Need honest machine shop in GTA
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January 10, 2011 07:36 pm UTC
January 10, 2011 07:36 pm UTC
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Tim Sedore
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Hey Guys, i have a 99 eclipse gst motor that i need built. It is currently out of the car and i should have all the parts. I just need someone to machine it and put it together. I have the following: Eagle steel crankshaft Eagle forged connecting rods H beam Wieseco 8:3:1 85.5mm (20 thou overbore) forged pitons Wieseco Rings Ferrea Titanium Valves 6000 series HKS Titanium springs Viton valve stem seals Ferrera Valve locks AEM true time cam gears OBX underdrive pully, All other pullys lightweight also Cometic multi layer performance head gasket ARP studs Can anyone recomend a decent shop that wont ask for my first born? I live in Oakville but I am willing to go anywhere in the GTA within reason. Thank you my fellow DSM'ers
99 Eclipse GST RIP 08 Evolution GSR 440HP/410TQ 11.96 @ 116 MPH(more to come)
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Re: Need honest machine shop in GTA
[Re: ruben silva]
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January 11, 2011 04:19 pm UTC
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Daren Peacock
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Actually I'll add to this thread as well. I'm also looking at getting my 7 bolt done as well. Does anyone have experience with shops that have done 7 bolts before? (split thrust). One of the shops I'll be looking at is Rainbow Engines in Markham, I know they've done alot of 6 bolts just wasn't sure about 7's.
I'd like my squirters welded up when I do my build. Also want ARP main studs so need an align hone. Not sure what all machining is required but I'd want all the typical stuff, balanced rotating assembly, etc. Also thinking about O-ringing the block.
Tim, looks like a good build but I probably wouldn't run the OBX underdrive pullies. I'd recommend a good engine dampner like Fluidampr.
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Re: Need honest machine shop in GTA
[Re: Daren Peacock]
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January 11, 2011 06:36 pm UTC
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Michael Zeppieri
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There are a few guys on here that continue to run a 7 bolt without issues, but if you're looking for a build up, why not start with a 6 bolt platform? The purpose of going with a built motor is for reliability and longevity. Why not take out one of the concerns (or lessen the concern) from the equation? The last thing you want to do is sink thousands into a block that MIGHT head down the same path as so many before it. Your choice though.
A poorly built 6-bolt (or even poorly tuned) can sh!t the bed just like any other motor, so I'm not saying that it's the be-all, end-all.
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Re: Need honest machine shop in GTA
[Re: Michael Zeppieri]
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January 11, 2011 07:04 pm UTC
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Daren Peacock
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I thought about going 6 bolt but think I've switched back to sticking with 7 for a couple reasons. First because I'm anal & I don't want to run some guys junky 6 bolt parts on my car, so that means buying new or sourcing like new & probably still have them refinished. That, with additional 6 bolt specific parts will easily run me another $1500+ ontop of the build. 2nd, my motor should be the split thrust design. Most people I talk to say they worry more about the builder then 6 vs 7 bolt. Then if its the split thrust, worry even less. Aren't all/most strokers a 7 bolt, do they have all kinds of issues? What about Evo motors, their a 7 bolt, do you see their builds walking all the time?
Another big issue seems to be clutch itself, I won't be running a 2600+ PP, it'll be a 2200-2300lb.
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Re: Need honest machine shop in GTA
[Re: Tim Sedore]
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January 11, 2011 09:28 pm UTC
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Daren Peacock
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You can still run your 7 bolt tranny with a 6 bolt bottom, just need to swap flywheels. If I built a 6 bottom, wasn't planning on ditching my TRE tranny & would keep the 7 bolt head/evoIII intake mani.
Yes, the revised split thrust was Mitsu's design to prevent CW. Don't think it completely eliminates it but it does seem to help vs previous gen 7 bolts. Again, alot has to do with the builder. If I go 7, I also plan on having the oil squirters welded shut. You don't need them with aftermarket pistons & that can help eliminate a possible cause of CW. Apparently they can fail in the open position (if you've seen a pic their much smaller then 6 bolt squirters), which causes them to continue to squirt when they aren't supposed to, like at low rpms, such as idle. This can take the oil supply away from the crank mains. So from what I've heard its a good idea to eliminate them.
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Re: Need honest machine shop in GTA
[Re: ruben silva]
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January 12, 2011 02:46 pm UTC
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Tim Sedore
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Wow great job. I am going to take my motor to him for sure. Ok i got the breakdown of what they are wanting to charging me. Disassemble engine and inspect 75 Disassemble second engine 100 Select parts for reuse and degrease 175 Repair on crankshaft 310 Balance assembly 175 Bore and hone cylinders 300 Machine Deck of block 100 Check main and rod clearance 100 Modify block to eliminate balance shafts 75 Resize pin holes for correct pin to piston clearance 75 Cut ring end gaps 50 Disassemble head and clean/check valves 400 Assemble complete engine 600 Parts: Main bearings 40 Rod bearings 30 T/washers 12 Rings 78 New belt 26 For a grand total of $2721 I think i will be taking my business elsewhere Also the crank he charged me $310 for looks like crap! Looks beat up to me. Hopefully Gord can srt this out
99 Eclipse GST RIP 08 Evolution GSR 440HP/410TQ 11.96 @ 116 MPH(more to come)
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Re: Need honest machine shop in GTA
[Re: Tim Sedore]
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January 12, 2011 03:32 pm UTC
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Reza Mirza
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Its interesting seeing what other people charge for engine builds and machine work Some machine shops are RIP offs. I've been using the same guy in Markham for many years now, and never once had a problem with any builds, stock or built. Its nice seeing a lot of DSMers going to Rainbow now over the last few years after seeing my success with them . Actually my success comes from my tuning skills, not the machine shop. In fact rebuilding a 4g63 motor should be like riding a bicycle for any reputable engine shop. Easy engine to work with. Machine work and engine building is not rocket science. I give my specs to Paul @ Rainbow, my engines come out perfect, I don't need to triple check everything, break em in and bang off 10's all day. A proper machine shop that builds engines all day long should have reasonable prices. I would never pay $400 for a complete head rebuild Some people have just never had an engine built before, and get too complicated about it. Preparation before starting the motor and during assembly is KEY too.
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Re: Need honest machine shop in GTA
[Re: Reza Mirza]
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January 12, 2011 03:56 pm UTC
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KEVIN KIRELUK
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Its interesting seeing what other people charge for engine builds and machine work Some machine shops are RIP offs. I've been using the same guy in Markham for many years now, and never once had a problem with any builds, stock or built. Its nice seeing a lot of DSMers going to Rainbow now over the last few years after seeing my success with them . Actually my success comes from my tuning skills, not the machine shop. In fact rebuilding a 4g63 motor should be like riding a bicycle for any reputable engine shop. Easy engine to work with. Machine work and engine building is not rocket science. I give my specs to Paul @ Rainbow, my engines come out perfect, I don't need to triple check everything, break em in and bang off 10's all day. A proper machine shop that builds engines all day long should have reasonable prices. I would never pay $400 for a complete head rebuild Some people have just never had an engine built before, and get too complicated about it. Preparation before starting the motor and during assembly is KEY too. What that guy said! I too have been using the same machinist, excellent work, will never go to another!
TPG+Meth You can't tune out mechanical problems!!!
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Re: Need honest machine shop in GTA
[Re: Tim Sedore]
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January 14, 2011 07:31 pm UTC
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Ryan Laliberte
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Better question, is there a reason why you are running an Eagle crank?
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Re: Need honest machine shop in GTA
[Re: Tim Sedore]
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January 18, 2011 01:00 am UTC
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Ghislain Goudreau
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I know that I'm late into your post but Gord Bush is probably 1 of the 10 best machine shop in Canada.
Lot of reputable race team uses his services.
Keep us up to date.
Ghislain
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Re: Need honest machine shop in GTA
[Re: Chris Browning]
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February 01, 2011 11:26 pm UTC
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Steve Kinnaird
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IF you have an EPROM ECU, a custom chip and a used AFC is a cheap way to do it...
Now, I'll have all kinds of time to talk about DSMs, because I won't be busy fixing mine!
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Re: Need honest machine shop in GTA
[Re: Tim Sedore]
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February 01, 2011 11:43 pm UTC
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Ghislain Goudreau
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I also have a B.E.G.I. Rising Rate Fuel Pressure Regulator which have not yet decided if i am going to use. It is supposed to raise the fuel levels under higher boost. I will probably still need a manual fuel regulator. Back up the Truck; Do you know for sure what "rate" your BEGI Gizmo in raising fuel pressure??? Like Rob said it should raise the Fuel Pressure 1 psi per psi of Boost. Some Yo-Hip b.s. "Fuel Pressure Regulator will raise it as much as 11:1. Some are also comnonly known as FMU or secondary Fuel Pressure Regulator. That crap is old school and was never proven to work well with modern ECUs. E-Manage should be a decent platform to Tune with but might limit you to a certain size Injectors. All in all; making power out of a 4G63 is very well documented and we tend to use certain "wayz" as they yeild decent, consistent results. Sell you E-Manage and that "unknown" FPR, use the money for a Peckerhead Chip, a SAFC or DSMLink. Hope this helps. Ghislain
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Re: Need honest machine shop in GTA
[Re: Tim Sedore]
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April 21, 2011 03:18 pm UTC
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Reza Mirza
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Holy, your turbo sure sits low with that v-band adapter plate. Any idea how its going to fit ?
What cams, and did you assemble the motor and degree them yourself ?
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