Looks like after all these years Mike Rizzoti finally broke into the 9's on a stock block with a 9.98@140mph. That's FLYING!!!

So much for needing a built motor to run 12s

Right on!!

http://www.youtube.com/v/LxU_uOIWiF4?fs=1&hl=en_US

That is f'n AWESOME!!!

That is bad ass, what a great run.

I know Mike for the past 15 years; his car is my favorite DSM of all times; (Red 1Ga).

I always make a point to drop by and talk to him everytime I see him at the Ohio SO. Guy is amazing, glad he did it.

At last; vid did not work for me so anyone feel free to "repost".

Ghislain

Wow, amazing, just found this Ghiz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfb9evWDUO4

Very awesome.

Stock Block FTW! Like I never said that before, lol. Todd M is not that far behind him

There's nothing like pounding on a stock block running 10's all day with nothing to worry about. Waaay better than an INCONSISTENT all out race car running mid 10's once in a blue moon on a 40r sized turbo, lol.

I met Mike briefly at the shootout this year and what blew me away more than the fact that he's on a stock block is that we has over 600 passes on it and not someone who just cranked the boost up and went fast once.

More importantly its all in the tune. Sure you could blow a stock block up much easily than a built block, but if you know how to tune, I think sky is the limit

This does confirm that Todd M is not just a "one off" miracle.....

Now thats a testament of what an 18 year motor will do when tuned properly. If your tuner isn't confident running mere 12's with a stock block, you need to find yourself another tuner!

Bah, big money doesn't mean big power. Just because you can slap on a 40R sized turbo onto a midly built motor doesn't mean you can run low 10s all day long.

I just can't wait to get E85 in this area.

Now is this 7bolt or 6bolt block?

Thats a stock 6-bolt block. FWIW there is a stock 7-bolt 2G going 10.3

Yeah... I know...

Thats nuts that he was able to pull a 9 off on a stock block. Wouldn't you say its a bit reckless to be boosting that hard on stock though? or is the general concensous that stock internals are fine for a few 1/4's every now and then?

Research WHO Mike Rizzotti is, he's one of the pioneers of the DSM Tuning community, along with Todd Day, Buschur Racing... Forcep... wait... no....

Not reckless at all IMO, stock blocks are low compression Tuning is the key, and it will do it over and over again.

stock rods or 1g rods?

Stock unmolested 7 bolt 2G.

when you say stock block does he mean its the original one that came with HIS car when he first bought it? if so then thats pretty impressive..

That's correct!

stock head gasket and stock head bolts ?

its heavily modded with a stock block only.

http://www.rizzottiracing.com/specs.htm

Todd is the one running stock composite head gasket, and stock headbolts. His best ET has been 10.3, with a smaller turbo(61mm vs 67mm) than Mike Rizz, and without the use of racegas. Just as impressive if you ask me!

More impressive if you ask me.

^^^ X2.

Now what about stock 2G/1G AWD tranny, transfer case, and rear diff?

Just guessing here, but there's absolutely no way he could be on the stock transmission, he would be shredding input shafts at will, and absolutely destroying the stock centre diff! I would also expect he has a Cusco or Quaife (sp?) front differential, and upgraded front and rear DSS axles to deal with that kind of abuse!

Just a guess though

what about it ?

I would say the record for a stock 2g/1g AWD tranny, t case and rear diff that takes 10 cranks to start goes to you
You are definately the fastest in that category, lol.


I'm pretty sure he's on a Shep stage 4 trans, though if you think a completely stock trans can't go deep into the 10's think again There's quite a handful of powerful cars on stock trannies. All my ten second passes were on a completely stock JDM early style 90's, open front diff, weak gvr4 1st and stock center diff tranny.

^^^
This is why I said "just a guess" ha-ha...I would have thought the weakest link would be the stock open centre diff, but if you're able to run a 10 second pass on it, I guess it all depends on launching style, and if you put most of the abuse on the clutch or the drivetrain...

Mike runs a welded center diff Shep stage 4 with stock 4 bolt rear axles.

I run a stock 91 style Shep Stage 1.5 with double synchro 2nd and welded center diff and stock 4 bolt rear axles.


We have both gone the twin disc route with terrible results and now both have ACT2900 setups.

It's awesome all the same, I thought I was doing good, stock 2G bottom end with 200,000k, FP Green, stock tranny with 4 spider center diff going 11.3. Great job guys!

Jim

You ARE doing good Jim especially in light of all the negative publicity 7 bolts have received over the years. This is why I find the great times that stock 7 bolt block motors run more impressive than stock 6 bolt blocks.

Agreed.....great numbers, Jim!!

Right on Jim! Stock 7 bolt FTW!

Just to point out, Daniel Daraiche has gone 9.2 in his Colt, stock 6 bolt bottom end, 2700lbs.

Testament to good Mitsubishi Engineering, and proof you don't need no "stage 3" to reliably do those times.

He's from DSM Quebec (coltdie).

sounds good to me!

It doesn't matter how good your tune is rods, and pistons fail, in another post of his he admitted he is pushing things and that was the last past probably on that motor. You don't need built internals but they are stronger and one oil down and put your car in to the wall you go from hero to zero.

Well of course he's pushing things, but that's the point isn't it? I mean, if you wanted to be completely safe and have parts that are engineered for that kind of abuse, that's when you build a motor to run 12's, to feel "safe".

Isn't that the point of what we all try and do? Push the limits?

There are Nay-Sayers out there who will pick apart the accomplishment, like saying "Oh, balance shafts pulled out isn't stock block anymore yo..."

Or laugh at the fact that this stock 19 year old motor has had hundreds of passes on it.

He went 9.92 not 9.2.

This is awesome, check out the haters getting all worked up about him running 9's on a stock block

PAT FISHER: "Put all the go-fast goodies you want on a "stock block". IF it holds together, maybe you'll go fast like that guy. But it WILL blow. Possibly wrecking everything else under the hood. I don't see the point when there's the option to build a motor that will take it day in and day out.
I guess it's so he can claim to be the "Fastest stock block guy". hahaha."

Lol, these are the so called "hardcore" guys that overtorqued an oil filter, wrecked a built motor in their race car, and called that just "racing"
Here they are getting all worked up about a guy who runs 9's on a stock block. AWWWW ! I think this is the first group of people I have come across that are obviously quite jelous of Mike's accomplishment. What else would you expect from Forcepower

Funny, on another board Mike Rizz mentions something about haters coming out of the woodworks. I guess Forcpower sits at the top of that list, jokes!

I enjoyed Mark's response:

Like so many other things, another pointless exercise IMO.
Now I guess we have to ask "what is a stock block.
???
Has it ever been opened up.
Does it have stock bearings.
Does it have stock rings.
Are the balance shafts eliminated.
Has it had any machining done.
etc. etc. etc.
I don't know the answers to any of the above, I just don't see the point in what Mike is doing. Guess it's time for all the shops building motors to pack it up. lol

Of course, lets pick it apart to try and discredit it.

I like how he throws in the "4 wheel DSM parts catalog" to downplay the fact that it is still running the original stock bottom end.

Hi guys, thank you for the kind words. Just joined this forum but probably know many of you. Reza, I am curious who that was and where they posted it? I would say who ever said that obviously dosen't know me or the car! My goal has always been the 9 second pass. The fact that is was a " record " was just a bonus. As many of you know, this was far from a one run wonder. The car has been running low 10's for a few years, and high 10's for the last six years. Funny, I guess that is not " day in and day out " per the quote above. It literally has at least 600 runs on the block ( which is the original ).










Just to clarify:

Never opened up other then to remove balance shafts ( 10 years ago )
Stock, original bearings
Stock, original rings
Stock, orignal rods/pistons
Stock, original front case
Stock, original crank
NO machine work ever.

Last time on the dyno ( 3 years ago ) it made 596 ( Dynojet ). The car was trapping 135 at that point. I may strap it down on a dyno just to see where it is at.

The plan is to retire it this winter. I honestly think it could go 9.8 with better traction. Here is a better video with a view from the starting line and in car, you can clearly see how much I am working the steering wheel into third.

http://www.streetfire.net/video/rizzotti-racing-talon-first-stock-block-dsm-in-the-9s_2085769.htm

Welcome, Mike. Thanks for clarifying how stock and reliable your block is

The trash talk is from a certain shop near London, Ontario.
http://www.forcepower.ca/forums
But it looks like you have to sign up to get in these days.
You wouldn't last a day in there since you are faster and quicker than their shop car.

Welcome to the fourms!
Any chance you would be making a stop by Sparta drag strip this season coming up

Nice to see you here Mike I'll give you a quick run down:

According to them, you "supposedly" know who they are and were scared to run them at the Buschur shootout as well, well atleast thats what they claim and what I read on their forum, lol. Wish I could pull up Pat or Mark Fishers post but they've locked up their forum to the public now.

I don't blame you for not knowing who or what Forcepower is, but you can consider them a die hard haters club Being # 1 on tooners is their definition of Hardcore.

A couple of us guys here have gone decently fast on stock blocks too, so Forcepowers original hatred was mainly to us Team Pump gas & Meth guys. They were definately pretty angry about us going fast on oem stuff .

They thought my 10's on pump gas/meth and stock block was a one time wonder, but then they really started working up a storm when others started going even faster on stock blocks, like yourself and Todd M.

Now anyone who goes fast on a stock block, pump gas/meth, or has a full weight car is enough to get a thread going over there, on when that stock motor will blow.

A few of their members claim this negative publicity is good for their business. Yup I could picture a line up of DSMer's knocking on their front door RIGHT NOW!

Define "retire it."

Wow, really? Now I have to join their forum! I do not concern myself with who I am racing, I race my car and cannot control what happens in the other lane. I don't care who I race or how quick it is. I have always said I don't mind loosing to a faster/quicker car. I have never been " scared " of racing anyone. Are these the same guys that cried about a car that had a Nitrous bottle in the car at the Shootout? If so, I do know their car because they cried about loosing on BR's forum.

I believe their car ran high 10's at the Shootout. sh!t, I ran a 11.1 with the clutch slipping the entire length of the track! I swapped the clutch when I got home that same week and went back to the track, ran a 10.3, 10.1, 10.1, 10.0, 10.0. Yes I am very scared! Now I am fired up!! :

Thanks for the welcome guys!




Where is it?






Put it on a engine stand and leave it my garage.

Thank you Rob. I checked out their site. Other then saying they have " Canada's fastest AWD " I did not see any numbers for their shop car. I signed up for their forum, let's see if I get approved.

Hum interesting?

Good luck on that approval Mike, but welcome to Club DSM Canada.

Their "race team" consists of a bunch of highly over-built cars running low 12s/high 11s on 35R's, and their mentality is that it takes an Eagle 4340 crank to run more than 600WHP. Their "700whp" Talon that runs mid 10's is a testament to their idiocy.

When you get the chance, read up on their headgasket theory, it's priceless.

And to answer your question, yes they were the bunch of Marys whining at the shootout because they lost (which is on video, and it's spectacular).

Their mentality is hardcore or nothing, and if you look at their "trophy" box if you want to call it that, most of it is completely fabricated on their terms no matter what anyone else says. "Quickest vs Fastest", "We were once almost the winner of this but the winner had this and we didn't think it was fair so we consider us the WINNARZZ!!!"

Mention that their car isn't as fantastic as they think it is on their forums. They'll ban you faster than you can spell DSM.

Come on up to Canada, take the trip from your neck of the woods and run a few passes at Sparta (St Thomas) with the rest of us next year. You'll be pretty much guaranteed that Forcepower will be there in full force, and quite a few of the faster guys on DSM Canada to lay down some "Grassroots" beatdowns.

From a technical standpoint, OH MY GOD do they need a new webmaster.

I'd love to be there for that.

Good day/evening Mike and welcome to the club.

Do not know if you remember me but I'm the guy with the thick french accent that always make a point to drop by and say hello.

The Red 1Ga has always been my favorite and to see that you have got your 9 sec slip on a stock block make your "Sled" the coolest in my books.

See you at the SO next year.

Ghislain

Welcome Mike! I have followed some of your progress on 'Talk, have the 2010 DSM calendar with both of our cars in it of course, mine was about 4 seconds slower lol

I love walking into my garage, looking at my car, and seeing a lot of potential.

Hi Ghislain, yes I remember you. I believe I talk with you at most of the Shootout's I have attended. Was that you at the NY area rest stop on the way home from this year's Shootout? Thank you for the compliments.

Yes that was me.

Ghislain

He doesn't look too excited about it.....you would think he could show some emotion!!

Well I thought I would make it public that on my last run of this season I missed a shift into second and pretty sure I floated a valve north of 9K. I guess that was enough for the poor stock valve train to give up. My plan for next year is to throw on another head with some upgraded springs and a better set of cams. The same old head bolts will be re-used and again an off the shelf Mitsubishi composite head gasket. Same untouched block from Kevin's 91 Laser as well.

Oh and another small change... automatic.

Welcome to the club Mike.

Todd; I think that you got Wryan somewhat excited!!!

Can we expect to see you in Norwalk next year???

Ghislain

I think Norwalk should be an annual "pilgrimage" for any DSMer

Sorry to hear about the breakage, Todd. Look at the bright side, though...I am sure you just made their X-Mas over at Farce Powa. I am sure they are jumping for joy saying "told you it would break"....

Anyways, look forward to seeing your 9 second run next year...

I am planning to be there.

Thats sucks, I had a similar last run. I missed a 3-4 shift as well, datalog showed 10200rpms! I was lucky though, no piston to valve contact. I have the Crower springs/retainers (not BC), I know some don't like them but they made my day

Todd that sucks, but at least it is a fairly easy fix. I have Kiggly springs/retainers and am constantly shifting in the 9300-9500 Rpm range.



I will also be making a transmission change, but not to an auto.

Dogbox?

^^^ That'd be my guess! Wait until the haters get a load of you guys next year!

Welcome aboard Mike

Yes, I came across a good deal on a Shep/PPG dogbox.