Lite isnt going to be out for a while, So I asked about pricing for a group to buy V3.
If I can get 5 people on board, there is a descent discount to be had.
For the price, you can PM, call 416 666 2742, or email ilive1@hotmail.com me, they don't want the price exposed on forums. Than, If your in, Add yourself to the list!



1. Brian Fernandez

1. Brian Fernandez
2. Eric Kellar

Is this for new purchases or for upgrading your V2 as well?

New purchases

1. Brian Fernandez
2. Eric Kellar
3. Rob Gripper (waiting for paycheque)

I'm in! Can't edit my post to take away the waiting for paycheque but it's a go. I'll have the money one way or another.

Lets do this guys! A deal you WONT want to miss!

Brian can you find out if they will give a break on upgrades as well if we jump on this?

If so, I'd be in.

Possible in for upgrade as well depending on the turnaround time.

might consider upgrade also

So Jamie, Louis, and Jules, you are looking to upgrade V2 to V3?
They have a very fast turnaround, I doubt they will be any slower for us

yeah, if they extend the group buy to upgrades I'd be interested depending on the "discount".

Just let me know.

yep same as Louis !

Now, I've never used DSM Link before. I've never used any tuning program. Can the injector size be changed with the program after you tell them they are 450cc? Ex. You have 450 but buy 780 in the future, can you change the program to read the 780.

I couldn't imagine that they would make it for a set sized injector, there must be a way to input what size you're using.

Im in, i was gonna buy one anyway. How soon is this happening??

Eric - Ok I'll do some more researching to see.

AS long as one more person hope on board, I will confirm with Thomas at ECMTuning, Ask for your money, and get him to ship the kits out

1. Brian Fernandez
2. Eric Kellar
3. Rob Gripper
4. Tara M.

Maybe a day or two to let the people who don't come on every 24H to see what were up to and partake on the offer as well. Lol.

With ECM Link you can change almost every parameter. Injector Size is one of the options, you just click "save to ecu" and viola.

It doesn't matter how much you change your setup, ECMLink will re-learn, and allow you to change anything you need to to make it run the best that your car possibly can.

There are base settings in the chip (injector size, MAF, etc), but I guess with the memory board those don't even matter much anymore!

I am in..pm'd for sure

1. Brian Fernandez
2. Eric Kellar
3. Rob Gripper
4. Tara M.
5. David Barlow

WOOOT

Suppose you need to know 1g or 2g also?

Yes, there is a difference with the 1G and 2G chips.

And for the injector size, on the website it asks for a bunch of different info, but when I was looking at ECM Link and Kevin was using it, it looked like an editable field. I don't know why you would not be able to edit your injector size on it. Maybe they ask you those questions to give you a base tune then you can edit it from there on out, you know, give DSM Link somewhere to start from.

1. Brian Fernandez
2. Eric Kellar
3. Rob Gripper
4. Tara M.
5. David Barlow
6. TJ Minshall (Not on the board)

So this is definatly going to go forward. I just emailed with a bunch of other questions which I will have the answers up tonight.

No discounts on upgrades. They don't make any money on the upgrades, as they are just updating them because they are already a customer.

I think a Friday deadline is good considering we have already met our 5 participant quota, and we can get them in a timely fasion.

Whew this is sweet. Linkk time!

Friday is perfect for me too.

Ding ding ding!!!

money will be sent where? Friday is fine with me too.

They use to ask for your details because like Rob mentioned with V2 those were the defults burned to the eprom chip, so when you lost battery power on a 2g, you would return to your defults which could be an issue if you changed injector sizes & didn't get a new chip burnt to match. You could program any chip for any injector size, just an issue if you lost battery power (& only on 2g's as the later released 1g version came with a memory board so not an issue if power lost).

With V3 there is memory built in on all versions so it doesn't really matter how you order it because you can set everything for your perticular setup & it will now keep all these settings if power is lost.

They probably still ask these questions for the guys that don't want to know anything about how the program works & just want to throw it in & drive over to their tuning shop & still have the car run.

Friday works... Pm us where to send the money to etc

Email transfer to ilive1@hotmail.com
Please, please put your name in like CAPITALS or something, just to make it easier to organized!
Thanks
Brian

Note, last time I did a group buy from FIC, we got charged $15 a person I think it was for boarder fees, I'm going to ask them to make it look like we only have one Dsmlink to keep them low, or non existant

Alright Brian all is good with me.

Those guys seem to be quite willing to put false low values on packages. Could probably save you the taxes also. Of course, that is illegal, but it doesn't seem to bother anyone.

I thought there was a warning issued about bashing the dsmlink guys and pretty much ruining threads ?

Also, it is their product with no fixed market value other than what they, as the creators and vendors state so there is nothing illegal about them saying it is only worth X dollars as most of the value is due to intellectual property as opposed to the material value of the actual chip and cable.

I work for a customs related business and nothing they are doing is illegal.

They can easily say that it is worth X for US customers and X for Canadian customers.

The only problem the may have is for income tax purposes in the states for acquiring money and not paying taxes on it and really ? its none of your or anyone's business as it doesn't effect the consumer one bit, they could state the value of their product is 100 dollars and say that the difference was a donation by the customer.. a little far fetched but the IRS would have a hard time proving otherwise seeing how they don't have a storefront and everything is done online.


Really, all of us are no better when we sell parts on here and obviously don't claim the money as INCOME LOL...

I am not trying to defend them but just stating the facts really. In this economy there are very few businesses that are 100 percent legit. I don't see why ppl need to bring up this fact every time they are mentioned ?

Brian, I don't mind paying legit brokerage for them if it will prevent delay of getting them.

a WARNING? I never received one? Are we no longer allowed to express our opinions here? Or only APPROVED opinions??

FACTS? They have to make a declaration to Canada Customs as to its value...and that is its COMMERCIAL value...what they charge customers...not it what it costs them to make.

to put anything else on the paperwork is fraud. and it is not the IRS they are defrauding, but the CRA.

They are DEFINITELY doing something illegal.

and I didn't bring it up. SOMEONE ELSE said "they will ask to have it look like there is only one in the package"

I think that you were told in another thread... which I am not going to take the time to look up but I think it was Tim that said that you are to start your own good guy / bad thread if you wish to discuss your opinion of ecmtuning.

I am not saying that you are not allowed to have an opinion I am merely stating the known fact that you seem to find it necessary to constantly repeat it when you have been told / suggested to do otherwise by admins.

It just gets annoying whenever someone brings up that helder guy or ecm tuning you fly off the handle and have to put your 2 cents in, when it has already been counted a hundred times by the board, and is thus unnecessary for you to keep repeating yourself as it is obviously falling on deaf ears b/c ppl continue to do business with both of these evil corporations and ppl.

I think his words were along the line of, "oh not this again, if you feel so strongly about ecmtuning feel free to make a new thread" that was in response to your not wanting to carry their products for this exact reason of why you just posted when another board member inquired about you getting them dsmlink.

Also, do you have physical proof that they knowing defraud the canadian gov't or the CBP or canadian customs or US gov't because such statements on your behalf could be seen as lible and slander and you could find yourself in deep water. I am not trying to be a dick I am just stating facts.

Intellectual property has no declared value for duty and only determinable value which is subject to what the market deems fair and market values fluctuate.

The chip and cable have a physical value for production... probably 20 dollars lol but since they are also physical items which can be assigned a value not less than the production value as that would not be a good business decision.

They can legally sell the dsmlink package for its production value and nothing lower. They can also adjust their prices for what the market will pay.. totally legal.

The only reason why ppl are willing to pay 600 plus us for a computer chip and a cable is b/c they understand / respect the figurative value of the intellectual property that was used to create the item.

Why do you think that people have no problem buying pirated copies of dsmlink for like 100 bucks ?

Because to them the cable and chip are worth the production value of say 20 bucks but the intellectual property is only worth the difference of 80 dollars as opposed to the 500 dollars extra that a legit copy is worth according to ecm tuning.

I have zero problem paying full price for such a great amount of intellectual property that it took for them to develop such a system as dsmlink and you can't deny that they deserve every penny that they can charge for it... their advertised price reflects what the market will pay not its value as its only worth the sum of its physical components 20 bucks.

And I did not come on here and give an opinion of them. When someone suggested they were going to ask them to lie about the contents of the package, I merely suggested they would likely have no problem doing that, as they do it regularly.




I do not and will not go out of my way to make a bad guy post about them, but I have never been TOLD to stop posting about them.




Yes, so my message has not gotten through, and I must continue to spread the word! If you find it annoying, ignore my posts.




yes, I have their ADMISSION to doing so...and MANY people could confirm this in a court of law if it became necessary. Thing is, it is only libel or slander if it is not true. Wonder why they are not suing me? Mabye because it IS true??



The amount they charge the customer becomes the value of the product for determination of taxes, duties, etc. Sure, they can say it is $15....as long as they SELL it for $15. If they CHARGE $600., that is the VALUE that must be declared BY LAW to CRA. If you are in a customs related business, you SHOULD know this.



Correct. But to sell for $600 and CLAIM it sold for $15. is totally ILLEGAL.




I have no problem with the price of the product. It is worth it. I have a problem with the product being imported illegally (that is, proper taxes not being paid)

Funny how everytime I read a post with Ziggy's very heartfelt opinions in them I seem to learn from them

I for one find it kind of refreshing that there are still some people out there that do NOT conform to the "be quiet we know what you're gonna say" message/replies and just spill their guts about a given situation.

It is also nice to see someone like Dave reply in the fashion that he has and not a meer "yeah yeah yeah we know, they're the big bad business people not shut up".

Thumbs up to both of you guys for having a "discussion" and not a bitch fest

In the end, who gives a sh!t, I highly doubt anyone on this board has never asked someone to mark a package as a "gift" when mailing it across the boarder to avoid those extra fees.

You should be paying taxes on it, but you don't, because it is a "gift".

I really don't see any issue with cutting corners to save some money. If it is not directly affecting your company Ziggy, then leave it alone.

Trust me I know my facts about importing etc lol for you to claim otherwise is rather comical to me.

Problem is that the cbp or canadian customs would have to prove that the person actually paid 600 as I am sure that the receipt would say other wise. CBP and Canadian customs do not waste their time on small stuff like this b/c its not worth the effort or man hours for the reward other than principle to nail a small company without hard evidence of these actions. I see it everday in my job.

Usually if business is done on the internet this proof is very hard to do if its not declared at the border or to the tax office and really they are small fish in the scheme of things and wouldn't even be looked at.

If their business practices bug you so much why not make a bad guy post as per proper forum etiquette ? and warn everyone instead of repeating yourself ?

As for them not suing you maybe they just don't care to waste their time on something that could probably not even be proven in a court of law unless you have written hard evidence but even then they can claim market condition for canada changed thus we sold it for a reduced price.. I am sure that they are not dumb enough to sell the product for X dollars and then report to their tax office that they infact sold it for another amount. lol.

If you have such hard evidence why not take further course of action instead of slandering them on the net ? does what they are doing effect your business ? If not then why keep bashing them ? Word of mouth doesn't stand up in court.

If it is of such moral dilemma to you why not make it right or at least take the 5 minutes and make a bad guy post instead of lurking in the shadows ?

I am calling BS on the hard evidence or I really don't see the point to keep bringing this hatred for ecm tuning's business practices if you are not going to do anything about it ?

I admire your moral conviction for this issue but really unless you actually do something about it you are just cluttering the board, breaking forum rules and wasting your time b/c no one seems to be paying attention.

Good luck in your fight against ecmlink

Back on topic.... So what do we need to tell you

1.ecu type

2.injector type/size

3.MAF type

4.socket/conversion needed? yes no?

We going to send out our ecus individually?

I am assuming that he needs all the info that we would provide ECM LINK with on their website.

The bad guy thread would look something like this:
"ECMLink are bad guys because they like saving you money on shipping and border crossing fees. They have made the best tuning program for DSMs at a reasonable price when comparing to other company products that sell tuning programs. But since they like to save you money on taxes and brokerage fees, they are assholes and no one should purchase from them."

..........

They need

Your car (1G or 2G)
What size injectors you are running
MAF Type (stock, 2G on a 1G, 3" GM MAF with MAF-T, Hacked 2G MAF, Galant VR4, evo8 / 3G eclipse, 3" GM -> ECU, 3.5" GM -> ECU
Desired Username for the forums


Tara did bring up a good point, does the group buy include Socketing the ECU? Or will that cost extra, if so, do they include that in the paypal money transfer, or is that something separate they need to pay for?

Stock injectors on a 93 tsi awd are 450cc correct? Also I don't think it has socketing included. You would most likely have to go to a local electronic shop for them to socket your ecu for you. Would cost around 30$ (estimate).

Yes 450's and your right about the $30 too.

Thank you =D, also what does "3.5" GM -> ECU" mean?

Any idea on getting the caps replaced? another 10$ maybe?

It replaces your maf with a GM one.. lets you do some neat things, plus lets you vent your bov.

IF you get ECM tuning to socket you r ecu it is 30 dollars for caps + socket.. But you have to pay shipping

Ok, thanks. I don't think I'm going to send them my ecu, I'm going to get it done locally.

It does not include socketing. The group buy is for a DSMLINK V3 kit.
Maybe someone wants to volunteer to socket them for us, and make $29 bux each... as a socket costs about $1, you can google how to do it... That can be done on another thread. Like "socketing service"

Ok Brian, do you need the money by email transfer only? Are there other options such as money order?

email transfer is really easy, and what I prefer. I will post up a paypal adress for those who dont want to email transfer,

I'm fine with it, I just don't know how to do it lol. Could you possibly write a small guide over pm or here for others that don't know how? My mom is going to be doing it, I don't bank online so it's all her lol. She needs some guidelines etc.

I would not go that route.. I thought I was good enough to solder, but I did a lot of damage to my ecu. I had to send it to ECM Tuning for repairs and spent 156US on just repairs. After shipping both ways it was about 200 Canadian.
They do AWESOME work though, their soldering job looks as if it was done by a robot.
Would defiantly recommend them doing it for you.

Wouldn't an electronic shop do just as good of a job? And it will be less work for me.. Heading to bed now too so I'll continue this convo later.

Nevermind about the guide Brian, I just read the step by step thing from interac lol. It's in the link below, can you verify that is the correct way to send to you?

http://www.interac.ca/consumers/productsandservices_ol_emt.php

You can vent anyways I always vented to atmosphere, with a 2G MAF, 550cc injectors, walbro pump, and 15psi on a 14b, never had any problems!

And GM MAF only allows you to run BOV to Atmosphere if you run blow through not blow by, aka you have to run the MAF on the intake manifold pipe, not on the turbo inlet pipe.

Guy in montreal on Dsmquebec sockets for 40$ canada , thats the socket and shipping it back to you. So you pack it up send 40$ money order put in box pay your 10 shipping and send it.

His contact info would be great please!

k np ill pm him and ask him his contact info.

Not sure if this aloud plz let me know if it isnt

Other way you can contact him is go to

dsmquebec.org , community , members his name is "Hugo" send him a pm. ull have to sign up for sure. forum in frencg is "Babillard" 4th tab once there.


He is really good , hes doing mine right now and you should have it with in a week. the night he gets it he'll do it and then ship out next day.

I wanted to do locally but .... dont really want someone who never played in an ECU to frack it up because it is 250$ to get another Eprom ecu.

Sent my money and pm'd my specs

My money is in too. Any idea how long till we get it?

Sending my money in tomorrow afternoon

My money is sent! Thanks Brian

Eric Kellar -Paid
Dave B -Paid
Tyler M -Paid

Bet your bank account is looking pretty good

The order goes in tomorrow?

Well you can count me as paid, I think i'm getting two other payments from Rob and Tara today, Ive been getting alot of texts to keep up with lol.
Its going in tomorrow yea

http://www.ecmtuning.com/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=36

This is the info I will need from everyone. I will be filling these out for each person, making a huge shopping cart, and checking out with a special discount code which he is going to make up for me.
Some have already given me the details which is cool

money sent.

I'm trying to get mine in now, keeps saying some bullsh!t about reached the daily limit when there isnt ONE. Try to wait for me to pay, I'll try at midnight tonight if I cant figure out what the hells going on now.

Tara, got it

Just waiting on you Rob

Trying lol, Going to try again at Midnight tonight. For some reason my moms account keeps denying the payments and says that its over the daily limit. Well at midnight we should be able to tho there was nothing even taken out today.

daily limit has nothing to do with Etransfering

call your banks 1 800 #, maybe they can walk you through it or solve the issue.

Ah good idea. I'll call them. This is starting to make me mad, a red bar at the top comes up and says we've exceeded our daily limit.

Anybody else here use Royal Bank to pay? I also have Credit Union but they don't have that option online.

I used rbc.com. did you add him to your list of payees? 1st you add him to your list, then click pay bills/payee and enter amount with the question and answer and it should work. i have never got that limit error so its probably something on your account. why dont you just pay with paypal?

Don't have a card on my paypal I'm going to try RBC again, I didn't add him to my payee list, that may be why.

if your online banking hasnt been setup at the branch where you go, it obv won't be working. but if you can log into rbc.com its pretty simple.

log in,
Interac email transfer
follow steps.

I'm almost 100% sure she set it up. I'm trying again at midnight, if that won't work I guess its just you 5. Fkn banks are stupid.

EDIT: She does online banking nearly every day so it's been setup for sure.

lol this is why I m oldschool and send cheques
If you cant get it to work Rob send him a cheque. Im shure you guys could all be nice people and wait for him, sh!t happens right?

Found out why, My moms card was red-flagged about a month ago and I guess they didn't feel like putting all of her settings back to the way they were. Sent them a new message and having it returned to the previous daily limit. If the money isn't sent by 8:00am tomorrow morning Brian then I guess just go ahead without me.

As much as it sucks, I can't do any more then I am now.

I want this!!! But I've got far too many things on my plate right now to spend the money.

Another time

Alright just go ahead without me, I'm not trying anymore. Thanks for the help tho.

I dont mind waiting, if it means you're saving a couple hundred bucks.

Wait til 0900 at least, that way you can get ahold of a person at the bank, and hopefully sort it out.

Rob just text me with whats going on, we'll figure something out,

Fixed it!! Okay, the money is sent to you Brian The secret answer thing is in your PM inbox.

Thanks for waiting guys

Gates Squeeked in, its closed for now, Kits will be here probaly next week sometime

Awesome, can't wait Ty Brian.

I just got my ecu in the mail!! I'm very excited! If you guys need one still, I got mine from www.car-part.com. Its a database of all the wreckers. I paid like $135 shipped tax in to my door. now just to get it socketed..

Very nice Tara Want to look around on the net with me for places in Ontario that socket ECU's? I have to get mine socketed still as well.

Bali Electronics.

In the plaza right next to meadowvale GO station on Millcreek dr.

$40, Socket included.

Aaron.

Thankyou Aaron

Grats on the group buy everyone! You will LOVE your ECMLink, I can promise you that

Definately excited! A lot more learning to do now, car isn't just a car anymore

Glad to see everyone got in on the deal. I think this will hurt my brain less than my AEM did...

So how did the ordering process go Brian, Keep us updated.

Lol, good, I could have gone through the online process and ordered all 7 sepratly. But luckily I just sent him the PDF with everyones info on it, and credit card info, They should be on their way today

Sexy! This is one excited DSM'er!

Thanks Brian

I found a guy in ottawa that will socket the ecu's but he wants $50 each. He tunes all the honda ecus in ottawa. Anyways Im going to get mine done by him cause hes close and I wont have to bother shipping, but Im not sure its worth it sending it back and forth for you toronto guys.

I'm sending 2 ECUs out to them on wednesday probably, let me know if you want to tag yours along, were getting a discount on 1G Eprom coversion, but I doubt there will be a discount on socketing, as its just time involved

Should be to me by Thursday or Friday

Awesome =) Can't wait!

For the guys looking for someone to socket their ecu, just make sure the place you descide to go to is reputable as I've seen lots of hack jobs by guys that were supposed to know what their doing. I could have socketed my own (do work with electronics) but I wanted Dave (ECMLink) to check the ecu all out (he can test it all on his bench) & make sure it was 100% before I ran it. The service was quick & the work was top notch (being I know what good soldering work looks like of course I had to inspect it). Plus they can also replace your caps as it sounds like their starting to go on 2g ecu's now.....

Also, from what I have heard, the 2g ecu is a lot more "delicate" than the 1g. I would think twice about who I let work on a 2g ecu....

Agreed. Send it down to Tom or Dave, or a reputable member/shop up here who is VERY familiar.

Yep agreed , like I said I was scared to send to local shop at in my town. I sent it to a guy on Dsmquebec and he did a wicked job!

Your group buy shipment is going out today by USPS Express Mail.
Tracking number follows.

EC949298275US

It contains 5 packages:

0800 - Tara Matthews
0801 - Eric Kellar
0809 - Dave Barlow
0811 - Rob Grip
0812 - Tyler Minshall

The numbers are written on the outside of each box. Thanks!

As I said earlier.
I tried my own.. I have soldered on smaller electronics so figured the large points on an ecu would be fine.
I ended up ruining my ecu, sent it to ECM Tuning and the repair was 156 US to fix. (after shipping it was close to 200).
That could have been saved if I would have just sent it in the first time for only 30 dollars.
But their work is AMAZING. The repaired traces look like they were done by a robot. Some incredibly precise work.

NICE Cna't wait to actually get it down here haha

Can't wait until I'm all set up =) Just got a turbo timer and a MBC today as well