keep in mind. I am well aware that a car is only as good as it was treated previous.

I owned a 93 talon for years was a great car very reliable, modded to the point where i was running out of things to do lol. But alas, a meeting with a dodge ram @ an 80 km intersection ruined all that.

Fast forward to today. I recently purchased a 97 eclipse GSX. 6 bolt swap and lowered. car is quite sound, not many known issues were jumping out at me when i bought it. I get it home and decide the first thing I am going to do is complete energy suspension poly bushing swap.
After several hours of fighting with axles and bearings, i ended up having to replace a couple axles and a couple bearings due to siezed splines. ok, fine. its a thirteen year old car.

So i take it for a spin and it starts spewing power steering oil over the top of the reservoir. after trying to bleed and refill bleed and refill, I pull back the bellows on the rack, full of fluid.... crap. ok, fine. its a thirteen year old car.

After rebuilding the rack and reinstalling it, i take the car for a spin.... again. my gf and I dont get a block from the house and i can feel this god awful noise beginning to rap off the floorboards. bring it home, jack up and spin, sounds like t-case.
maybe its just my car in particular but I am feeling like i may have made the wrong decision going 2G.

wondering if anyone has opinions on this.

Well I may be biased, since I have never owned a 1G, and am on my second 2G, but that really just sounds like a string of bad luck you've been having, as $hiTTy as that may be.

I don't believe that power steering racks or T-cases are "common" replacement items on a 1G or a 2G, but seized axles are somewhat common on the 2G's from what I've experienced. I've found that just by simpling cracking the axles nuts every year and making sure I can move the spline of the axles in the wheel hubs, I avoid any of that happening to me now.

I feel your pain though Jamie, I've had a couple bad strings of luck over the past 8 years (all previous car), where it felt like the universe just wasn't aligned for me to own that car and have it be reliable

Good Luck

Biased as well, due to not owning a 1g, but from all the reading I have done, it doesn't seem to be a overwhelming amount of 1g is greater than 2g or 2g greater than 1g.

Just had my 2g a year and a half, pretty much pure stock, 90k miles, and nothing has gone horribly awry...other than the oil feed line splitting right by the turbo...oil everywhere! Luckily I was still in my garage...

Anyways, as much as we hate how things can come down to which one is more visual appealing, I believe that is the case for the DSMs. If you like the lines of the 2g, get a 2g. If you like the lines of the 1g, get a 1g. Either way you go, it will be pretty much the identical path.

Yeah from what I researched when I bought mine I had a 97 or a 91 on the buying blocks I chose 91 just cause it holds a special spot in my life as its what started my love for faster cars.
I think the 2G is wicked eye candy

2G's are nothing but problems with their sh!ty OBDII system and rusty strut towers. Absolute lemons and although I own one, I would trade it for a 92-94 AWD any day of the week.

I think with any car especialy DSMs how the car has been taken care of really matters.I have owned 3 DSMs 2 1gs and a 2g I've owned my 95 tsi for 13yrs.There is no rust on the strut towers or anywhere for that matter,and still pulls like a freight train

It makes me laugh when I see my post count,Im one of the oldest members,but theres guys here 6 months with more posts

When you do that trade and something goes wrong with the 1g you will rant on dsms period ahaha. It all comes down to how the car was taken care of. Ive owned both 1g and 2g. Took care of them small problems here and there nothing crazy that makes me go insane and just quit. But I inspected the sh!t out of the car's I bought, except for my first one but still turned out ok.

No actually i wouldn't. The 1G's are far better cars period. I owned one for 7 years and never gave up on it. Looking back at it now, I sold it to get into the 2G's and that was the worst f@cking mistake I ever did. Problem is good condition 1G's are very difficult to find now a days and all you see for sale is 2G's

BTW, I wonder if you and Jamal are related because you both like to pick on me and quite honestly I am growing very tired of it.

Sergio, no offense, but if you're complaining about your 2g with rusty strut towers, then why did you buy it? Haven't ever heard about anyone really complain about their OBDII connection either?

Like anything, you get what you pay for. If you got a 2g for $2000, then yeah, it won't be perfect.

I have owned several 1gs (fwd and awd) and several 2g's. 1g's were built out of stronger metal(more solid)less prone to rust, mechanically simple cars. One thing I have learned about 2g's is that you have to find one with low kms!!! and it must be from a southern U.S state where there is no snow/salt. Right now I have a 97 Eclipse spyder from Florida with 70k Miles, and it is the most reliable dsm I have ever owned. Not to mention a rust free car feels solid.

No, Ive never talked to or met Jamal. I just don't support what your saying. So your telling me you didn't have any problems with your 1g? Its hard to find a good condition 1g, its also hard to find a good condition 2g. Theres alot for sale that have been hacked up. Most of the problems we face could be avoided by previous owners.

Edit: strut tower rust was major on 2gs though

I had my 1995 for the past 9 years. I like the thing; has a nice style.

When it boils down to it I still prefer the 1Ga's look. Red Talon with the Black Wing is where it's at.

1G are suposed to be "faster". I also prefer the 1G ergonomics.

Ghislain

1G is easier to work on and tune, but only by a bit.. 2G might have some special problems but the ones mentioned at the top are just general car problems. Stuff breaks!
So I think it just comes down to preference and finding one that's been maintained so you don't have everything busting at once.

Oh and definitely do not buy any ORG cars!

I've owned a few 1g's and a few 2g's. Rust was present on both generations. I've found better luck with my 2g's, my current 1g has rust and the previous owner had swapped in a JDM 6-bolt and had the transmission rebuilt at approx. 175,000km - I thought that was a little early to have to replace both the engine and the transmission. My 2g on the other hand has solid strut towers. This is just my experience.

While I own a 2G that's mainly because I prefer the look a tiny bit more then a 1G and when I bought it I didn't want something so old.

That said, 2Gs are rust buckets. I haven't seen a 1G with as bad rust problems as a 2G.

The accurate comparison between 1G & 2G should only be done when both are new. Conditions will vary a lot depending on how the car was used by previous owners.

This is very true.

This is also why I'm very hesitant to buy a modified car. You just never know what the previous owner did. Yes some people do things right but still. I've had bad experiences with buying a modded vehicle and prefer to avoid it if possible.

Yeah I got lucky and had a car that was well maintained with documentation as well as the luck to speak with the Head mechanic that worked on the car for 20 years.
That being said I am now replacing the motor or rebuilding one just cause well its a car and its 20 years old and #2 happens.
I at least know that its a solid car in general but I also know that I have to be prepared for the unexpected as its (like all DSM's) old

I sold Paul Bratina a 2g talon. That thing was really clean rust wise, not a single piece of rust under the body. The only rust that car has is strut tower rust. Thats a example of a well cared for 2g by the previous owner I bought it from. Full canadian car, you would think its from Flordia.

Its all about the previous owner of the car if that cars been beaten on then once you get it its gona give u problems like my did but that dosent realy means the car is better or worse more of the previous owner. And when it comes to 2g rust i can go under my car with out having a spot of rust anywere on the under body or even shock towers. I think the main thing with a dsm is not to buy and sell them stick to one and get it running right.

I couldn't agree more. I received my 2G with a lot of small issues but because I stuck with it and didn't give up the car is becoming more and more reliable and since I know what has been done 100% instead of what someone told me they did, I know now that if anything goes wrong its my own fault and the only person I can blame is my self. I won't give up on my 2G because hands down it's to me the best looking car out there and can deliver some impressive power(I mean 2g's in general not just mine lol)

I like the body style and interior design more on the 2G, BUT! I like the leg room and head space that a 1G gives you.

True, I really need to get a smaller wheel to fit my spider legs...head space I find just about perfect...but then again, my legs are longer than my wifes, but she has a longer body (I'm 6'2, she's 6'1) When we are both sitting on chairs besides each other, she's taller than me

I notice my knees are almost touching the dash, and my head has maybe an inch from the headliner. If I do my hair, it rubs on it. I am 6'

I'm a 2g fan, but then again I've never owned a 1g (want to someday though, but I'm thinking a laser just to be out of the ordinary :P). Styling on a 2g is just beautiful, curvy and aerodynamic. 1g looks like a wedge IMO, it's still nice, but it doesn't have that look of endless curves.

On the engine side, considering most 2gs get a 6bolt transplant, I'd say point to the 1g. They're also lighter (the 1gs) if I 'm not mistaken, same power (if both have the same turbo) less weight on the 1g = faster. Although it's probably not something hugely important, I like the 1g seatbelt system XP. It really goes to personal preference considering most things can be swapped from one to the other. The only thing left different is the styling, both interior/exterior, and the main chassis.

So performance wise, I'd have to ask someone who owned both, which handled better pound for pound assuming both had the same suspension set up, since interior and exterior styling are personal preference and engines can be swapped.

The 2G's have good head room but the issue is the seats sit too far up from the floor compared to the 1G's that sit way lower and not to mention the 2G seats are crap and don't hug you as nice as the 1G's do. But my favourite 2G feature aside from the rusty strut towers, is the rusty sunroof frame. Now that's priceless

I dont find that 1G seats hug at all (My other car has Recaro) its actually one of my only complaints on the 1G. I am 6.1 and I am pretty close to the roof but the ergonomics in general are pretty damn nice. Just wish the seat actually had bolsters to hold you in better when cornering hard

I've been in a 1gb and a couple 2gbs.

I prefer the ergonomics of the 1g, and yes the styling is purely preference, but from what I've observed, most of the go fast guys have 1gs.

I love my 97 tsi, even though she's down.

She's down because I didn't have the money or resources to get her up properly.

Other than some "minor" problems that are blatantly obvious, I think she's very reliable. No "gremlins" as of yet other than complete break down, because I didn't take care of the rear main seal from the get go.

Car was maintained fairly well by the previous owner. She started right up, first crank, after sitting for 3 years!

Minimal modifications to the car mind you, but they did a number on the interior and wiring.

Stupid blinky strobe lights and "switches" for the strobe lights.

God.

Edit: shock towers were repaired by Chrysler Canada with previous owner, still rusty in my opinion, and there's a good sized hole where rust ate right through the rear left of the car in the trunk by the wheel well, so I can see through to the ground.

The best 2g oem seats were available in 1995 and 1996 AWD models.

The 6-way power operated 2g seats that came in the AWD models (95+96) were made out of real perforated leather and even have adjustable side bolsters. If you find a set you should hold on to them.

97+ they are made out of "leatherette"

Haha "leatherette"

Was it just the leather seats with the 6 way power operated seats or the did the cloth material ones have that too?

Yeah I have a '96 AWD with grey leather interior, and they are pretty sweet seats! Probably weigh about 50 lbs each, but screw it I previously had a '95 with grey cloth interior, and even those seats were pretty good from an adjustment point of view (same 6-way adjustable power), but the cloth ripped pretty easily.

Yeah I really like my cloth seats but damn do they weigh a ton! I never tried adjusting it other then forward or back but I just tried it and it works I never knew it could do that!

I like my cloth seats in my 96, not a leather fan.

Now if they sat an inch lower, that would be sweet! There's not a lot of room in there. Hopefully next year I can swing putting a Bride Low Max in (need money and to lose a couple inches off my waist line).

Is there anyway to put a 1g seat in a 2g?

I'm sure there is, but has anyone done it?

I think they 1G is a narrower seat from what I found out when I looked into swapping in a set of 2G seats in hoeps of getting a better seat

shudder...

still trying to get to the bottom of it. I think JNZ has the correctly curved frames. Going to give it another go this year to end my sunroof woes. Might try to sand down my old frame and make a fiberglass mold.

Anthony, the 6 way power seats also adjust up and down so you can lower them! You can sit so low you barely see out the windshield.

Really?! Damn.
I wish I had power seats. I'd swap some in but I don't really want the extra weight.

I thought the adjustment for the power seats and manual seats were the same?

Guess not.

Yeah, I lowered the seats in my car and it was TOO LOW.

Had to raise it a bit.

With your height, I think it would be exactly what you're looking for Anthony.

I don't remember there being height adjustment on my seats.

I've lived with it thus far, I can continue to. Until a nice bucket seat finds it's way into my car.

You may have power seats, but how many of you 2g guys have power seatBELTS?! +1 for 1G!!!

You could get a 1G with power seat belts? what years?

US 1G's got power seat belts.

Yeah my leather seat in my 2g can go all the way to the floor. I also raise it a bit because it gets way too low.

Power seat belts suck. I have them in my Eclipse and i hate them. Theyll be going up for sale eventually.

Thank God power seat belt's weren't brought over to Canada. My brother's winter beater Saturn had them and holy sh!t they sucked.

Haha yea...
I've gotten so used to them though, that I forget to warn people about them, then they get clotheslined. That's usually worth a laugh.

Sergio, thanks for thinking about me but I have no desires or intentions picking on you

I have only owned 1G Talons. 2 1Gb's and 1 1Ga.

To me, I find the 1Gb Talon to be the best looking. I like my '92, for the simple fact it's 6/4.

I really like 2Gs as well. I've driven a few, and been around them for a while.

But, there is just something about the 1G interior that I love. If you ever driven one, then sat in the passenger seat, you will understand how much everything is focused towards the driver. I like the high console and low shifter, and the way everything wraps around the driver.

To this day, a 1G is still a sharp looking car, and will turn heads.

However, I also love the timeless look of the 2G. I swear, I look at some and they do not look like 10+ YR old cars.

Can't agree more on this point.
However I love how the 2G interior is aimed towards the driver as well, all angled towards you. This was actually the first thing my GF commented on when she got her first ride in the Talon.

Even the radio faces the driver.. "Back off, get your own radio!"
1G controls and gauges are definitely more fighter pilot though

^ Yup.

All you have as the passenger is the "oh sh!t" handle, and if you're lucky a power window button.

Or just have one of each! lol

That 2G looks gorgeous. I'm honestly thinking about doing a 2GB Talon swap instead of keeping my 2GB eclipse

Is your 2g's hood open? That looks like a pretty big gap on the front.

Regardless, looks good Ian. Both AWD?

Yup, both AWD. The 2G is Blaynes, no way I'd own 2 of them.