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Ontario Drive Clean 2013
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April 13, 2012 09:33 pm UTC
April 13, 2012 09:33 pm UTC
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Fort Erie, Ont
Jay Warwick (Pham)
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I was talking to a friend who works as a service manager at a local shop here, we were talking about emissions testing because I'll need to get one on the EVO this year.
Apparently they are introducing a new system where the method of testing is done differently, and not for the vehicle owner's benefit!
Starting in Jan. 2013, all DriveClean accredited shops will have to standardize to the new testing equipment and training.
He told me that the technician will have to plug a reader into the OBD2 port, take a picture of the license plate, have a camera set up to focus on the dash to make sure no check engine lights are visible, and be on the phone with a live agent! Talk about overkill.
Now, if you have a check engine light on, it's an automatic fail. If you clear the code prior to the test, they'll be able to figure it out based on readings from the ECU.
This is just what he told me, I'm not sure how much of it is true or not. The Ontario DriveClean website says there is a new program being initiated by 2013, but doesn't go into much detail.
It seems Ontario is making it more difficult to keep your older vehicles on the road.
Needless to say, I'll be getting my emissions test done immediately on both cars, just to avoid all the hassle that will ensue after this is initiated.
Has anyone else heard this yet??
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Re: Ontario Drive Clean 2013
[Re: Jay Warwick (Pham)]
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April 13, 2012 09:41 pm UTC
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Los Angeles, California
Alex Akachinskiy
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I was talking to a friend who works as a service manager at a local shop here, we were talking about emissions testing because I'll need to get one on the EVO this year.
Apparently they are introducing a new system where the method of testing is done differently, and not for the vehicle owner's benefit!
Starting in Jan. 2013, all DriveClean accredited shops will have to standardize to the new testing equipment and training.
He told me that the technician will have to plug a reader into the OBD2 port, take a picture of the license plate, have a camera set up to focus on the dash to make sure no check engine lights are visible, and be on the phone with a live agent! Talk about overkill.
Now, if you have a check engine light on, it's an automatic fail. If you clear the code prior to the test, they'll be able to figure it out based on readings from the ECU.
This is just what he told me, I'm not sure how much of it is true or not. The Ontario DriveClean website says there is a new program being initiated by 2013, but doesn't go into much detail.
It seems Ontario is making it more difficult to keep your older vehicles on the road.
Needless to say, I'll be getting my emissions test done immediately on both cars, just to avoid all the hassle that will ensue after this is initiated.
Has anyone else heard this yet?? This does not sound so bad after what I been through in California. Here they don't allow any modifications that may affect combustions/emissions. In other words no aftermarked turbos, intake pipes, intercoolers etc. ECMLink is our best friend when it comes to OBD2 reading during emission test. I pass OBD2 test with 850cc injectors in California thanks to the special setting in Link. Anyway, they can look at my dash board all day long and have 10 agents on the phone as long as they don't introduce "visual inspection" test prior allowing car on the rollers.
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Re: Ontario Drive Clean 2013
[Re: Jay Warwick (Pham)]
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April 13, 2012 09:53 pm UTC
April 13, 2012 09:53 pm UTC
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Fort Erie, Ont
Jay Warwick (Pham)
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I didn't really get the details on what the protocol will be for OBD1, I was in shock at the evasive nature of testing (cameras, live agents, etc).
The EVO is OBD1, so I guess I should find out. Alex, I've got link as well so that's good to know!
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Re: Ontario Drive Clean 2013
[Re: Jay Warwick (Pham)]
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April 14, 2012 02:12 am UTC
April 14, 2012 02:12 am UTC
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Guelph, Ontario
Jeremy Gilbert
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I was talking to...
Has anyone else heard this yet?? Last year I worked nights part time at a Canadian Tire service desk. North end of Guelph; not much to do but shoot the sh!t with the techs. The shop foreman was complaining about this new program all last summer (especially since they still haven't paid off the equipment installed for the current etests). Your description is pretty accurate. As far as I know, they aren't scanning the OBD1s (would be great if they would just not test them..). Since I'm on AEM, hooking a scanner up to the OBD2 does a whole lot of nothing. According to my shop foreman, I'm fracked. I'll be sneaking it in for an etest late in the year. I might also be "moving" up to Orillia.....
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Re: Ontario Drive Clean 2013
[Re: Jay Warwick (Pham)]
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April 14, 2012 02:30 am UTC
April 14, 2012 02:30 am UTC
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Guelph, Ontario
Jeremy Gilbert
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You're correct, the dynos will no longer be used.
Also, the dynos had to have been purchased through specific suppliers (you had to use their dyno), are only rated up to about 200hp (fairly useless other than etests), and most shops won't have made enough money to pay for them yet.
The entire program is ineffective and an enormous pain in our asses, but in all honesty, it's the etest facilities that really get reamed.
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Re: Ontario Drive Clean 2013
[Re: Jay Warwick (Pham)]
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April 14, 2012 03:12 am UTC
April 14, 2012 03:12 am UTC
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Toronto
Rob Cauduro
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Re: Ontario Drive Clean 2013
[Re: Jay Warwick (Pham)]
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April 14, 2012 03:24 am UTC
April 14, 2012 03:24 am UTC
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Guelph, Ontario
Jeremy Gilbert
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Last summer was one hell of an eye-opener for me. I'd be out back chatting with the guys and in my line of sight would be:
1) Some rusted-out crap bucket that probably isn't fit to drive on the road passing an etest with flying colours, then driving away with a trail of blue smoke.
2) A used tire bin that would hold about 80 tires and would need to be emptied weekly. At least 1 in 4 of the used tires had more than 50% tread left.
3) The garbage dumpster, where ALL of the shop's garbage (except for waste oil and old oil filters) would go. Empty oil/ATF/coolant/brake fluid jugs, oil soaked rags, any floordry that was used, all going into the same dumpster as the store's regular garbages.
If you had $60,000 (this was apparently the total cost to set the store up for etests, and this was in '99), would you spend it on 1), 2), or 3)? It's above aggrevating; it's just plain stupid.
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Re: Ontario Drive Clean 2013
[Re: Jay Warwick (Pham)]
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April 14, 2012 05:20 pm UTC
April 14, 2012 05:20 pm UTC
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Colborne
Adam Grenon
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You can change your license to match the PO box. However if your insurance catches on they will want you to officially change your address with them as well. Gf is from the sault and they dont have it their either.
Same as Sudbury, which I have many relatives there.
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Re: Ontario Drive Clean 2013
[Re: Jay Warwick (Pham)]
#374409
April 25, 2012 10:56 pm UTC
April 25, 2012 10:56 pm UTC
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Brampton, Ontario
steve alba
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Do you know if there still using the probe that goes into the tailpipe?
Last edited by steve alba; April 25, 2012 10:57 pm UTC.
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Re: Ontario Drive Clean 2013
[Re: Jay Warwick (Pham)]
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April 25, 2012 11:25 pm UTC
April 25, 2012 11:25 pm UTC
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Belleville, Ontario
Ryan Laliberte
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Of course they are. How do you think they measure the pollutants?
I can understand everyone's frustration, however all you need is a good working order cat to pass a 2 speed idle test.
If your car can't pass that, then there's actually something wrong with the motor/tune, or your cat is done. Two speed idle tests CO and HC, both filtered by a cat. The natural emission of a burned hydrocarbon is HC's and CO, no matter what you do. All you are doing by exceeding the limit is producing too much of one or the other.
And yes, all CEL's are emissions related. The CEL is there only for emissions purposes alone. Whatever triggered the CEL relates to emissions, regardless of what you think isn't.... it is.
My car failed Etest last year, and I was on my way to buying an Etest when I blew it up. It failed by a very small margin. I figure my cat is done.
Don't get so all up in arms about this. If your car already passes Etest, good chance it's still going to pass. The limits haven't changed, just the method they test you.
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