http://www.yrp.ca/caughtintheact.aspx

If anyone knows who these suspects are, please contact Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS or http://www.crimestoppersyr.ca.

Didn't even know that existed (that site/page) pretty nice to know. Although the 50year old getting away on foot, I'd have tackled him to the ground armed or not. That charity scam is shameful too. As for the credit card thing, that's definitely a credit card rink (more than 1 involved). Thanks for the link, think I might check that once in a while.

^^^
Good stuff Guillaume. You know what's surprising, I've posted this in many other forums yesterday and I've received a lot of "why should I help the police?" type responses. These people must not be very bright. The victims of these crimes are US, not the police. The police do not really "benefit" from our assistance...WE DO!

Well with today's laws being what they are, I can understand people not wanting to manually help the justice system personally. I'm just mindset on doing the right thing, but in this day and age, doing the right thing can get you locked-up just as easily because most criminals know their laws better than most common people (i.e. if you get into an altercation with a someone performing a criminal act for instance). When you read that someone stealing from your house that slips on the porch covered in ice can sue you...laws definitely need to change.

Helping them find one on the other hand, that's easy and effortless, so I don't see why they wouldn't. Plus with candid shots, at least you know what to look for not to get scammed yourself. The world's become too much of a "it doesn't involve me, so why should I help" type of place.

You remember the guy that broke into someones house then fall through the ceiling and landed on a knife that was on the counter and cut himself, then sued the family who owned the house and won?

The legal system in Canada is so shady, and it seems people who deserve to go to jail, or get pulled over / arrested never do. Assault crimes I'd report, but robbing a bank, if no one got hurt, who cares.

I am 100% with Brandon on this one, I really struggle with people who go out and try and hurt people and steel from them but if I see someone trying to rob a corporation or as brandon said a bank as long as no one gets hurt I don't really care.

That lady in the news that stopped on the three guys car because they stole some liqour, who cares she risked her like for 3 dollars (relative cost to the government).

The story that really makes me sad is the homeless gentleman a few years back decide to help a woman out that was being attacked. She got away but the dude got stabbed and was left lying on the curb, this was around 5 in the morning if I remember correctly. I think it was something like seven hours later someone decided to check if he was okay, and there was blood on the street. There were idiots taking pictures of him with there cell phone cameras.

They have done a lot of tests on this and it is a fact that people tend to figure if it is a crowded area that someone else will do something so they just leave it alone, as majority think like this nothing every happens.

Sorry for hijacking, it's just something I fell very strongly about.

Guys, we're not asking you to go out there and fight crime like Batman. We're just asking people to look at a few pictures. That's all. Anyway, the money in the bank belongs to the people, ie: you and me. They're not stealing from the bank, they're stealing from the people. The credit cards that are being scammed belong to people like you and me, not the police. Crime does increase prices for all - not the only factor, but it is a factor.

When people steal cars, does that not affect insurance rates (underwriting)?

When people scam cards, does that not encourage banks to increase rates and what not, on top of their usual gouging?

Millions are being scammed from people everyday in this world. All I can say is that being apathetic about people stealing your crap and being anti-police for whatever reason does not help anyone including yourself.

Credit card fraud, and money stolen from the bank are insured / covered by the companies. The bank gets robbed, they aren't like "oh sorry sir, someone actually robbed your part of the bank, and you now only have $400 left in your savings account".

Same with credit card fraud, the money gets stolen, but the company does expect you to pay that back, it's covered.

I'm not necessarily anti police, but I am anti a lot of our justice system. My mom requires financial help from me, that's why I moved in with her, but my sister is a free loader, she carved my Eclipse with a broken beer bottle because she was having a fit, threatened my life, and my mom's. Spit in my mom's face, doesn't work or go to school, and she's 22. Her carving my car up with a beer bottle was the final strand, I charge her for it, have her arrested. Then she freaks out on me calls the cops, I say to the cops "What can I do to keep her out of this house?" they say "nothing, if you even bother trying to file a restraining order on her, the station will tell you to move out". Mean while, I'm paying half the bills, she assaults me, vandalizes my vehicle, throws beer bottles at me while I'm sleeping, and yet I'm the one who gets told to move out. Cops need to spend less time sitting in their cruisers in speed traps, and actually patrol the city to stop real sh!t from happening.

If someone gets physically harmed, then I'd be all over that. No innocent civilian should ever get assaulted. But a man low on money so he robs a bank, who cares. He needed a pay day and no one got hurt.

You guys don't even want to offer a reward for helping track down one of these suspects ?

Forget that, why bother and waste my time even if I did recognize one of them. Seems like I would just be getting involved in something that has no benefit to me.

Offer a reward or some incentive and you might get somewhere
Brandon has a point, these guys never harmed me so who cares! Thats what insurance is for in Canada. Give the public some of their tax money back as an incentive and you might get a different response on forums.

My issue is basically how I was treated day in and day out with the YRPS. Out of my 20+ years living there, there was only ONE officer who i was fortunate enough to meet who was a really great guy. The rest of the officers were bullies and brutes, plain and simple.

I've helped P.C Willis with a few things back in the day, and I would gladly help again and again if he personally requested it, just as a thank you for how he was towards me.

I agree with Reza though, no incentive? No nothing? What's the point? It's not like you're even going to get rewarded for doing a good deed. Half the time it's hard to figure out what actually is a good deed. Then you have to figure out, is it a good deed for me and bad for them? Or is it bad for me and good for them?

The laws really need to change in terms of peoples rights, THEN, maybe people will be more willing to help.

And don't start with the "ohhh, you hate cops" because I used to work in a partnership with 55 division at the beaches in Toronto.

How do you mean "covered"? Does magic money just appear and replace the missing money? So, if someone hits your car and totals it, we should all say "so what, it's only a car,....and besides, it's "covered"".

Why do you think insurance rates are as high as they are? Any why do you think the banks gouge us as much as they do? Because they have to "cover" crap like this....

I like the old ways....someone steals, cutoff his hand! If he steals again, cut off his other hand...

I can't BELIEVE someone actually thinks it's OK to rob a bank because you were short of cash

Sometimes, the reward for a good deed, is simply knowing that you were able to help someone.

Why does there have to be a monetary/tangible reward to want to help others?

I agree with Steve.

An eye for an eye and the world goes blind.

This is the problem with the society of today. People still forget that we are still... PEOPLE! If everyone did something with the mindset of reward, then one or two times where you aren't rewarded will ultimately stop you from doing anything!

You know why people get away with sh!t more today than 20 years ago? It's easier not to care. It doesn't affect me so why bother?

When it does affect you, and you are looking for people to care, you'll understand why.

How we feel about when something we did affected someone in a positive way is more rewarding than anything that could be contrasted monetarily.

It's covered because it's insured. The money may go missing, but it isn't going to go missing from my account. Stealing money from a bank is whatever, no one gets hurt alright. Stealing money from a person is different. John Dillinger, Robin Hood, etc.

And the reason insurance is so high, car insurance specifically (and Grant Redfern can chime in), is because in Ontario, people milk insurance claims for everything they can. Ontario has the highest claims by at least 10 000 average. And I dunno bout you Ziggy, but with PC Financial, I don't pay a dime. And banks have always gouged people, same with insurance companies. They gouge you before any word of this stuff even happening in case something does.

Like I said, I have a big problem with people hurting other innocent people, but I have no problem with people ripping off big corporations and governments.

The problem with it today is not necessarily the "what's in it for me", it's the "what's going to happen to me".

I still do my good deeds for the day. Me not going out of my way to call crime stoppers, sure as hell does not make it a bad deed. I don't have time for that, if they want to offer incentive, then maybe I'll find time

I should just quit my day job and start fixing everyones DSM's for FREE, and offer FREE rebuilds on everyones trannies. Lol NOT. Some people don't value time, I do. I've dealt with enough (power trippin) cops who don't give a frack about you, writing you stupid unecessary tickets and not caring about the situation your in, so yea frack them too
Sorry no bad deed or crime commited here, it is JMHO!

Banks and insurance companies did NOT always rip people off. This is a result of the attitudes in some of the posts above.

I can remember when banks charged a LITTLE more for a loan than they paid for savings. There were no fees, and they actually COMPETED for your business and GAVE you stuff.

Insurance was not even mandatory.

I can still remember when people left their houses unlocked. their cars unlocked, their car keys in the ignition, and their wallets on the car seat....and no-one took them! Why? Simple...because it WASN'T THEIRS.

If you honestly believe that a corporation being ripped off is not costing YOU in some way, you are truly a moron...
And if you have no problem with people ripping off the government, then DON'T ever complain that taxes are too high!!

You think the only thing some of these people have done is robbed a few stores? These pieces of sh!t have done more trust me. These aren't people that are short on cash and need a few bucks to get by....these are habitual criminals. The great thing about crime stoppers is you have the chance to get them off the street before they kill a family member, a small child at a park in a drive shooting. If you want to sit on your hands and do nothing that's fine but if more people stepped up and identified these pieces of sh!t then the streets would be a bit safer. And if you think there are no victims in a store robbery or a bank robbery ...talk to the clerks and tellers who have nightmares for years to follow. All the cops want is a lead in the case ... not a star witness in the trial.

Steve, Corrections Officer

A lot of the fees that companies have to charge us is because of the government. Not to mention, the cost of living has always naturally gone up, it doesn't go down. Did we steal 1 billion dollars in gas, so that's why our gas prices go up every year? No.

The reasons banks need to charge you more to borrow money from them, is because the cost of living has gone up, which means the risk to them as gone up. 30 years ago, a 1800 sq ft house cost 90 000, now it's 250,000. Are we stealing houses? no.

And like Reza said, they don't give a frack about us, so frack them too. The police are supposed to keep US safe, they get paid thousands of dollars a year to do that, let them do their job instead of sitting in parking lots with radar guns.

I agree with Steve/Ziggy and Ryan. Not to mention, if someone is robbing a bank, chances are he's armed (like in that example on the page), given the right circumstances, he might injure/kill someone. I trained with a large number of cops/bank security in my martial arts days, and even if they would get grief for doing the right thing because of layers/suing, they'd do it again in a heart beat. I completely agree with them in that regard. I'm not saying everyone should follow my example, I was just raised that way and that's how I think.

I don't "ok" anything that involves stealing/scamming/fraud no matter the circumstance, you never HAVE to do it, there is ways around it, that's just the easy way out, because in the end of the day, everyone else suffers for it.

Additionally, someone with a criminal mind that sees he can get away with things like that will continue and in most cases become more apt to it and gets that "invincible" way of thinking, and that becomes dangerous.

sad thing is we have way more crime and criminals than we have cops and detectives......we will always need help from the community.

So every guy that robs a bank is suddenly a gang banger killing kids? I guess every pot smoker is actually a coke head, and dealing meth. Come on man. And I guess every person who has downloaded a movie or ran a non-purchased version of windows, is actually really robbing stores at gun point.

That's a big problem with people in law enforcement.

Have you ever watched a downloaded movie? Downloaded an mp3? Used an illegal copy of Windows?

Ya there is a large chance that the guy robbing the bank is also a gang banger or habitual criminal yes....I have a bit of experience with criminals and crime.

But then, I guess every cop is an asshole if one is an asshole to me, correct? Or that every cop that is an asshole, would use excessive force on me.

I am not in law enforcement for the record, I deal with max security convicts everyday.

And chicken shits who sit on their hands and do nothing are the biggest whiners when a crime is committed against them....when all it may have taken is one phone call from somebody who recognized someone in a photo.

No why would I think that?

Do you enforce the law? I just think that people are very hypocritical when it comes to things with the law. It's ok for cops to stereotype civilians, but if you stereotype cops as a civilian, then people are like "well when you need them then what". But cops stereotype civilians all the time, and then expect them to help the cops out. What the hell is that?

I for one, am completely for reporting something if an innocent was hurt. I think that if someone attacks another innocent person, they deserve to spend a ton of time in jail.

If you are robbing someone using a weapon, there is no doubt in my mind what kind of person you are. Threatening someone with an intent to injure or kill will never be ok in my books. Scamming older people (in most cases for fake charities) is shameful, you seriously back up people that use someones problems/disease/health a good thing? When that happens, people become wary and give less to help the REAL cause and people suffer. You can think the way you want Brandon, I'm not trying to change your mindset, just stating mine so I really don't see your beef with my opinion, I'm entitled to it . Mistreating others will never be something I tolerate.

If for every movie I downloaded they killed a kid, I wouldn't download them.

But here's the thing, people will be like no way, that guy robbed a bank. But then sit there and listen to their thousands of mp3s, and if they weren't paid for, you digitally walked into a cd store and stole those cds. How is one ok, but the other isn't?

I specifically said I was not ok with anyone stealing from an individual, but from a big company, I think it's fine. But if you download movies, mp3s, books, or whatever, then you are technically stealing in a non-physical way. That's why me saying someone stealing a chocolate bar from a Macs is so wrong and they deserve to be held accountable for the maximum penalty, but then go home and watch a movie I just downloaded for free, would make me a hypocrite. Neither one of us is hurting anyone.

No I do not enforce any "laws" I carry out the court's sentence and house dirt bags until the end of their sentence. All I am saying is that there is a great chance that the guy robbing the store or bank today is also possibly wanted in connection with something else or is on track to commit a more violent crime in the future....not a 100% chance but a very good chance. And if all it takes is an anonymous tip to catch the guy....why is that so hard for some people to do?

I get your point, but the bank robbery, like I said before, is usually done with a weapon of some sort. You can't just walk in a bank and demand all their money

Damn good points Brandon, lol. +10 from me !
Anyone want to report a crime ?

I know a shop close by that sells burnt DVD's, actually the whole Pacific Mall sells burnt movies. A crime is a crime right. So who wants to do a good deed for the day, and call up crimestoppers for me ?

Lets see which good samaritan pm's me for the info and gets on the ball asap, or should we first go get the dude stealing beer kegs! Man what a threat, I'm scared for my life now.

People have robbed banks with cell phones, saying if you don't hand over the money we will kill this persons family. People can also rob a bank with their hand in their jacket in the shape of a hand gun. In any situation to do with theft, the employees are trained to just hand over the money with the least amount of resistance to avoid people getting hurt because the money is insured and will be reimbursed to the bank or whatever.

I do not believe that anyone getting injured is ok, I hate to see any innocent person get hurt, I am completely against that. I also don't believe in people scamming individuals either. But hey, if Microsoft loses a billion dollars due to pirated Windows downloads, all well. Are any of you losing sleep over that?

Or how many people have bought something off Ebay, or somewhere, and requested that the person put a lesser amount on the package amount to save them duty fees? That's technically fraud.

Or hey, anyone ever cross the border, then when coming back "forget" to declare everything they purchased while in the States?

All this police talk is reminding me about the time York Regional Police beat my brother up at the police station with the Yellow pages, so that his bruises would not be visible from the outside. Yup, I guess they need our help now.

To each his own like I said, we all have a different way of seeing things. But just think of stockbrokers (some of which invest in make believe companies or use make believe money through trades) and ...I forget his name (Murdoch? I forget) he made a bunch of people invest in his "make believe stuff" for million and millions of dollars (he's now in prison) but his family kept everything. No one got hurt, yet it shakes the economy to hell. Like I said, anything can be turned around to suit any point of view. Everyone will always have their own opinion on this kind of a subject. I stand by how my parents raised me, because that's all I got .

Geeeez, maybe thats why they rape us with cross border fees. Its all the business that try to slip past the government in order to profit themselves. I guess its ok for businesses to fraud the government since they don't have a gun in hand ?
So tell me wanna be police officers, what crime is ok to do then ?

I'm just asking if you have ever downloaded a movie, or mp3, or used a non-purchased copy of an operating system, or program?

Wow I really thought that I would have gotten a pm by now from one of the law guys in this thread asking me details of the burnt DVD's businesses in my area so they can go bust them. Heck you can go buy one yourself at this moment if you don't believe me.

These are the same guys saying we should report a crime if we know of any. Wow, talk about ignorance!

All talk, no action. At least I can say straight up that I don't have the time for YRP and their crap. Jokes....

The amount of stories I have heard from my cop friends, or stories that I have heard where cops always use excessive force. A little knee to the body, elbow to the jaw on someone who is drunk. It's crazy, what they did to your brother is bullshit as well, and it happens more than people will say because they are scared of the government mob.

It's funny when someone says that we will twist the view of a crime, but I may be saying well the guy robbing the bank but not hurting anyone is theft, just like downloading mp3s. But then those people will most likely sympathize with the cops when they use excessive force saying that the "person deserved it and probably did something wrong".

When I had my MR2, and I got harassed by a cop, was followed for 30 minutes straight before getting pulled over etc, everyone said "no don't file a complaint yada yada". But why not? Filing a report against the cop can have the same repercussions as ratting someone out on a theft crime. But it shouldn't be that way, unfortunately it is, so until then, do your job.

Exactly Reza. There are so many laws that people break on a daily basis that they don't realize, but it's o.k because it's benefiting them. I have a strong line that I wont cross, no hurting of innocent people, and no stealing, scamming, ripping off etc, of your fellow person.

http://www.yrp.ca/caughtintheact.aspx

For some odd reason, I keep chuckling when I click the link and see the pic of the charity scam dude. Even if I knew he was a scammer, I think I'd toss him $5 just for the effort

He looks like a good sales guy

Look at all the other criminals, ratty clothes, not dressed properly, no ski masks, slacker criminals!! At least the scammer guy looks legit, bought a name tag on a lanyard and everything.

The only way to rob a bank is to dress like this

I am not even going to comment on this thread anymore, it disgusts me. I am no fan of the police, but right is right and wrong is wrong. The mindset of a couple of the morons on here is just AMAZING...I would never have believed some people could be THAT stupid...and I predict some of you have jail time in your futures...

Exactly! You nailed it right there

Yes because people not being hypocritical means that Reza and I are going to hold up a bank, rob some old ladies, and shoot up some elementary schools. I always find it funny that when people bring up valid arguments, people just call them stupid to get out of it.

No, you will probably just be low on cash and rob a bank...

I have yet to see a valid argument with your name on it. crime is crime. period,

I guess since I run a busines, it is OK to steal from me???
I guess I need to re-think whether people are still welcome in my "store"...

I call them like I see them....

Ziggy's the man!

Same here, I'm not going to comment anymore. I too am quite shocked at some of the responses. I posted this on multiple forums and it's amazing to see the difference in maturity, intelligence, and logic/rationale, differ from forum to forum. But as the saying goes, there's always going to be those flipping burgers and those buying them. I think we need that balance in society otherwise it will be communism.

I'm glad I posted this in the first place. Debate is good. It leads to an open exchange of ideas which will encourage learning, knowledge, and reason, despite how much it appears that some reject what the majority claims is right.

I love how this thread went from identifying criminals in photos to a lecture on the rights and wrongs of pirating music and DVDs versus robbing banks to Rezas brother allegedly getting beat up by YRP. And now I am supposed to call the police on some DVD burning ring in Rezas neighborhood or I am all talk and no action law guy....haha this is the reason I should never post in these threads...you can never have a battle of wits when the other guy is unarmed.

Love it....can I borrow that???
Talk about hitting the nail on the head!

Yep it's yours Ziggy

I've been around here for over 8 years and this is the most excitement I've had here!

Brandon Clement and Reza Mirza have a right to say what they have to say, despite the fact that almost everyone else disagrees with them.

Debate is good no matter how stupid someone sounds.

Lol all bark as I said, hypocrits! Sorry if you don't like that I choose free speech Steve. "Allegedly", lol ok ?

Don't know why you mention jail time Ziggy ? Care to elaborate ?

I'm still waiting for that pm too. I guess I proved my point.
We have a cop in this thread and a corrections facility guy who don't want to call authorites on a DVD burning guy in my neighborhood, yet are getting all worked up because Brandon and I actually don't care ! These are the guys crying call the authorities, and now they don't want to call themselves. Soo funny.

Wow ! Carry on....

Mods don't lock this thread, I really want to hear about us doing jail time now....

Haha I really don't know what you want me to do locally Reza? I am working on the source right now out of Bangkok Thailand and i don't have time to bust the small guys ....seriously dude I don't get the co-realtion to this DVD ring and picking up the phone and identifying a criminal on Crime Stoppers

Not that it's any of your business but yes I have, it's called itunes and from my DJ days when I would buy large lots of cds from other DJs. When I need a fill of new stuff, I go on my favorite internet radio for Dance/Trance and it's free. I'm still running xp from when I bought my laptop new (in my second year of Uni, because I couldn't afford it before) and programs I buy as well not that I need much of them. Stuff I buy off the internet always has the right price when declared simply because I insure almost everything when it's sent (got too many broken/damaged ones not to). Probably why I'm broke now and owe the government tuition money, have to buy my car parts second hand and haven't driven my car in a while because I can't afford the insurance. Would I go and rob someone/industry/government to get myself out of my life, no, I'll deal and make it work (hopefully) sooner or later.

Why do I have this mentality you ask, simple, one of my best friends from way back when I was 7-10years old in France got caught in the wrong crowd a couple years back and ended up getting busted for that (DVDs/cds). I found out when I asked him to go grab a drink when I surprise-visited him out of the blue when I was there with my family and he couldn't because he was under house arrest (believe me that was one hell of a reunion :S). His life is messed up beyond repair now and his family is still trying to help him out with all the fines he's been given (this has been 3years now I think). You try telling the ones who convicted him it's not a crime. It's only ok because people in general decided "well...who cares, I'm not hurting anyone" exactly like what you say about that page. If you get caught, it's a crime like anything else.

So look at the outcome of criminal acts like robbery and scamming, it'll become more and more "accepted" the more people just think that way. Look at people scamming companies on false pretenses or people scamming insurance through health/disability claims. Why are more people doing it, simple, it's becoming an acceptable practice in Ontario...sue sue sue, some even involves scamming groups and layers pressing for higher commissions. I'm not saying spy through binoculars everyday to find them out and if you don't personally want to call, don't, but if you're given a list, and you find someone that held someone else at gunpoint, at the very least the cops are giving you a warning on that person (i.e. watch out, could be you getting screwed, watch out). You do what you want with the info they give you that's why it's public, no obligation.

So then Mr. Corrections Officer, what do you consider crime that we should be reporting, since you don't want to do it yourself ?

If the little crime isn't big enough for you, why do you want me to pick up the phone and call crime stoppers ?

I've asked some simple questions to people, and no one has answered.

Ziggy, have you ever came into the country from a trip and not declared every single thing you purchased while in the states? Have you ever downloaded an mp3, watched a downloaded movie, or installed pirated software?

These are all things that are technically crimes, but almost everyone does on a daily basis.

The co-relation is that both things are illegal, yet you want people to call about someone who robbed a bank, didn't hurt anyone, just came in, asked for money and left. But yet, no one will go call crime stoppers on a dvd ring, which is illegally downloading and distributing movies, which are in turn, stealing from production companies, rental stores, etc etc.

And also, to Steve, the guy saying that just because a guy demanded money in a bank, means that he is probably out there shooting up children as well, the people downloading mp3s are probably out there robbing cd stores too.

What part of what I am writing are you having a hard time understanding? I never said I DL movies or music illegally anywhere in what I have wrote....additionally I have clearly said what is the harm in picking up the phone and giving an anonymous tip to identity of a known criminal if it could lead to the arrest of someone that has a high probability of committing other violent crimes.

Neither Reza or I called anyone idiots, or that they didn't have intelligence, so it's funny that when hypocritical people don't want to answer questions that will out them as a hypocrite, they always jump to sayings like that. To make it seem like they are high and mighty and have some other more important business to do, like saving the world.

If Guillaume is being honest, that he has never downloaded a song for free that should have cost money, then he is one of the few people who have done things legit, and I can respect what he says when he says that a crime is a crime.

But the rest of the people are being hypocrites. Which is fine, just who am I to say which type of theft is more socially acceptable? If my theft isn't hurting anyone, and neither is someone elses, then who am I?

So what your saying is you refuse to call in a tip on a serious crime untill all less serious non violent crimes are treated equal? Sounds like a scape goat excuse to me.

Brandon you keep saying that a bank robbery has no victim ....what about the teller?

Steve, did you actually read any of my posts, or you just getting all worked up like Ziggy ?

Did I say you download stupid movies ? Go back and read my posts again.

Are you going to force me to pick up the phone if I knew something, almost sounds like your about to put a gun to my head and make me do it, lol.

I said I don't care about reporting crime, I don't have time to, you understand now or do you need me to repeat it to you again ?

Same reason you don't give a crap because your too big to worry about little crime. What a hypocrit.

I am not saying that you said you did, what I'm asking is if you have?

I really do believe that any crime involving harm or ripping off individuals, should be reported, because that is not something that is ok.

You two seem to want me confess to a crime I don't commit by constantly bringing up this DVD and music ... whos's holding the gun?

I'm sure it was scary, but in the end, she wasn't injured, and wasn't shot. Life is harsh I suppose, toughen up.

Steve I never have met you, but if you know me personally you would know I would not turn my eye to a serious crime happening in front of my eyes.

I don't give a frack about petty crime, just like you don't either, and YOU are the corrections guy, not me. Hope you get the point. I made a simple statement that who cares, I don't have time for YRP BS. Your the one who flew into this thread as MR CORRECTIONS OFFICER, getting all worked up over nothing.

Brandon is right, no need to call us names just because you disagree and have no other valid arguemnt to make.

I'm asking for a yes or a no, and by you dodging the answer I'll take that as a yes, which is cool because I'm sure 90% of the people will high speed internet do it.

Like Reza said, a violent crime, I'm all over that. There is no way I would let a violent crime go like ah whatever it's life. That is completely unacceptable.

My point all along has been that by ignoring the fact that you might recognize someone in a photo for one crime might be saving someones life down the road by having that person arrested.

I DON'T GIVE A frack ABOUT COPYRIGHT INFRINGMENT CRIME, THERE IS NO ONE SHOOTING UP PLAYGROUNDS AFTER BURNING A COPY OF BRIDESMAIDS

but you said specifically that just because someone told someone to give them money from the bank, and that person is probably out there shooting up kids.

But hey, if someone is breaking the law doing copyright infringement, then by your standpoint, that person could be out there doing armed robbery as well. I just don't get it.

Lets just agree to disagree.

and just like you don't care about the DVD burning dude which I know about and get DVD's from, and am willing to provide info on, why would I care about the charity scam dude ?

Even if I knew the guy, I don't give a crap. get my point ? They are both stealing and doing non violent crime, JUST LIKE YOU JUST SAID !

I DON'T GIVE A frack ABOUT IT EITHER, and I'm not telling you what to GIVE A frack ABOUT !

I never called anyone names I said you are unarmed in a battle of wits....just like you tried flaming me for being a law man and doing nothing about DVD pirating. My original post was to shed light on why the Crime Stoppers site works....it's not to help the police per se it's to help society be a safer place for all of us.

I called Crimestoppers ONCE, what a big help that was.
I went into a Coffee Time on Steeles ave w between Yonge St and Bathurst St to grab a bagel and coffee and the only people in there were doing coke, popping pills and injecting whatever with needles.

I stepped outside and called York Region Police, they told me to mind my business (seriously). So I called Crimestoppers and they told me they won't do anything unless it's the main dealer who's there. I told them for all I know, the main dealer could be here, but I wouldn't know because I'm not going to ask them "hey! Which one of you is the main dealer?". I've done the good deed, but apparently it's the wrong type of deed? How can you bring yourself to really help, when....

1) You've been beat up by the police for absolutely nothing.
2) You're family has been harassed by the police for nothing.
3) You've been accused of being a rapist and detained for hours on end, when the Police KNEW where you were coming from and where you reside is different from the location of the ACTUAL accused and where the crime happened.
4) You try to do the Crimestoppers thing and they blow you off.
5) You call the police to report a crime and they tell you to mind your business.
6) You've been followed and "investigated" as a drug dealer when you've never even sold or done a drug in your life.
7) You've been threatened to have your personal property taken away by the police because they stopped you earlier when you were riding your bicycle but had no ID so they show up at your house at 3am with at least 6 cars saying there was an accident earlier and there was no car and no bicycle so they had to come to the house to check if you're okay, this is AFTER they harassed you about where you got the bicycle from because it looks expensive, but they won't tell your parent what the problem is so you get woken up. Then the cop tells you that "It's a good thing it wasn't you, because I'd have to confiscate your bicycle if you were in the accident".

NOW, where is my trust in the "system" and motivation to help The York Region Police Service?

As for when something happens to me? I do my own investigating and do what I have to do for justice. Look for my thread about when the dude smashed the mirror on my Talon... EPIC

Brandon you are saying that 100% of all bank robbers are voilent child killing gang bangers....I never said all I said a high percentage chance it could be. Remember I have worked in a max prison for over 10 years I know how these pukes escalate their crimes and I know that some get released from prison and get picked for robbery right away

I hear you and feel where you are coming from Kobie ! Unfortunately we have a few BIASED guys in this thread who are going to get mad at you now for speaking the truth, your mind, or expressing your right of free speech, lol.

I guess your a moron and idiot now too! How dare you say that the police beat you up ? How dare I mention the police tactics when my brother got beat up ? "Allegations", lol.

No no Reza, not a moron and an idiot, he's "unarmed in a battle of wits"....

aka idiot

So it's ok for you to call me a "wanna be cop"?

Who's hypocritical now?

Well you sure sounded like it, and still sound like one.

Your statement above does not make sense to me, I don't know what you are asking. Do you know the meaning of hypocrit :

Here:
–noun
1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

—Synonyms
deceiver, dissembler, pretender, pharisee.

I think "pretender" best describes you You sound like one of those guys who wants us to do something about it, yet aren't willing to yourself.

I called you a hypocrit because your getting mad at us because we wouldn't care to report a petty crime, and here you are stating that your too big to report a guy burning DVD's. If your a corrections officer, shouldn't you be getting some info from me ? Your flaming us for free speech at the same time. If I was like you I would get upset as well, but I'm not.

Now tell me how I was hypocritical ? I still don't understand your question.

It seems not OK for me to say that you and Brandon are "unarmed in a battle of wits" right?

But you started it by calling me a "wanna be cop" to me and my profession that is a huge insult like what I do at work is insignificant. All my friends that have had shanks pulled on them or have been stabbed or have had to pull the trigger and take someones life as a prison guard is meaningless compared to a cop. I chose this profession and I do it daily without fear with all that goes on around me...and you in one string of words undermined all of that.

Ergo the hypocrisy

I'm ok with you calling me anything you want, the "unarmed in a battle of wits" still hasn't gotten me upset. You could tell me to frack off too if you want, I still won't get upset, that's your job to do

I'm sorry for calling you a wanna be cop, didn't know that was an insult either! Big wow you've been pulled a gun and shank on, I've been too. I grew up in Pakistan where we carried AK47's all the time, where gang banging was common. I feel no sympathy for your prison sh!t, I've probably been in worse situations than having a rusty shank pulled out on me, lol.

Good for you Steve, I still don't care about your job !
You and Ziggy are the ones who blew up in this thread, not me.
Can't handle someone elses opinion.

I never called you a wanna be cop, I said that you worked as part of law enforcement, as you enforce the law within the jail. I always thought correctional officers were part of the law enforcement.

Thank you Reza for understanding where I'm coming from.

Does anyone else find it really weird that Steves avatar is Hitler and he works in a correctional facility?

I really didn't think that being thought as a law enforcement officer was a bad thing. Whoops. Correctional Officers have a harder job than any cop to be honest with you, and I've got more respect for you guys than I do for cops looking to hassle some young adults in sports cars.

And as for Reza, you are completely right, I've got a few friends who grew up in Afghanistan and Pakistan. My friends from Afghanistan were like, none of these people from around here will ever know what it's like to have to pack up your family and head for the hills because of a bomb attacks are incoming. That's one of the reasons I have this "slack" attitude for people who get "threatened" with violence in something like a bank robbery, but nothing happens, and no one gets hurt. It's not about hurting them, or hurting a civilian, it's about taking money from a big company. People need to toughen up a bit. Nut up or shut up.

It's like if someone threatens to punch me in the face, but doesn't do anything. Do I call the cops and say that I was threatened with violence? Or do I nut up and move on. Lets face it, like Kobie's situation, the cops don't give a sh!t about small stuff.

Hitler working in a corrections facility ? lol
Kobie, I understand. It sucks that whenever we speak up about police brutality, we have these other guys who like to jump in and quickly discredit it. They make it sound like no matter what, it did not happen. Like they are the MOTHER of ALL POLICE, lol. I'm glad you posted your points. Any sane person with half a brain would understand our view, but it seems like they just want to force theirs upon us.

I think the thought that the police can be just as shady, if not more shady than the criminals they are supposed to protect civilians from scares people.. and I guess it should.

Off topic:

Does this apply to me or Brandon or both of us ? I was about to build 2 trannies soon, one for Lucian and one for Nathan Taback, and was planning on ordering parts from Jacks via you.

I'd rather know and make alternative arrangements if this thread has changed your mind to sell tranny parts that I will be assembling. If you don't want me in your store because of my opinion, please say so Ziggy

Also, the jail comment has still got me pondering

I want nothing to do with this thread. Quite honestly don't have the time or patience to read it all but I have to comment about the original website. The guy stealing empty beer kegs and bringing them back to the beer store for their deposit is pure hilarious. Seriously, who does that?!

Right ? lol

Unfortunately, we have a few guys here acting like this is AMERICA'S MOST WANTED !

ahahahahahahahaha lmfao

He's actually saving that person time and effort haha

This is a great debate. Just like people, cops are not all angels. There's good and bad ones. We shouldn't paint a bad picture for all of them. At the end of the day, they are employed to help us. Some guys on here are complaining about fat lazy cops who would rather hassle people with speeding tickets. Like you said, a crime is a crime. If they are going to bust you for that, they should bust you for scamming seniors, banks, and stealing credit cards. Two wrongs doesn't make a right, and I don't condone downloading music and what not. Besides, if you download, you may get viruses! I just stream on Youtube...which is quasi-legal already. If you know someone who does download confirmed illegal content and you want to report it...by all means report it if you want as no one is stopping you. In fact, you can call in many more violations and infractions. There's many committed daily. 2 Wrongs don't make it a right, and calling on one and not the other doesn't negate the fact that the crime that's being called on is still a crime.

Most police officers in todays age treat people with as much respect as they are treated. It goes both ways. If you are totally innocent and are not a legitimate suspect, they are more than likely not going to treat you like an arse. Not always, but most likely. I don't see them hassling my grandma for no reason! People talk back with cops during traffic stops or upon being interviewed. It goes both ways.

The point is, this thread is intended to help people who have been scammed, not the officers. If you want to report millionaires who have been scammed (ie: movie makers, actors, singers), by all means do it. If you want to report cops using excessive force, do it. No one is stopping you.

Take responsibilities for your own actions. Treat people with respect and more than likely you will be reciprocated.

Here's another example, if you get fired from Mr.Lube for not showing up to work and get fired for it, it's not the employer's fault. You can give him/her a good reason (ie: family issues) but he still fires you for job abandonment or not following policy. You contact the government for EI but they deny you benefits because you were fired with cause. You then write letters and go online bashing Mr.Lube, the government, etc. This all stemmed from the job abandonment (or policy violation), and the employer nor the government should not face the wrath behind your personal decisions that didn't fall in line with the policy. The law is the law. You do the crime, you do the time. This should apply for EVERYTHING. If you're a good person and follow the law, you shall be treated accordingly. If you have a problem with the law, contact your MP and MPP's and they make the law. If you don't care, don't vote, then don't complain about the law and how it's being administered.

PEACE. We all bleed red.

Good post, good points! As the original poster to this thread, I'm glad you can take the debate, or others opinions

I don't vote, never cared too, and don't care how the laws are made. I just try my best to follow them for my own well being

Crime is crime whether its white collar or blue collar.

I'm gonna go turn myself in for downloading mp3s, I don't think I can live with this guilt any longer I feel that if I don't do this, I will eventually be doing armed robbery, while being a paramedic.

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Who's all coming to the invasion?

Reza and I will most likely be in jail

Would not surprise me. If horrible attitude or stupidity were a crime, you would be there already!

And if hypocrisy was one, same with the inability to carry on an intelligent discussion, you'd be there in shackles riding the bus with me

Alrighty, now we're on with the personal attacks.

LOCKED!