Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: Michael Zeppieri]
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May 14, 2010 02:34 am UTC
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Life is so fragile. Condolences to the families of the two that passed away and I hope that the other one makes it through this.
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: Michael Lee]
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May 14, 2010 03:49 am UTC
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WOW......That person is from this board.....I don't wanna mention names though. I hope he is ok as well.
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: Neal Thibault]
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May 14, 2010 04:00 am UTC
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Ya, he is definitely from these boards. I hope he is ok!
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: Brandon Clement]
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May 14, 2010 11:10 am UTC
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Ryan Laliberte
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I know that car, it's not Darren, who the hell is it?
RIP and my condolences to the families.
Last edited by Ryan Laliberte; May 14, 2010 11:11 am UTC.
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: EK]
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May 14, 2010 11:14 am UTC
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Ryan Laliberte
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Yeah, not too many MGP Eclipses on here.
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: Ryan Laliberte]
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May 14, 2010 11:44 am UTC
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I hope he's OK, and my respects to those lost!. They mention late teens, then they mention early 20's in the same artical??, obviously the DSM driver will be the focus of the investigation not the other driver, I really hope he's not found at fault, but thats a strange place to take a hit on a straight road,, eesh.
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: Malcolm Harris]
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May 14, 2010 01:29 pm UTC
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It was raining at the time of the crash, so essentially anything could have happened. We shouldn't speculate though, especially when you consider the gravity of the situation.
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: Mike Kuttschrutter]
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May 14, 2010 07:31 pm UTC
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: Mike Kuttschrutter]
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May 14, 2010 08:10 pm UTC
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"charged with two counts of dangerous operation of a motor vehicle causing death."
That is a serious charge!! He traveled in the opposite lane? I wonder what could have been the reason behind that? I don't know the area at all, is that something that could easily happen due to confusion of the road setup?
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: Mike Petro]
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May 15, 2010 12:27 am UTC
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I am guessing they can figure out which side of the road this happened on and which way the vehicles were travelling....
I don't think they would lay such serious charges if there was any doubt. It sounds to me like they are certain he was on the wrong side of the road, they just don't know WHY he was on the wrong side of the road...and that really doesn't matter, does it?
For this to go to court so quickly, and charges laid so quickly, there can't be a lot of doubt..
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: James Karban]
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May 15, 2010 02:02 am UTC
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It could be a case of him thinking he had enough time to make the turn, or he went for the turn and something happened causing the car to stall who knows
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: Brandon Clement]
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May 15, 2010 02:20 am UTC
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As a courtesy to the person involved, who was 17, I would like to suggest that the moderators remove his name from this thread. This is a lot for the guy to deal with right now, I'm sure that both himself/his family wouldn't want this coming up in a Google search in the future. This board is wide open to search engines.
I'm SURE he didn't have this accident on purpose, and the guys' life changed forever yesterday. That's a lot to live with already, especially based on what happened. The media/law protects his identity, so should we, the guys who formed a club and friendships based on similar interests in the car that ultimately put him in this situation. I'm not blaming the car, but you know what I mean. But damn, 17 and driving a high performance car.
I was hoping that being ambiguous in the first post would catch on.
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: Michael Zeppieri]
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May 15, 2010 03:32 am UTC
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I agree Michael.
I know we all want a fellow DSM'r to come out of this unscathed, mentally and legally.
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: Anthony Hiscock]
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May 15, 2010 09:06 pm UTC
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Hope hes ok, pray that everything turns out ok ...that's two DSMs gone in 2 weeks and its not even summer..
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: Joshua Mociak]
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May 17, 2010 03:23 am UTC
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I just finished speaking with the person involved and he is Ok physically but obviously and understandably the whole mental part is not and probably won't be for some time. I am just happy to see he got out in one piece and wish him,his family,and friends a fast recovery.
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: Jay Warwick (Pham)]
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May 18, 2010 12:28 pm UTC
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This is a sad, sad, thing...but it also pisses me off a little...
Seems this young DSM driver made a mistake, and he is going to have to pay for it big time. That is how life works. Everyone worries about HIM....how about the elderly couple that are DEAD? It LOOKS like HE KILLED THEM. All have read about them is maybe because they were old their reaction time was too slow? Sorry, but I DOUBT that the 70 year olds were street racing, and what has their reaction time got to do with anything? Somebody made a dangerous turn in front of them, and that is THEIR fault? So, if I shoot a gun in your direction, it is YOUR fault for not getting out of the way of the bullet???
Not long ago there was a thread about a young fellow who killed someone after having his license suspended and alcohol in his system. Everyone wanted to kill the guy. What this guy did was no less serious, just a little less foreseeable, and everyone worries about HIM being ok?
It has yet to be determined who was at fault, but it would APPEAR he was, and if that IS the case, then some middle aged people just lost their parents because of him. Some children lost their grandparents because of him.
If this guy had been driving a honda, you would all have said shoot the fracker.....
Again, he will pay the price. He MIGHT have been better off if he HAD been killed in the accident....but I am a little sick of reading "poor DSM driver, MUST have been the old people's fault"....
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: Michael Lee]
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May 18, 2010 01:42 pm UTC
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I don't think it is "heated".....I am just somewhat opinionated, and I think a lot of people are being hypocritical.
Because they know this poor person, or simply because he drives a DSM, they want to lay the blame elsewhere....MUST be the old people with the bad reaction time...
I am just saying let's lay the blame where it belongs, wherever that is, based on facts...not based on the car he drives...
Also, how about a little sympathy and condolences for the families of the elderly couple??
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: Ziggy Dietrich]
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May 18, 2010 02:01 pm UTC
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Ziggy's got a point. Forget about the talon driver, he walked away. If those were my folks in that Volvo, it'd be different....
Whatever it was, I'm sure the authorities reconstructed the accident before laying charges. Definately a lot to deal with for the guy who walked away. Worth living for ? Yes.
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: Michael Lee]
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May 18, 2010 02:20 pm UTC
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ziggy, in any situation its like this. The people closer to you, you will always care about more. Or if you have something against someone, then the person hurt by that person, you would be on their side. You once said if a cop dies you don't care, but they are someones son or daughter, sometimes mom or dad, etc etc. But because you do not like police, its not that big deal to you.
Americans, Canadians, and other countries are overseas killing insurgents that ARE someones family and yet we are all for it. Sure we might look at them as terrorists, but one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Society as a whole is hypocritical, you and me are both part of it as well.
(the part about the war over there is just an example / playing devil's advocate. I am always down for the removal of insurgents and am proud of our canadian soldiers and what they are doing over there)
As a fellow dsm'r who was sober and gauged a turn wrong, or maybe they came out of no where and he didnt see them coming. We dont know what happened. So until then, he's a member of this board and I'm on his side. innocent until proven guilty. It's a terrible loss regardless for the families involved. But for someone who is so adament on being anti police and not caring if one gets gunned down, its extremely hypocritical to say what you said.
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: Brandon Clement]
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May 18, 2010 02:34 pm UTC
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Ziggy I understand your point and I respect it.
Brandon, the same goes for you as well.
I just think that we should lay this topic to rest, as Michael Z stated earlier, we should respect both families privacy and stop discussing this.
It's not like they're going to be on here reading all of this, but still...
That is all.
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: Michael Lee]
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May 18, 2010 04:15 pm UTC
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: Michael Lee]
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May 18, 2010 04:27 pm UTC
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I kinda held back from posting on this thread 'cause it's a bit of a sensitive subject, but . . .
I'm not necessarily referring to this incident specifically, it's more of a general statement, but here goes:
Is the value of human life somehow tied to the manufacturer of the vehicle someone happens to be driving at the time?
Think about that.
Two people are killed (and they happen to be in a Volvo). Would their lives be somehow worth more had they been in a DSM (for example)?
In this partcular incident, what if the vehicles involved were reversed. Say two people in a DSM were killed in an incident with a Volvo. What would your reactive have been? The same? Different?
These are all questions you should all be asking yourselves. Don't answer them in this thread. Sit down by yourself, in a dark room and ask yourself these questions. Keep the answer to yourself. Depending on your answer, the question that should follow is: DO YOU REALLY EQUATE HUMAN LIFE WITH CAR MANUFACTURERS?
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: Ziggy Dietrich]
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May 18, 2010 04:52 pm UTC
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Everyone worries about HIM....how about the elderly couple that are DEAD?
The majority of posts here have expressed concern over the death of the elderly couple too. All have read about them is maybe because they were old their reaction time was too slow? No one said that. Anywhere. The closest you can get to it is this: I don't understand how they can charge him if the reason for the accident is still unclear. What's to say the volvo driver wasn't paying attention around the bend in the road and struck the DSM? Which is just confusion over the speed of the charge with so few details made public. Sorry, but I DOUBT that the 70 year olds were street racing No one said this either. Not long ago there was a thread about a young fellow who killed someone after having his license suspended and alcohol in his system. Everyone wanted to kill the guy. What this guy did was no less serious, just a little less foreseeable, and everyone worries about HIM being ok? Drinking and driving is a serious error in judgement. Making a left-hand turn with too little room is just a mistake. Yes, they can both kill. That doesn't mean they're equivalent moral errors. If this guy had been driving a honda, you would all have said shoot the fracker..... I doubt that. I am a little sick of reading "poor DSM driver, MUST have been the old people's fault".... No one said that either. In conclusion, respectfully STFU Ziggy.
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Re: DSMer involved in fatal accident
[Re: James Karban]
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May 18, 2010 04:58 pm UTC
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It looks like the dsm was trying to turn into the exit lane, and the elderly couple, with slower reaction time kept driving straight and hit the dsm. The other quote blaming the volvo driver was by mike petro, I just dont know how to insert that here... Now YOU show ME the quotes where someone SPECIFICALLY expressed ANY concern for the old couple or STFU YOURSELF...
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