Lite isnt going to be out for a while, So I asked about pricing for a group to buy V3.
If I can get 5 people on board, there is a descent discount to be had.
For the price, you can PM, call 416 666 2742, or email ilive1@hotmail.com me, they don't want the price exposed on forums. Than, If your in, Add yourself to the list!



1. Brian Fernandez

1. Brian Fernandez
2. Eric Kellar

Is this for new purchases or for upgrading your V2 as well?

New purchases

1. Brian Fernandez
2. Eric Kellar
3. Rob Gripper (waiting for paycheque)

I'm in! Can't edit my post to take away the waiting for paycheque but it's a go. I'll have the money one way or another.

Lets do this guys! A deal you WONT want to miss!

Brian can you find out if they will give a break on upgrades as well if we jump on this?

If so, I'd be in.

Possible in for upgrade as well depending on the turnaround time.

might consider upgrade also

So Jamie, Louis, and Jules, you are looking to upgrade V2 to V3?
They have a very fast turnaround, I doubt they will be any slower for us

yeah, if they extend the group buy to upgrades I'd be interested depending on the "discount".

Just let me know.

yep same as Louis !

Now, I've never used DSM Link before. I've never used any tuning program. Can the injector size be changed with the program after you tell them they are 450cc? Ex. You have 450 but buy 780 in the future, can you change the program to read the 780.

I couldn't imagine that they would make it for a set sized injector, there must be a way to input what size you're using.

Im in, i was gonna buy one anyway. How soon is this happening??

Eric - Ok I'll do some more researching to see.

AS long as one more person hope on board, I will confirm with Thomas at ECMTuning, Ask for your money, and get him to ship the kits out

1. Brian Fernandez
2. Eric Kellar
3. Rob Gripper
4. Tara M.

Maybe a day or two to let the people who don't come on every 24H to see what were up to and partake on the offer as well. Lol.

With ECM Link you can change almost every parameter. Injector Size is one of the options, you just click "save to ecu" and viola.

It doesn't matter how much you change your setup, ECMLink will re-learn, and allow you to change anything you need to to make it run the best that your car possibly can.

There are base settings in the chip (injector size, MAF, etc), but I guess with the memory board those don't even matter much anymore!

I am in..pm'd for sure

1. Brian Fernandez
2. Eric Kellar
3. Rob Gripper
4. Tara M.
5. David Barlow

WOOOT

Suppose you need to know 1g or 2g also?

Yes, there is a difference with the 1G and 2G chips.

And for the injector size, on the website it asks for a bunch of different info, but when I was looking at ECM Link and Kevin was using it, it looked like an editable field. I don't know why you would not be able to edit your injector size on it. Maybe they ask you those questions to give you a base tune then you can edit it from there on out, you know, give DSM Link somewhere to start from.

1. Brian Fernandez
2. Eric Kellar
3. Rob Gripper
4. Tara M.
5. David Barlow
6. TJ Minshall (Not on the board)

So this is definatly going to go forward. I just emailed with a bunch of other questions which I will have the answers up tonight.

No discounts on upgrades. They don't make any money on the upgrades, as they are just updating them because they are already a customer.

I think a Friday deadline is good considering we have already met our 5 participant quota, and we can get them in a timely fasion.

Whew this is sweet. Linkk time!

Friday is perfect for me too.

Ding ding ding!!!

money will be sent where? Friday is fine with me too.

They use to ask for your details because like Rob mentioned with V2 those were the defults burned to the eprom chip, so when you lost battery power on a 2g, you would return to your defults which could be an issue if you changed injector sizes & didn't get a new chip burnt to match. You could program any chip for any injector size, just an issue if you lost battery power (& only on 2g's as the later released 1g version came with a memory board so not an issue if power lost).

With V3 there is memory built in on all versions so it doesn't really matter how you order it because you can set everything for your perticular setup & it will now keep all these settings if power is lost.

They probably still ask these questions for the guys that don't want to know anything about how the program works & just want to throw it in & drive over to their tuning shop & still have the car run.

Friday works... Pm us where to send the money to etc

Email transfer to ilive1@hotmail.com
Please, please put your name in like CAPITALS or something, just to make it easier to organized!
Thanks
Brian

Note, last time I did a group buy from FIC, we got charged $15 a person I think it was for boarder fees, I'm going to ask them to make it look like we only have one Dsmlink to keep them low, or non existant

Alright Brian all is good with me.

Those guys seem to be quite willing to put false low values on packages. Could probably save you the taxes also. Of course, that is illegal, but it doesn't seem to bother anyone.

I thought there was a warning issued about bashing the dsmlink guys and pretty much ruining threads ?

Also, it is their product with no fixed market value other than what they, as the creators and vendors state so there is nothing illegal about them saying it is only worth X dollars as most of the value is due to intellectual property as opposed to the material value of the actual chip and cable.

I work for a customs related business and nothing they are doing is illegal.

They can easily say that it is worth X for US customers and X for Canadian customers.

The only problem the may have is for income tax purposes in the states for acquiring money and not paying taxes on it and really ? its none of your or anyone's business as it doesn't effect the consumer one bit, they could state the value of their product is 100 dollars and say that the difference was a donation by the customer.. a little far fetched but the IRS would have a hard time proving otherwise seeing how they don't have a storefront and everything is done online.


Really, all of us are no better when we sell parts on here and obviously don't claim the money as INCOME LOL...

I am not trying to defend them but just stating the facts really. In this economy there are very few businesses that are 100 percent legit. I don't see why ppl need to bring up this fact every time they are mentioned ?

Brian, I don't mind paying legit brokerage for them if it will prevent delay of getting them.

a WARNING? I never received one? Are we no longer allowed to express our opinions here? Or only APPROVED opinions??

FACTS? They have to make a declaration to Canada Customs as to its value...and that is its COMMERCIAL value...what they charge customers...not it what it costs them to make.

to put anything else on the paperwork is fraud. and it is not the IRS they are defrauding, but the CRA.

They are DEFINITELY doing something illegal.

and I didn't bring it up. SOMEONE ELSE said "they will ask to have it look like there is only one in the package"

I think that you were told in another thread... which I am not going to take the time to look up but I think it was Tim that said that you are to start your own good guy / bad thread if you wish to discuss your opinion of ecmtuning.

I am not saying that you are not allowed to have an opinion I am merely stating the known fact that you seem to find it necessary to constantly repeat it when you have been told / suggested to do otherwise by admins.

It just gets annoying whenever someone brings up that helder guy or ecm tuning you fly off the handle and have to put your 2 cents in, when it has already been counted a hundred times by the board, and is thus unnecessary for you to keep repeating yourself as it is obviously falling on deaf ears b/c ppl continue to do business with both of these evil corporations and ppl.

I think his words were along the line of, "oh not this again, if you feel so strongly about ecmtuning feel free to make a new thread" that was in response to your not wanting to carry their products for this exact reason of why you just posted when another board member inquired about you getting them dsmlink.

Also, do you have physical proof that they knowing defraud the canadian gov't or the CBP or canadian customs or US gov't because such statements on your behalf could be seen as lible and slander and you could find yourself in deep water. I am not trying to be a dick I am just stating facts.

Intellectual property has no declared value for duty and only determinable value which is subject to what the market deems fair and market values fluctuate.

The chip and cable have a physical value for production... probably 20 dollars lol but since they are also physical items which can be assigned a value not less than the production value as that would not be a good business decision.

They can legally sell the dsmlink package for its production value and nothing lower. They can also adjust their prices for what the market will pay.. totally legal.

The only reason why ppl are willing to pay 600 plus us for a computer chip and a cable is b/c they understand / respect the figurative value of the intellectual property that was used to create the item.

Why do you think that people have no problem buying pirated copies of dsmlink for like 100 bucks ?

Because to them the cable and chip are worth the production value of say 20 bucks but the intellectual property is only worth the difference of 80 dollars as opposed to the 500 dollars extra that a legit copy is worth according to ecm tuning.

I have zero problem paying full price for such a great amount of intellectual property that it took for them to develop such a system as dsmlink and you can't deny that they deserve every penny that they can charge for it... their advertised price reflects what the market will pay not its value as its only worth the sum of its physical components 20 bucks.

And I did not come on here and give an opinion of them. When someone suggested they were going to ask them to lie about the contents of the package, I merely suggested they would likely have no problem doing that, as they do it regularly.




I do not and will not go out of my way to make a bad guy post about them, but I have never been TOLD to stop posting about them.




Yes, so my message has not gotten through, and I must continue to spread the word! If you find it annoying, ignore my posts.




yes, I have their ADMISSION to doing so...and MANY people could confirm this in a court of law if it became necessary. Thing is, it is only libel or slander if it is not true. Wonder why they are not suing me? Mabye because it IS true??



The amount they charge the customer becomes the value of the product for determination of taxes, duties, etc. Sure, they can say it is $15....as long as they SELL it for $15. If they CHARGE $600., that is the VALUE that must be declared BY LAW to CRA. If you are in a customs related business, you SHOULD know this.



Correct. But to sell for $600 and CLAIM it sold for $15. is totally ILLEGAL.




I have no problem with the price of the product. It is worth it. I have a problem with the product being imported illegally (that is, proper taxes not being paid)

Funny how everytime I read a post with Ziggy's very heartfelt opinions in them I seem to learn from them

I for one find it kind of refreshing that there are still some people out there that do NOT conform to the "be quiet we know what you're gonna say" message/replies and just spill their guts about a given situation.

It is also nice to see someone like Dave reply in the fashion that he has and not a meer "yeah yeah yeah we know, they're the big bad business people not shut up".

Thumbs up to both of you guys for having a "discussion" and not a bitch fest

In the end, who gives a sh!t, I highly doubt anyone on this board has never asked someone to mark a package as a "gift" when mailing it across the boarder to avoid those extra fees.

You should be paying taxes on it, but you don't, because it is a "gift".

I really don't see any issue with cutting corners to save some money. If it is not directly affecting your company Ziggy, then leave it alone.

Trust me I know my facts about importing etc lol for you to claim otherwise is rather comical to me.

Problem is that the cbp or canadian customs would have to prove that the person actually paid 600 as I am sure that the receipt would say other wise. CBP and Canadian customs do not waste their time on small stuff like this b/c its not worth the effort or man hours for the reward other than principle to nail a small company without hard evidence of these actions. I see it everday in my job.

Usually if business is done on the internet this proof is very hard to do if its not declared at the border or to the tax office and really they are small fish in the scheme of things and wouldn't even be looked at.

If their business practices bug you so much why not make a bad guy post as per proper forum etiquette ? and warn everyone instead of repeating yourself ?

As for them not suing you maybe they just don't care to waste their time on something that could probably not even be proven in a court of law unless you have written hard evidence but even then they can claim market condition for canada changed thus we sold it for a reduced price.. I am sure that they are not dumb enough to sell the product for X dollars and then report to their tax office that they infact sold it for another amount. lol.

If you have such hard evidence why not take further course of action instead of slandering them on the net ? does what they are doing effect your business ? If not then why keep bashing them ? Word of mouth doesn't stand up in court.

If it is of such moral dilemma to you why not make it right or at least take the 5 minutes and make a bad guy post instead of lurking in the shadows ?

I am calling BS on the hard evidence or I really don't see the point to keep bringing this hatred for ecm tuning's business practices if you are not going to do anything about it ?

I admire your moral conviction for this issue but really unless you actually do something about it you are just cluttering the board, breaking forum rules and wasting your time b/c no one seems to be paying attention.

Good luck in your fight against ecmlink

Back on topic.... So what do we need to tell you

1.ecu type

2.injector type/size

3.MAF type

4.socket/conversion needed? yes no?

We going to send out our ecus individually?