I don't like to post bad guy posts, and don't do it often, but this goof has left me no choice. Back in OCTOBER of last year he left here with a brand new flywheel, leaving his PROMISE to pay THAT NIGHT by EMT... Over the next few weeks, I got various stories about back injury, financial difficulties, etc. I think you guys know I am generally pretty patient.
Then, the guy's cell phone is disconnected, and no-one answers his home phone anymore. I must have left at least 30 messages that went unanswered. Finally, I posted and asked someone to take a drive by up there....and sure enough someone did...and he calls me. His "excuse" was "I don't like to call someone if I don't have the money for them". Apparently, he feels HIDING for 9 months is much better.
Amazingly enough, about the same time, I see him posting on here after not being on for nine months, looking to buy a turbo. I dial his number, and he actually answers the phone, and promises to pay me HALF the money this Friday......fine....

A couple hours later, he calls up all pissed off that I "put his address on the internet". What kind of fracking moron is he? His address is on Canada 411, does he not know that is on the internet? And what does he think? Is he some rock star or something? Or maybe he doesn't want anyone to know where he is because he is a Fracking deadbeat.

I am done extending credit to people. Next guy who NEEDS something he can't afford for a few days, I will give him Thomas' address and phone number...

I think this asshole is just looking for any excuse to not pay what he owes....

Anyways, be careful dealing with him...get cash up front!!

lmfao

My name is not on Canada 411 loser lol ... Made arrangements to pay u Friday and u fucked up ... Posting names and address and also requesting randoms to drive by my parents house is not cool ...

Great, so your parents name is on Canada 411...and why isn't yours?? because you didn't pay your phone bill either, ...what a fracking loser...

Ya, you also made arrangements 10 months ago, and it was a lie then too....

Thanks for the flywheel Zig ... Have a good one

Your welcome....enjoy the rest of your life as the thief and scum you are...

I am out a flyhweel, you just ruined your reputation....try buying that back with four hundred bucks, LOL...

Ten four ...

WOW Thomas you’re an idiot. Ziggy is kind enough to allow you to take a part and pay him later, I could understand a week or so but 10 months, that’s brutal. You just ripped off a well liked board member, not good for someone who is a newbie on probation. And "Thanks for the flywheel Zig... have a good one" really?

I vote we start a poll to boot this guy. Someone like this does not deserve the privilege of being on this board. what do you think mods?

Boot me ... Dont care

Well, I am going to once again put out the call for a drive by. THis idiot lives at his parents house, that is:

1888 Glendale Drive,
Pickering Ontario.
L1V 1V7

His parents phone number is 905-421-0137

Looks like I am going to have to sue the moron...so if someone could get me the name of the tow truck company he works for, or know any other information about him, it would be much appreciated....

Thanks in advance...

Ok now this pisses me off. Ziggy, nobody else will be going to Thomas's place unless you want to, and I won't be going there for anything that has to do with this issue anymore.

I WENT TO VISIT THOMAS TODAY with my wife, and DID NOT do a drive by! I'm probably one of the only guys on this board who knows Thomas, and because I have not seen him for about 6 months, and because you have asked me to, I did go to his house (which I would not have done for anyone else)

I was going to tell you Ziggy that I went by there and that Thomas advised me that he would pay you when he had the money, thats all. I'm not here to solve everyones problems.

I guess you guys have taken things in your own hands now, and Thomas I did come by your place to say "Hi" and make sure this sh!t did not get out of proportion.

Now after the posts above, I've leave this fuckin bull sh!t in both of your hands.

Two points I wanted to say from this fucked up situation:
(1) Ziggy please don't extend anyone credit even if they know me. ( I refer everyone I know with a DSM to you, so if they say they know me, it does not mean sh!t).
If I was running a business, I wouldn't extend any cheap ass on this board credit. If you don't have money, don't buy it.

(2) This is the last time I help out someone with their DSM. I hate being the run to guy for fuckin DSM issues, and the backbone of peoples DSM problems. You guys should see my inbox sometimes, and the amount of people who like to pick at my brain. frack all you, use your fuckin heads and go figure sh!t out yourselves !

Reza,
1) sorry to have pissed you off, that was never my intention. You say NO-ONE will go by his place for me? Not sure what you mean by that? I put out a general call asking ANYONE to check things out for me. Do you speak for everyone?
I HAD asked you specifically in past, but you were obviously busy, and I didn't want to trouble you anymore. I also realize that this is not your problem, so I was NOT going to ask YOU specifically again. THAT is why I posted asking ANYONE willing to go on my behalf.
2) I do not extend credit to people just because they say they know you. It doesn't HURT if they do, and they have a better chance if they tell me they know you than if they tell me they know Helder....but that is NOT what I base my decisions on. I TRY to be helpful to people. A guy who needs his car to get to work, but doesn't have the cash until payday...I don't feel right letting them down. Anyways, I KNOW if I extend credit I WILL get burned every now and then, and had always considered this the cost of doing business the way I choose to. I am merely trying to keep those occasions from being too common, and from losing TOO much.

Only way I will spend the time to drive out there myself is to file the court papers, and I need a little more info in order to do that....so if someone OTHER than Reza is willing to help me out, it would be appreciated...

Unbelievable! Pay your debts people, or you'll live with it for the rest of your life.

Actually your right Ziggy, if anyone else DOES want to do a drive by Thomas's place, GO FOR IT !

I was trying to help you out Ziggy, but now I realized I made a mistake by even going there in the first place. If you run a business and want to extend credit then I guess you'll have to deal with the losses some way or another. Its called bad debt, some business's write it off, some don't. Some business's get collections on your ass when they sell their receivables.

Anyways I have a life too, and don't want to get involved with peoples stupid ass DSM's and their lives no more.

I don't have anymore information on Thomas, nor do I want to find out anything else. I think you have more than enough information to sue him if you want.

Reza, I appreciate all your help, both recently and before.

Yes, I know I run the risk when I choose to extend credit, but you also know there have been times when guys like Jamal and Kevin have taken parts and paid me later, and I THINK even you may have on occasion EMT'd me the funds after you got home...

I have enough info to sue him, but not going to throw good money after bad. Only going to sue if I know I can COLLECT on the judgement, so need some info on where he works. I will NOT ask you for it, just putting it out there in case anyone else wants to help me out...Lord knows I help a lot of guys on this board out also....

Ill be coming to your house to solve this like MEN, not over the internet like a little girl ... Like I said befor had full intentions of paying my debt untill I seen you posting sh!t and getting other people involved ... I dont like the fact that u post all my info over the board for a 400 debt that really wasnt paid due to injury and not working for 7 months ... And on a side note you really should watch what u call people , pretty sure "goof" is more then enough reason to see u in court ..I'll see u this week and hopefully it can be resolved but it will now take two as I feel u have crossed the line ....

Nope, goof is no reason to sue, as long as it is true,....which it obviously is

You had full intentions of paying this nine months ago. Your "intentions" PLUS two bucks gets me a coffee....

I didn't post your info because of injury and not working for 7 months.... I posted it because of lying to me and hiding from me for nine months!

I really don't like the fact that you seem to be threatening me, calling me a little girl, and an overweight slob.

Yes, I have crossed the line. YOU challenged me, so I crossed it. You can settle this like a man....pay your debt....or you can live your life KNOWING what you are....and we can continue this..

Just to add here.....a LOT of GOOD guys have their info on the net. My adress and phone number is public knowledge. Andy B. who runs this board has his address on the board, and his phone number is in Canada 411. Lots of guys buying and selling stuff put their phone numbers on here.

I know you are not royalty or a rock star....so what are you HIDING from??? If you had nothing to hide, it would not bother you to have your info made public

Thomas' mommy has said she doesn't want to be harassed....and she CLAIMS he doesn't live there...so please don't knock on the door or call the phone number ....but if someone were to get me the info off his tow truck, that would be much appreciated.

What a shitshow.
I think the moral of the story is clear, if you don't have money to buy parts then don't buy parts.

Or put it on your credit card and pay later. Ziggy isn't a bank and has a business to run and put food on the table.

It's fucked how the good guy always gets hurt. For every 1 bad customer Ziggy gets, I am sure there are 10 good ones.

More like 100 good ones. IF every 10th customer was like this guy, I would NOT be in business....

And it is satisfying to HELP the good ones

Well since we're posting to everyone about this sh!t show figured I would put in my last 2 cents ... Asked Ziggy to Apologize for posting personal info about my parents house and sending people I dont know by , which I dont like as my car is there and has quite a few dollars into it.. Told him I would drive out to him and pay him in full on Friday ... He declined my offer and told me to enjoy the free flywheel ... So looks like its all over for now other then he says he will post bad sh!t all the time regarding this debt ...

I told Thomas I would not have NEEDED to send people by had he not hidden like a weasel for 8 months and refused to answer any of my 100 or so phone calls and messages. I figure that kind of behaviour INVITES having your info posted and people sent by!

I feel I did no wrong, so I am not about to apologize.

I always thought whether you paid a debt or not depended on whether you owed it or not, NOT whether the other guy is willing to issue a BS apology when he did no wrong...

There wouldn't have been ANY posts about you if you just paid your amount owing after ordering...

^ at at the VERY least kept in touch. Sometimes unexpected things happen....but there is NO EXCUSE for hiding and not returning phone calls IF you intend to pay a debt. Seems obvious to me this guy is a deadbeat and never had any intention to pay...

Also like to clarify the "enjoy the free flywheel" comment. I told him to enjoy the free flywheel UNTIL such time as I find the time and info I need to sue him....NOT that I made a "gift" of this

Ziggy, I do know that Thomas was willing to clear this debt for the last two days with you. Heck I was even going to pay it for him and if Thomas wanted to pay me, that was up to him. He was looking for an apology for posting all his parents info on the internet, but you refuse an apology and you told him to keep the flywheel instead. I have actually met his parents, and they seem like nice individuals. If someone called my mother looking for payment for my bills, I'll be a little more than upset. Do a drive by my place, lets not even get into that....

What does he owe you now, after you told him to enjoy the free flywheel ? Or do you want to throw his parents name and address around now for no reason other than Thomas being their son, not say sorry about it, tell him to keep the flywheel, and still keep his debt open ?

This sounds about stupid to me now. Guess what , I know both of you. I went over to his house for you to tell him to pay his debt, and now I am telling you where you go a little over board.
Just being honest here, and I agree he should have paid the debt a long time ago.

Reza, he was ONLY willing to pay the debt if I made some BS apology where I feel I have done nothing wrong. I COULD have made a BS apology and gotten my money, but I have something called MORALS.

He should be paying the debt because HE OWES IT, not in exchange for something he is not entitled to. TECHNICALLY, that is EXTORTION. I never refused to accept payment, only to make an apology where none is owed.

I too would be upset if someone spread my mother's address and called there for me....or sent someone there looking for me.....but then, I pay my bills. If you owed someone for eight months, Reza, and hid from them, and refused to return their phone calls or acknowledge them in any way, you would have FORFEITED the right to become angry about your info being spread. Do you have any idea how many guys owe me money, and how much I am owed? I don't spread ANTHING about ANY of them, even though some of those debts are probably as old as this one. The difference is, they keep in touch, and do what they can.....not hide like common thieves.

I told him to enjoy the free flywheel UNTIL such time as I sue him for it. It was clear that it was NOT a gift.

The AMOUNT of the debt, as far as I am concerned, is more personal than his parents address. THAT is in the phone book,,,the amount is not.

Also, I would not have accepted payment from you for Thomas' debt, just as I would never have accepted payment for Helder's if I thought it was coming from anyone other than Helder.

Right is right, wrong is wrong.

You have not done anything wrong by getting upset that he didn't pay you. In fact he IS at fault for avoiding you for 8 months. I already know who's at fault, and was just trying to move forward with this not backwards. I thought you guys would settle this and not fight about it. Pay bill, clear the balance and done, but it did not work that way.

"I told him to enjoy the free flywheel UNTIL such time as I sue him for it. It was clear that it was NOT a gift."

Your statement here seems like he owns the flywheel now. I would not have used the "enjoy the free flywheel" comment at all, if you do plan on suing him. I'm just pointing out the obvious. Those words would definately not get someone to pay up , seems like it just causes more conflict.

I stand corrected.

"Thomas, enjoy your stolen flywheel until such time as I have the info/time to sue you for it."

better?

I would also like to move forward


As you said, it should be pay bill, clear balance, done.
Not I'll pay the bill IF...........

.....but....

This guy EARNED what he got and what he has yet to get...
He has NOT earned an apology...at least not for making the address HE GAVE ME FOR MY FILES public after hiding for eight months. Whitehorse will be the capital of Canada before that happens...

do you think I would have apologized to HELDER in any way? Not a chance.

I would also be pretty upset if someone tried to lock me in a jail cell....but commit a serious crime, and you should expect it. He is reaping what he has sown.

Here is the last msg I got from Zig Zag ... Not a good way to deal with things .. And it kinda does seem like a threat ..

Apologize and u will be paid in full .. And not over the net I'll come there in person ..

--Message--

Looks like. I don't want an apology from you, your promises mean nothing, so your apologies mean nothing either.
We are NEVER going to be "friends". IF you pay your bill, I would probably consider selling you parts again - cash up front, but that would be about it

YOu have two choices here:

1) pay the debt JUST BECAUSE YOU OWE IT.....and THEN I will decide what I will and wont apologize for.

or

2) Be a low life thief and enjoy your free flywheel....at least until I have the time and info to sue you. I believe I have another 6 years + to do that. In the meantime I WILL post EVERYWHERE that you are a thief, and I WILL post whatever public information I want EVERYWHERE....including facebook, etc.

That is in no way a threat, it is more of a promise. If you think a pitbull doesn't let go, have a chat with Helder Dapont.

^^ Bottom line, pay your debt and this wouldn't have escalated. First and foremost, you owe him his due for the part, that's easy to deduce. All the rest is in causality to that particular event. He's even willing to still sell to you if you do, with limitations, that's understandable. Most sellers would have banned you from the get-go. I think he's being more than fair, you wouldn't get that from other guys. Put yourself in his shoes in regards to the payment not made.

Hope you guys can come to a conclusion on the matter, but the facts are there.

Thomas that's not a threat.
A threat would be if he said he would come and break your legs or something.
Pay up to Ziggy like you should, and then maybe you can restore some of your good name, and then increse your chance of being a member of this board.
The majority of members stand behind Ziggy, and will not tolerate people who rip him off, and yes if you dont your name will be dragged through the entire automotive enthusiast world as a lowlife.

I have given thousands to Ziggy.And always gotten everything I have wanted. Hes as fair as they come. And Im on the other side of the Country.
After reading this its clear Thomas is doing nothing more then making excuses as to why he dont have to pay.
Thomas, there is no excuse. you got what you wanted. Pay the man. If the rolls were reversed and someone owed you 400 plus bucks, you would do what you had to to collect.
If I had all the money owed to me I would be in a much better place. So I know what its like to have people collect and then hide without paying. Very frustrating.

Never meet thomas before but dam 8 months thats a long time i've always been able to deal with ziggy on credit cause I needed parts asap and I live in manitoba now. I've been dealing with ziggy for over 4 years now on credit. I have always paid my bills when I promised him. Thanks reza for helping me figuire out my tranny problem car is almost ready to be tested and tunned at the track this sunday. Oh and thanks thomas for screwing it for me cause now ziggy decided I have to pay for my parts before he can ship. I get paid this friday which means i wont see the parts I need in time for sunday. It's okay ziggy I understand how one bad apple ruins it for everyone.

My question is why has this tool not been booted from the board yet? Helper was for pulling the same stunt.

I don't believe Helder was booted BECAUSE he didn't pay me. I was unaware for the longest of times that he was even booted. I am pretty sure he was booted for other reasons, possibly even multiple reasons. He had been booted before, and a lot of people INCLUDING MYSELF campaigned to give him another chance. After doing that, there is NO WAY would I ever have asked to have him booted. Like I said, pretty sure there was a long list of reasons in his case. I don't believe I have ever ASKED to have someone booted.

Here is the thing that no-one gets:

I am not rich, but I worked hard in my early years, and saved a few dollars. That, plus living a very simple lifestyle enables me to get along on very little. I am certainly not GETTING rich selling car parts, and I HONESTLY believe my purpose on this earth is a little more than selling car parts. I believe my purpose is to HELP people along the way. In some cases, that help is just to be able to "advance" someone something they need until they can afford it. I always think of the guy with the blown turbo, needs to replace it, but also wants to replace his manifold. He can only afford one this week, and the other item next week. So, either he is without his car for a week, or he has to do the job twice, or I help him out.
In other cases, I believe that help is in the form of teaching some of the younger members a little about life. Sergio, I don't think you can honestly say you haven't learned a little bit from me along the way. Helder was another case that needed a little "teaching". That is why I said back then I would not accept payment of his bill if I thought it was coming from anyone except Helder.
I have said the same thing here. I won't accept payment for Thomas' bill from Reza. That has taught Thomas nothing.
I also wont't accept payment with unreasonable "conditions" attached. The "contract" was made Oct. 3 2010. You don't change the rules in the middle of the game.

I would actually prefer that Thomas NOT be booted....at least not yet. He has made several attempts to clear this bill...of course, always with unreasonable conditions attached. I honestly believe owing this money IS bothering him. I think deep down inside him there is a decent person, and he just needs to learn and grow from this experience.....and pay his bill, unconditionally, of course...

This has been an interesting read and for everyone's sake that this gets cleared up.

I'm amazed at the patience that Ziggy has shown in waiting 8 months to get paid. I sure wouldn't be that nice. I've had times driving cab where people have said they would pay the next day or later in the night, and sometimes you just have to take that leap of faith that they're not out to scam you, and they will in fact come good on what they owe. And then, the saying "once bitten, twice shy" really makes it hard for you to start trusting everyone else once again.

And how does Thomas not realize that if you owe a person that only knows you through this message board, and the people that you mutually know on here, that he will not go on here and ask if anyone has seen or heard from you and check the address to see if you still live there and can be contacted there to make good on a debt. I'm sure your family does not want to see you taken to court over a simple debt that you haven't paid. Get some help if you need it, but don't make the business suffer because you think you have a point to prove.

Ziggy, you are a good man and I hope that business keeps thriving. My list is growing, but my savings haven't made it that far yet.

Thanks Luke, just don't ask for credit, LOL...
Do you also find that MOST of the time (like WELL over 90%), people ARE honest and DO come through "next day" or "payday" or whatever they promised. I don't know why Thomas didn't pay that same day as per his promise, but apparently shortly thereafter he had some sort of back injury and was off work for a while, which explains why I wasn't pushing this back in the fall of last year. All was fine at that point. It was only AFTER he stopped answering phone messages (and not like I was harrassing him, but I would want to touch base like every other week)did I start to "worry" about the debt, and escalate things a little.
As I have said, there are people who owe me more, and for a longer time, but they stay in touch and circumstances justify the delay....so I will continue to be patient with them....Just won't extend any FUTURE credit.

Funny, Thomas tells me all his friends feel I am being unreasonable in refusing to apologize, and he is right not to pay for that reason. Wonder why none of them are posting here?
It sure LOOKS like more people agree with my point of view?

Next time use your VISA if you can't come up with money, or go ask your mommy and daddy. Maybe this should teach people not to frack with Ziggy.

Who cares about what Thomas's friends think (you can call me a friend of his if you like), it has nothing to do with his bill. In fact Thomas's friends have nothing to do with his bill.

This place is lenient. Boot away mods!

I'm gonna add my 2 cents here.

First to Ziggy, I do not know how you do it man. I can't think of any other shops that would let someone pay later on, wither it be a day or a week or whatever. That just shows me how much of a stand up guy you are and why you will continue to get my business.

Now Thomas, pay you debt and move on. Also if you think public knowledge information like a phone number is grounds for a legal battle, you are sorely mistaken. You can dig up quite a bit of information with just a person's name.

Oh yeah most people come through like they say, and some even still pay extra as a courtesy for letting them get an IOU.

If he was injured and couldn't work, should be able to get disability or unemployment to help cover his bills. I don't get how you can wait 8 months and then come on here and act like it was no big deal.

Or as Reza said, get parents to help and pay them back.

I think often times people will live up to or down to what you let them know you expect of them.

I don't even have a problem with the 8 month wait. It is this "hide from your creditors" for 6 of those 8 months, THEN pretend to be some kind of "superstar"...MY information is too valuable to be made public....and MY DSM is SO much better than everyone else's, I don't want them to know where it is parked"

The guy should come down to earth. People steal Mercedes and Lexus and Porsche, not DSM's. And he is NOT some rockstar or anyting special....in fact, as it stands right now, it is quite the opposite....he is a WORTHLESS lowlife at them moment.

He has NO reason to take the "high and mighty" don't make my info public approach. Ya, a lot of people might not like it, but those people pay their bills. Break the rules of life, you forfeit some rights....it is that simple...

ONLY reason he MIGHT have for not wanting his info public, is if he is hiding from all his other creditors also....

All this just keeps ticking me off more and more ... the more crap u post zig the less of chance me driving out there to pay ... sorry but true ... your twisting words and your ideas on why I dont want my parents number flying around are way off ... lay off a little it's not helping your case ... And I NEVER said my car was any better then anyone else's thats for sure .... Keep calling me names all u want its just not gonna get me there any sooner ..

You think it is my goal to get you here? You think you can dangle payment in front of me and I am going to dance? I have been without the money for 8 months now, I am not going to starve without it. You think I would sell my principles for $400.? My name is DIETRICH, not MILLEN,,,,

I don't give a sh!t if you pay. If you do, good for both of us. I can always use a few extra bucks, and you could have a clear conscience and maybe even salvage your reputation. If you don't, I will hound you forever, make your info public all I want, and generally be a pain in your ass.

Either way is fine by me....

I don't need to "help my case". My case is solid. I am right, you are wrong. PERIOD.

Already admitted to that Zig .. I am wrong and should have paid a long time ago ... But the way your going on is not right ... You are bringing yourself down to the level I'm at for not paying you .. I know whats right and wrong and I just dont think your handling this like a business man more like a child ...

Uh oh..

Can I suggest a mod locks this? Everyone has read it, and gets the point...

Since it is not locked yet......

Thomas, I am not going to take advice on how to run my business from a guy who couldn't afford a flywheel for 8 months.

I am not being childish, I am being FIRM. You are being the child....."I'll let you play with my ball IF....."

Drop the "IF". There is NO EXCUSE for hiding for 6 months, and when you did that, you forfeited certain rights....

Pay your bill...unconditionally....for no reason other than that you owe it, and with no strings attached, and THEN I will decide if and what I will apologize for...

Honestly Thomas, just pay the bill and shut the frack up.

.

I'm done with this .. I will not pay someone that goes on the way u have ...

small claims court (self representation = FREE) = garnishment of wages and humiliation like a man with no balls & no word. Oh wait, we've already figured that one out. Karma will own you...or your back tire the next time you do a buck sixty


Ziggy FTW!

Holy motherfucko that was a read and a half! Ziggy is a good guy, always went out of his way to help me out.

That's all I gotta say.

thomas, your a douche, you got the part, you owe the money for the part, any idiot can figure that out. Pay the god damn bill, stop talking about driving down to give ziggy the cash, send him an EMT or paypal, it's idiots like you that ruin it for everyone else. Ziggy has been more patient then most ppl. 8-9 months, try missing a car payment or cell bill for that long and see what happens. Mods BOOT this douche!

As I suspected, Thomas was just looking for an EXCUSE to not pay...I thought for a while he had a conscience, but guess I was mistaken....Low life deadbeat it is...

Definitely a douche lol

I would NOT have waited that long if I were owed that cash.

Be careful of who you cross!

He will find that out in time.....as did Helder, and quite a few other people in my life who are not on this board..

Of all the "epic battles" in my life, I think the only one I didn't win was with the Ford Motor company....and there I took consolation in the fact that in the end, I cost them a lot more than they cost me...(even though they could better afford it)

Wait....one more...Canada Revenue Agency....no winning with them. They don't have to follow rules, they can just make them up as they go along. Hell, they can even just change the calendar. At Canada Revenue, October comes eight months after December of the same year....And they have hundreds of PROFESSIONAL liars (lawyers) on staff....

Anyways, those are the only two where I have ended up not "winning".....and the Canada Revenue case is still not 100% over

Seems to be sincere, but it's over the Internet. Give him a week without any bashing, if he doesn't PIF then continue to bash all you want Ziggy.

I know you've given a lot Ziggy, but just give him a bit more!

If he takes advantage of the generous week to pay, then continue on your usual course.

That also sounds "sincere", and that is his MOST RECENT post.

That seems pretty clear to me that he is just looking for an EXCUSE to not pay his debt..

Sorry, don't think he DESERVES a week....

Can I ask you something.
WTF does happen when you miss a cell phone bill, or WTF does happen when you miss a car payment ?

Do they do a drive by your place ? Do they send someone knocking on your door ?

Some of you should just STFU if you have no clue what your talking about !

frack Ziggy, why don't you just go break down his door, or go sit in front of his parents house ?

Ziggy is a good guy, when I needed my vacuum hoses within the week he said he would get them for me as soon as possible as well as help me to understand what I was getting, he ended up getting them to me the next day! He had lots of patience with me and was very informative and I haven't seen anything to the contrary.

I think it's Repo time!!

Yes but too bad Ziggy didn't put a registration against the flywheel.

Repo my ass buddy, use your brain!

Actually, Reza, they do. MANY years ago I worked for finance company and did exactly that.....and we didn't wait until an account was 8 months delinquent...

Of course "repo" is ridiculous. As is "knock down his door" and drive there and sit on his steps. That would take a lot of time and accomplish nothing. I can accomplish a lot more in a lot less time by dragging his name through the mud here and elsewhere on the internet.

I don't need a "registration" on the flywheel. I have his admission to owing the debt. Only thing is, before I spend his money on court fees, I want to know that the judgement is collectable...so I need to find out where he works...

Oh really! , try it now Ziggy. I've been working in the finance industry since 1999. You can't just walk into someones house no holds barred and pick up your flywheel if you never secured it, better yet send one of the tuff guys in this thread to go get your money or flywheel. They will most likely be taken away by York Regional Police.

Call him, send him letters, which you have already done. Now sue him.

It was a Joke, I realize it's ridiculous. I also realize it is ridiculous that you have to go through all this sh!t to get paid. I do agree with what Reza said about if you can't pay that day use a credit card.

Reza

I am not saying walk INTO their house..but you can certainly knock on their door during business hours...

I never asked anyone to "repo" the flywheel....only looking for INFORMATION....

not sure why you are taking his side in this?

I can understan that you feel if this happened to you, you would be pissed off....so would I....but do you NOT understand that when you hide from your creditors for six months, you lose some rights? I believe that INCLUDES his right to be pissed off...

Also, please let me know what letters I have sent him. If he is showing you letters from me, they are forgeries....can add that to his list...

I am taking his side because I feel you crossed the line a little by going off on his mother on the phone when she had nothing to do with this.

I know he owes you the money, and I already told him too. I'm not taking his side on that.

Go knock on his door then Ziggy, since you know exactly what is going to happen.

Do it to me, or send one of the frack heads in this thread to my place, and I'll guarantee that you will be taken away in the back of a cruiser.

Also I know you didn't send him any letters. Just saying that you need to make a reasonable attempt to contact him (which you already have done), and then sue him.

As for this board, go ahead and boot him. He deserves it. If you want to boot me too because I speak my mind or because Thomas is my friend, do that too!

His mother had something to do with this when SHE called ME...

Tell you what, Reza...you say guys who don't know what they are talking about should STFU.....so a suggestion:

pick a creditor, dont pay him for 8 months, and hide from him for 6 of those. Let me know what he does....

Sorry, Reza, I have a LOT of respect for your driving skills and your DSM knowledge, but I have just lost a LOT of respect for you as a person.

Makes me think back to what my mother says to this day: "tell me who your friends are, and I will tell you WHAT you are"....
friends with Thomas, friends with Helder...a LOT of respect gone!

Yea becuase you called them 30 times and left like a 1000 messages. You think at one point they feel like they are getting harrassed ??

Guess what I have not payed a few bills in the past, and sure as hell didn't get a drive by my place, sure as hell didn't get fuckin harrassed !

I did you a favour to get the ball rolling, and you don't even give a frack! I should not have even wasted my gas or the time I was spending with my wife.

Not a problem Ziggy if you have lost your respect for me
Yep I've heard your sayings before, you've told me many times!

Man oh man, lock this up, this is just a mess and is accomplishing nothing towards clearing the original issue, which is Thomas' account with Ziggy.

Oh man, I need more popcorn lol

Or that gif

If I was like you Ziggy, I'd pull an equifax credit report on all my friends and cut them off when I know they have R9's on every account. Yes I am friends with Thomas and Helder.

sh!t, I'm surprised you don't cut off all your friends with a FICO score of less than 600.

Reza, I was not harrassing him. I called the numbers HE gave me. If he had RESPONDED to one of those calls, there would not have been a thousand.

Yes, you did me a favour, and I thanked you somewhere in one of the posts without naming you.

I don't go by FICO scores....I go by my gut and by actual experiences. Thank god only one in several hundred is like thomas or helder...

So, when you didn't pay your bills in past was it for 8 months? did you hide for 6 of them?

I didn't pay ALL my bills for 6-7 years, as long is took for it to legally drop off my credit report for lenders to start lending me again , and now I have a superb credit score

Trust me you don't want to know the total amount, lol.
Not once in those 7 years did someone come knocking at my door. I did not hide, I just sat there and played the system. They took the risk to lend to me, I payed the price of having bad credit, period.

9 months gets you an R9, not a drive by for $400.
Sorry but I can't base my friendship with people on your past due A/R's.

Why don't you guys try solving this in two parts?

Issue 1:
Balance of $400 owing to Ziggy

Solution:
Thomas - PAY HIM via EMT, Paypal. You don't need to drive there and pay him in cash. That will just start an argument in person.

Issue 2:
Ziggy arranging the drive-by and calling multiple times

Solution:
Cut Thomas off your future seller's list so you won't need to deal with this guy again.

Reza, I didn't ask for a "drive by" SHOOTING or anything....I asked if someone could spot a tow truck or other signs of him living there...

Anyways, I don't expect you to base your friendships on my A/R's....
Just good to know who I should consider a friend and who I should consider nothing more than a potential customer.

Mike, I am pretty forgiving. I have even sold parts to Helder again, though NEVER would I extend him credit again, and will never consider him a "friend"...

The first part of your solution I agree with, though...

The thing that makes me mad is that Thomas is acting like it's his choice whether he pays his debt or not, and that's ok. He's acting like Ziggy should be happy and gracious that he will finally pay Ziggy what he owes.

I don't even understand how this thread has gotten to 3 pages, it's ridiculous. You know what it's called when you take something without paying for it?

Stealing?

So what if its 3 pages long, move along if you don't want to read it. I think half the questions asked on this board is a waste of space. I should just go in those threads and call everyone a douche since they are soo stupid for not searching, but I don't. I just move along. lol.

Asking questions because they are seeking knowledge is slightly different than ripping off a well known and helpful member of our community. The fact that you can even try and compare the two makes me want to ask you if your head is up there for the warmth.

No the fact that you don't even know WTF is going on, and just call someone a douche, sounds like your looking right up your own. Searching for knowledge is different than being spoon fed, when the sh!t is right in front of you.

I never called him a douche. I know that he owes, and has owed money for a part for 8 months. I know that he has not paid it, and he is clearly stating that he owes said money but will not pay for it because he's upset and acting like a child.

I mean, if he had paid for this part, like he said and is supposed to do, this thread would not even be created, and none of this would have happened. I get that he is your friend, and it is a natural reaction to want to defend them. But, Thomas has no right to not pay the balance owing.

Yep and I'm not defending his bill. If you still don't know why I am defending him, go back and read again.

I've read the entire thread, and again, there would be no phone calls or anything if he had paid his bill within the last 8 months, or at least talked to Ziggy. It wasn't until he posted on a thread asking about buying a turbo from someone that Ziggy said something.

Brandon, you should have done the drive by for Ziggy and knocked on Thomas's door. Man I would of just shown up for that event

Why? It's not like Thomas would do anything, he's obviously not one for confrontation or has the balls to man up, but I am also not one looking to get taken away in a cruiser, I have more important things to do with my life than to risk my future by going to this kids house.

The situation at hand is completely straight forward. If you owe money, you pay money, simple as that. Especially when Ziggy has gone out of his way to help you out.

And like I mentioned, it's not that he hasn't paid yet. I get it, times can be rough, I know this first hand. It's this high and mighty attitude he's giving now where he's acting like "well if I decide I feel like paying, I will", that is pissing me off.

They say 1L of oil can contaminate 1 million Litres or water.

Reza Quit fanning the flames, and yes I have read the entire post VERY carefully.
Thomas I strongly suggest you take care of this ASAP.

4. Hijacking of threads will not be tolerated. If you don't have factual evidence, or related knowledge to contribute, don't post. If you'd like to offer up your own experiences, we'd ask that you start your own thread(s).

Tim, I'm not fanning the flames, just added the info that was apparently left out, where Zig went off on his mother etc.

Sorry its illegal in Ontario to discuss someone else's debt with a 3rd party, even if they live at the same residence. Blasting them off because they call you to tell them to stop harrassing them is a different story.

Jeez if I didn't want Thomas to pay up, I would not have went to his place. I really don't care no more if Thomas pays now or not, its his choice.

Bashing someone constantly the week he is about to pay up is just exactly what happened.

First, no response to HUNDREDS of phone calls for SIX MONTHS, then EIGHT in 10 minutes....betweem him and his mommy.....who is harassing who here???

I told thomas that if I have done something illegal, then he and his mommy and the police should show up at my door.....still waiting...

Reza also understand that whatever you have been told is third hand information coming from one side of the discussion.


I suggest all people not directly involved , meaning ALL BUT Ziggy and Thomas take a step back and leave it alone for a couple of days and see where it goes.

Thomas I suggest you contact Ziggy and find a way to work this out like adults, as it seems like this is either going to get worked out between you, or get worked out in the courts, and I am sure neither party wants to go that way but one person involved is sure to take it that way if the bill is not cleared up.

Ziggy it seems like the constant posts are doing nothing but infuriating Thomas at this point. At one point he did say that he would take care of the bill on Friday, although with conditions of an appology, what you do about about that in private discussions with Thomas is up to you, but I do think it was unfair for Thomas to be asking for public grandstanding.

I dont think deep down inside either parties are bad people, Thomas, take a deep breath look at both what Ziggy has done for you and others on the board, I dont see many other businesses that extend credit just requiring "good faith" as a stipulation of the transaction, something you have taken advantage of.

Zigg, let Thomas cool down, you have been more than patient in this transaction, I dont think asking for help was going too far in this case, but just remember just posting the facts is enough, without needing to take it to a personal attack level.

^ I believe you are absolutely correct. I think deep down he WANTS to pay this bill. He won't have money until tomorrow anyways, so NOTHING is going to happen before that.

Yes, he DID say he would take care of it on Friday, but ONLY with big public apologies,... and he also said he would pay it Oct. 3 of 2010, so pardon my skepticism.

I am quite willing to step back, wait and see what happens this weekend. IF he pays, as I have said, I will THEN decide IF and WHAT I will apologize for, not before....BUT.... Like with Helder....if I see someone posting a "good guy" about him or see him trying to buy or sell on this board, you KNOW I will comment.

Just for the record, he was not looking for a grand public apology from my understanding. He pm'd this to you.

Thanks for being the first person to REALLY understand both sides of the situation Tim.

Now I'm done

You are misinformed. He told me on the phone he wants everything I have posted REMOVED, PLUS an apology posted.

His mother also wanted the actual post with her adress removed. I don't believe that is even within my power, and certainly not within my abilities

Ok I guess I was wrong then Ziggy ( Atleast I can admit my mistakes)
I'm surprised his mom read this thread, she must be concerned!

I doubt that his mom read this thread....I assume thomas just told her to call me and demand to have the info removed...

Yes, he called SEVEN times in a row..each time saying he wanted to discuss clearing up his bill....but then he DIDN'T discuss clearing up his bill, he just kept throwing out demands.....so I kept hanging up...The eigth call was his mother. Of course, I was ALREADY pretty upset by then. I asked her where he lives, she would't tell me. She DEMANDED I remove her info from the net. I told her it was already on the net, on Canada 411. I also told here I COULDN'T remove it (meaning that I wouldn't know how or if I can edit or delete a post once it is a certain age). She just kept DEMANDING, just like thomas, so I hung up her also....that was it....