Why do you think that people have no problem buying pirated copies of dsmlink for like 100 bucks ?
Because to them the cable and chip are worth the production value of say 20 bucks but the intellectual property is only worth the difference of 80 dollars as opposed to the 500 dollars extra that a legit copy is worth according to ecm tuning.
I have zero problem paying full price for such a great amount of intellectual property that it took for them to develop such a system as dsmlink and you can't deny that they deserve every penny that they can charge for it... their advertised price reflects what the market will pay not its value as its only worth the sum of its physical components 20 bucks.
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Re: DSM Link V3 Group Buy
[Re: DaveBarlow]
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July 15, 2009 01:01 am UTC
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Ziggy Dietrich
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I think that you were told in another thread... which I am not going to take the time to look up but I think it was Tim that said that you are to start your own good guy / bad thread if you wish to discuss your opinion of ecmtuning. And I did not come on here and give an opinion of them. When someone suggested they were going to ask them to lie about the contents of the package, I merely suggested they would likely have no problem doing that, as they do it regularly. I am not saying that you are not allowed to have an opinion I am merely stating the known fact that you seem to find it necessary to constantly repeat it when you have been told / suggested to do otherwise by admins. I do not and will not go out of my way to make a bad guy post about them, but I have never been TOLD to stop posting about them. It just gets annoying whenever someone brings up that helder guy or ecm tuning you fly off the handle and have to put your 2 cents in, when it has already been counted a hundred times by the board, and is thus unnecessary for you to keep repeating yourself as it is obviously falling on deaf ears b/c ppl continue to do business with both of these evil corporations and ppl. Yes, so my message has not gotten through, and I must continue to spread the word! If you find it annoying, ignore my posts. Also, do you have physical proof that they knowing defraud the canadian gov't or the CBP or canadian customs or US gov't because such statements on your behalf could be seen as lible and slander and you could find yourself in deep water. I am not trying to be a dick I am just stating facts. yes, I have their ADMISSION to doing so...and MANY people could confirm this in a court of law if it became necessary. Thing is, it is only libel or slander if it is not true. Wonder why they are not suing me? Mabye because it IS true?? Intellectual property has no declared value for duty and only determinable value which is subject to what the market deems fair and market values fluctuate. The amount they charge the customer becomes the value of the product for determination of taxes, duties, etc. Sure, they can say it is $15....as long as they SELL it for $15. If they CHARGE $600., that is the VALUE that must be declared BY LAW to CRA. If you are in a customs related business, you SHOULD know this. They can legally sell the dsmlink package for its production value and nothing lower. They can also adjust their prices for what the market will pay.. totally legal. Correct. But to sell for $600 and CLAIM it sold for $15. is totally ILLEGAL. I have zero problem paying full price for such a great amount of intellectual property that it took for them to develop such a system as dsmlink and you can't deny that they deserve every penny that they can charge for it... their advertised price reflects what the market will pay not its value as its only worth the sum of its physical components 20 bucks. I have no problem with the price of the product. It is worth it. I have a problem with the product being imported illegally (that is, proper taxes not being paid)
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Re: DSM Link V3 Group Buy
[Re: Louis Savard]
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July 15, 2009 01:25 am UTC
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In the end, who gives a sh!t, I highly doubt anyone on this board has never asked someone to mark a package as a "gift" when mailing it across the boarder to avoid those extra fees.
You should be paying taxes on it, but you don't, because it is a "gift".
I really don't see any issue with cutting corners to save some money. If it is not directly affecting your company Ziggy, then leave it alone.
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