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Cleanawd project #326278
March 16, 2010 12:04 am UTC
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Well I figured I need to give Mike Leclerc some friendly competition for this summer, so I may as well share my progress aswell.

Here's the car for those that don't know
[Linked Image]

I have been starting off fairly slow, as I need to hear an "OK" from the powers above before I start on the power plant, but this is what I have so far:

Basically everything in the front end I want new.
So I got:
-Balljoints
-Tie Rod Ends
-Wheel bearings + seals
-sway bar end links
-And a Poly Bushing set for the front end

Sand Blasted front subframe
[Linked Image]

Painted with Poly bushings
[Linked Image]

Shitty old control arms
[Linked Image]

Stuff ready to get put together
[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]

Control arms on
[Linked Image]

The subfram was a perfect candidate to practice with my new welder, so try and ignore the practice welds wink

I will keep this updated.

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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #326279
March 16, 2010 12:37 am UTC
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About time you posted something!!!


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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Micheal Leclerc] #326285
March 16, 2010 01:19 am UTC
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Nice!


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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Neal Thibault] #326286
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Nice is right...that car looks like a twin to mine!


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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Will Belancic] #326289
March 16, 2010 01:54 am UTC
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Very clean looking and the rims suit it so well.Oh happy bday Will.


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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Neal Thibault] #326302
March 16, 2010 05:54 am UTC
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Ahh, I really love 1ga's. Nice job.


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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Stacey Shaw] #326321
March 16, 2010 05:36 pm UTC
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Good Job! Keep it up


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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Alex Akachinskiy] #326322
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Now that's some nice work there! Keep it up, and the bottom of your car will be cleaner than the top!

Re: Cleanawd project [Re: EK] #326325
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Originally Posted by Eric Kellar
Now that's some nice work there! Keep it up, and the bottom of your car will be cleaner than the top!


For true DSMer the bottom is more important then the top. wink


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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Alex Akachinskiy] #326353
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Didn't do much tonight,

Cleaned up my steering rack. I really wanted a new one but oh well.
[Linked Image]
Tomorrow I am going to get new lines for it.


Here is a couple other things laying around.
hks 272 replicas
[Linked Image]


6bolt 4g64 crank, I need to take that away someday too.
[Linked Image]


Thats all for now.
MK


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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #326390
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Nice rack mike! wink

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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #326413
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make sure none of the rusted parts are going back!


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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Alex Akachinskiy] #326723
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Just try to imagine it without all the dust/grinding chunks all over it. smile
And I am going to have to do something about those nasty looking struts..
[Linked Image]
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Just got these in the mail today.... laugh
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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #326724
March 22, 2010 11:41 pm UTC
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wow! That is deep! Keep posting pics!


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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Alex Akachinskiy] #326780
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Hey, nice evo springs, I got me a set too.


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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Mike Kozlakowski] #326786
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thx. I was wondering when someone point out what they were.
I hope they work out.


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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #326843
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2.4 block and crank is off to the machine shop.
Guh... I'm so far behind.....


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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #327032
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damn all that wiring ... !!


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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Daniel Reis] #327043
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It should be very neat when I am done.
All the stubs are not being used anymore. and most of the long wires to the right are going to be cut aswell.
Everything else to the left is for the engine.

I got a nice 15pin connector off a Jbody. That should run all my engine sensors/wires, minus the alternator and oil sending unit wires at the front.
So everything can be easily disconnected at that one plug. smile


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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #327952
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So I sorta lost the urge to be displaying everything about my car on the interweb.....

I havent taken off my 2600 for the past 3 years when I put it on. Took it off, and found this:

[Linked Image]

Every crack you can see I can feel with my fingernail. fubared!

Got the wheel bearings pressed in and car is back on 4 legs.
Waiting for the word on the damn machine shop so I can order my bottom end.

Next is taking out the pedal assembly and getting rid of that inch of slop in the clutch..... I am picking up a 24 for that one. so excited bah


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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #328411
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Looking good man hope you get her done!


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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: kent Hennigar] #328431
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I'm getting there.
-Clutch pedal is welded
-I started tearing down my head last night to get it surfaced.

Seems Like no one stocks 6 bolt 2.4 pistons, not even Magnus. And Wiseco isn't doing a batch until mid May.
Zigster thankfully found me a solution. santa

sh!t tonne of parts to come.


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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #328451
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I thought JE had some 2.4L pistons with the 21mm pin. Aside from machining the rods what solution would you have? Though I'm sure Ziggy hooked you up just fine.

Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Charles Kisielewski] #328452
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Yes, Manley is customizing a set of rods to use the 7 bolt pistons smile

I was unable to find any ON THE SHELF anywhere. JE might make them.....but no-one has them (that I could find). They are a stock part number at Wiseco also, but none available until May...


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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Ziggy Dietrich] #328454
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http://www.extremepsi.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=21498&cat=1098&page=1

Hmm, well it states ships in 4-7 days, so I suppose they might not have them in stock. Well it's good that a rod set is coming right from Manley.

Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Ziggy Dietrich] #328455
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Like Ziggy said, there was none, Anywhere.
I called: Punishment, Magnus, DsmGraveyard, VR Speed Factory.
Ziggy tried all his connections.

I found a set on Ebay, but they were going to be about 600US when they hit the boarder with the slowest shipping. And they ship UPS. So I would have to make SURE to order some lube with that, for when I pay the brokerage fees.
Not to mention its EBAY.

Can't wait smile


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When Extreme posts "ships in 4-7 days", that means he does not stock them. That means he either orders them in as ordered, or gets the supplier to ship DIRECTLY to the customer. He has NO way of knowing IF they are in stock at any given point in time. I just ordered in a turbo from him that "ships in 4-7 days", but it is going to be at least three weeks. He doesn't advise that until after the order is placed and he finds the inventory status at the suppliers smile
Also, for the record, if it says "on order", he is waiting for more stock, and if it say "out of stock" he is not sure if he will be getting more or not, or at least he knows it will be quite a while until he gets more..


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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Ziggy Dietrich] #329051
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I feel sick...
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Motors finally going back tonight for machining.

I am trying to find some NEW connectors/pigtails for my TPS, 91+ Cam sensor, and possibly injectors.

Anyone know where I can find some of these?


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Are you actually looking for Brand NEW connectors? Regardless consider switching to something like the 2g-style injector connectors - so much better and you don't have any of those stupid metal clips to lose.

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Grumpy Update:
Machine shop told me they CAN do a MLS gasket as that was the first question I asked when I walked in there. But I don't think he knows what that means, or understand the surface I am expecting, as there is only a surface ginder there. (I read it has to be milled) He said they couldn't measure or show me the surface finish of what the gasket calls for right on the package, because "the tools cost too much and no one has them"
Guy said that the surface grinder is fine for the little boost I will be running.....??(I told him built for 40 but running 30ish)

I asked him if that was gauranteed to seal but then the truth came out and he said oh I dunno.... I dont do much of these little motors, you can listen to your books or the internet, or listen to me.

So I am now on the quest for a new machinist/milling machine...


Charles, Yes I am looking for new plugs. Injectors I think will be easy to find as even Summit has some that should work. Magnus makes the swap harnesses with new CAS plugs, so I will ask them where they source them. The only thing left I think is the TPS... if anyone can help with that one?

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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #329205
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Mike,

For the record, a surface grinder gives a MUCH better finish than a milling machine! A mill will ALWAYS leave tiny scratches from the individual cutting tips.

A mill is more useful for removing larger amounts of metal, but the surface grinder will give a finer finish.


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oh, I got my info from here.....

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-engine-fuel/303225-engine-machine-work-explained.html


"Another machine is the surface grinder, not a bad machine, it keeps the head leveled and indexed, it uses segmented stones. The surface finish is not smooth enough most of the time for MLS gaskets, The finish is dependent on what stones, how well dressed they are, spindle speed and table speed. Still very common in shops

The new boy on the block is a High speed Milling machine, these use a .500 (1/2) inch insert, CBN for cast Iron and CBN for alum. for the most part, as far I as know, have been around about 10 years. smaller shops are slow on getting them due to there cost, But without a doubt give the best surface finish. Some machines, Like the comec I use, have variable rate spindle speed and variable rate table feed rates. This will alow for diffrent surface finishes for diffrent gaskets"


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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #329214
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Originally Posted by Mike Kuttschrutter
oh, I got my info from here.....

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-engine-fuel/303225-engine-machine-work-explained.html


"Another machine is the surface grinder, not a bad machine, it keeps the head leveled and indexed, it uses segmented stones. The surface finish is not smooth enough most of the time for MLS gaskets, The finish is dependent on what stones, how well dressed they are, spindle speed and table speed. Still very common in shops

The new boy on the block is a High speed Milling machine, these use a .500 (1/2) inch insert, CBN for cast Iron and CBN for alum. for the most part, as far I as know, have been around about 10 years. smaller shops are slow on getting them due to there cost, But without a doubt give the best surface finish. Some machines, Like the comec I use, have variable rate spindle speed and variable rate table feed rates. This will alow for diffrent surface finishes for diffrent gaskets"


No automotive machine shop is going to have a high speed machining CNC to use for surface finishing. Take internet info for a grain a salt. That info above isn't the greatest.

CBN is the next hardest material to diamond. There doing something right if there at least using that. But it all comes down to care and preperation for the finish out come. Just let them know that your concerned about the surface quality and will be checking upon pick up. Usually thats enough to get the guy to put extra care into the quality.

I have an ANSI surface panel sample to compare to judge the surface quality.

I wrote a huge paper in university on surface finish so its a bit of my expertise smile Ra isn't all it cracked up to be.



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I took my stuff to another place today and the guy seemed to have the same attitude when I said it needs to be between 30-50Ra. He said it doesnt matter, and his machine can do 50-70 and it will work fine. (I sorta feel like a douche now, but at least he could give me numbers on the finish)

After I asked a few more questions, I could tell he had the look on his face of "Shut up Kid, I Know What I'm Doing"

So I left it with him, and even though it's an hour away, I can get the boring, surfacing, align hone, and balancing all done at the same place. smile


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I will be shootin up Thursday if anyone wants to join
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Well that kit was too good to be true....

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Re: Cleanawd project [Re: Mike Kuttschrutter] #329658
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Mike,
that info on surface finishes was wrong. I think even the BEST high RPM CNC milling machine is going to have a tough time getting as good a surface finish as a mediocre surface grinder..

Segmented wheels? Not sure where this guy gets his info? Maybe on a Blanchard grinder which is a bit of a dinosaur. Any decent reciprocating grinder will give you a better finish than milling...

Sounds like your engine is in good hands


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I guess reading can only get me so far.
I knew when i seen a block welded back together, and couple thousand hp drag motor sitting there that my stuff was in the right hands.

This is my first time doing this. ANY feedback is welcomed.


Stock.
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