Failing me for a code that has nothing to do with emissions is what really burns me. My dd has a few codes I chose to ignore which don't hinder performance. I just don't wanna spend the money on it. If this rumour of failing imediately because of a check engine light is true, I'm not down with being forced to spend money on my piece if sh!t daily driver.

Lol you still have the rest of the year!

I'm hoping to get mine in next week. Hopin they over look something's.

I also wouldn't worry till you see something official last romour I heard was 20 year old and up are only to get test nothing ever happened with that

Every code that a CEL throws in relation to engine/transmission performance relates to emissions.

Well dugh. How about abs? Ive had that cel for a few years now.

ABS or SRS are independent systems, usually having a different light.

All ABS systems when in a non-functioning manner must not prevent normal braking operation under any circumstances. SRS systems are the same, when the light is on, the SRS system will not deploy.

So it's not considered a cel ?

Nope!

I feel a little better

Rob overfilling your gas tank will set a code for for you EVAP Emissions system. Which is still part of your emissions system just like the Gas cap test. They don't want any HC emissions from the tank or lines venting into the atmosphere either.

Also some manufactures have MIL(CEL) codes for other systems. Subaru may have those.

Your DSM won't. Very simple OBDII system on them.

Its not my DSM im worried about

My GC8 is a PITA to get reasonably priced parts for, and very expensive to fix even simple little things.

I wouldn't worry to much yet. Mostly just rumours so far. Since they just changed the years last October it will take them sometime to hire a committee to do research to research that research and but then hopefully they just get rid of whole damn thing.

Now that its 2013 in a few days, my car will need a safety and etest this year before spring. Doing some more research on this topic I noticed that 1997 and older get the tailpipe test, 1998 and newer get obd scanner.

Am I basically screwed now to put all my stock emissions stuff back on since mine is a 1999? I also am running a 1995 eprom ecu with link, will that be a problem? This new emissions testing is garbage..

I don't know what exactly they look for but here's the brochure:
http://www.ene.gov.on.ca/stdprodconsume/groups/lr/@ene/@resources/documents/resource/stdprod_101126.pdf

You might be able to still just get it tested the old way as a GRAY MARKET vehicle. The new system Tests your ECM to see if the readiness monitors have been set if they have then you proceed to the 2 speed tailpipe test if they arent set you fail and need to go drive around till they are set. Which I doubt Link has provision for, but they might.

I don't know what's going to happen to all the people who require an e-test in January as everyone's e-test license expires dec 31, including mine... No training program has been set up yet to teach the new system and where I work, we're not even approved for the new stuff yet even though we applied months ago. I've been running all my close friends cars so they wouldn't have to deal with the new bull anytime soon haha

Hum.... I best check my license. Is that for repair Techs aswell or just testers?

There, I fixed that for you brother.

Good question. Last time I chatted with one of the driver clean inspectors that was fixing our machine he mentioned right on dec 31st "all the license holders within the drive clean program will be ineffective" or something along those lines... he did advise me only to get enough supplies for the machine only to last till late December. I'll be waiting to see what happens

I have heard the Dyno and old tester will be useless. But i have never heard of my license expiring........Yet.

I had my Eclipse tested this past fall before I put it away as I needed an e-test next year & was worried about the new test.

I talked to the owner of my local garage & it seems like the new testing system probably won't be too bad. IIRC, 97 & older will still be a tail pipe test, but their not using the dyno anymore, so I would imagine that might mean no nox even for 2wd vehicles (as it will just be a two stage idle test).

For 98 & newer, its an OBDII scan. So if you have an aftermarket ecu, your probably screwed. If you have link, you should be fine. All cars are allowed to have one readiness monitor not set but certain cars have known issues with monitors, Mitsu happens to be one, so they are supposed to be allowed to have two readiness monitors not set & pass. He might have said a tail pipe test might be an option if you fail the OBDII scans but I don't recall 100%.

Mitsu's OBDII system is basic compared to newer cars. So most people shouldn't have issues passing.

I will have to ask our tester guy, I haven't actually tested a car in many years( cost too much) I just get them when they fail.

well i know at my work we just got the system and ive been learning more and more about it.. the phone calls are just if you want to get audited, and also for those who have changed their ecu's like for ecm link or anything else.. the test also scans the ecu for the VIN number.. so when you switch the ecu it will have a different VIN number programmed, so im not sure if you can change that with ecm link or not.. but then again i don't know if thats true im just going by what i was told by my buddy at my work.. and if you do have a check engine light on and you clear it, they will find out and it will fail and then you have to do a retest in a weeks time to see if the light stayed off and if it does it will pass. its really stupid

No way. I dont think ECU have vin numbers of the car in there memory lol. Mabey it checks for model number, even that I doubt.

Sorry Deep, it's true, but only for newer cars (I think it is 2006+). They have the VIN and also two IDs to check what software the ECU is running and the exact level / checksum (CID and CVN). So in theory they could know if you've changed ECUs or even flashed it. Nobody seems to know what the Driveclean program will do if those vales are wrong - I suspect the answer is to pay extra $$ for a roller test but we will see.

You DSM guys should be fine unless you're running a standalone on a 96+

Yeah eh, Makes sense for newer cars. Never had to change ecu on any of them so wouldn't know. Also I think the roller is gone completely with the new system. Its just a 2 speed idle.

As Jeff said, as far as I know, DSM ecu's shouldn't have an issue with VIN's (as I said above, their OBDII setup is pretty basic compared to newer cars).

Don't believe you can have a CEL showing when you go for the test. If you reset the CEL, like any OBDII setup, it resets all the readiness monitors (readiness montiors being set is what they test for with the OBDII scan). So yes, that will fail as you'll need to do some combined driving to get the readiness monitors to set again.

Think the DSM ecu only has 4 readiness tests. At times I've set all of them, even with the MDP & rear O2 sensor disconnected (using those inputs to log different inputs with link). So as I said, shouldn't be too hard for most to pass the scan.

I know of a couple shops that have been using the new system for a few months already. I'm not sure what kind of training the techs went through, but I don't think people will have trouble getting etests in the new year.

So has anyone had to face the dreaded test yet?

I talked to the shop who originally told me about the new system, and they were retrofitted with the equipment in late November. They have tested some vehicles on it prior to the Jan/2013 cutoff, and apparently it's a 50/50 split between passes and fails. Keep in mind, Fort Erie is home to it's fair share of backyard mechanics!

Training is just some bull test online. I just went through it to reinstate my license.

Cars are failing like crazy!!

If you got CE light you fail.

If you replace the part causing the check engine light and reset it, go back in right away you fail.

If you replace battery and go in right away you fail.



Once repairing the fault for CE light or even putting in a new battery and reseting ecu you have to drive for a day or two because I think it takes time for your ecu to get readings in.

Got this info from a friend.

Anyone get their 1g DSM tested yet? I am interested to know what the testing procedure and results are like.

Are the curb idle tests suppose to be any different?

My buddy's work has been testing the "new way" since mid-late summer.
He said unless there is a check engine light on, the code was recently cleared, or ther is no power at the OBD port, cars have been passing with ease.

When I got my 1g tested, there was a Subaru on the new machine getting tested, he said "yours is old, it needs to go over to the other machine"
We went over there, and he did the typical curb idle test that we have all seen. However that was in the fall.

So does the hot rod test still work the same for cars with swapped motors? Can i just swap to a hiundi valve cover.. convince my mechanic to certify the car with a non original motor.. and not worry about it?

At the time I had my e-test done, my car was still listed as a hot-rod.

You only need to convince someone once that the motor in there did not come in the car, and the car's info is modified for good in their system.

Usually you are suppose to provide documentation about the motor. Mine which was a 2.4L.

My limits were:
2500rpm
HC:200
CO: 1

Idle
HC:200
CO:1
Not sure convincing them you swapped a differnt 2.0L in there will help you at all.


now back to the OP topic

I was asking cause it would be away around the new system.. still on topic.


I wont have much emissions left on my car when its ready for the road. So I can only assume it wont pass now.

Can Link hide codes and out smart the new system?

Cars 1997 and older are exempt from the new system, and will still be tested using the old sniff-n-smell. For 99.9% of you DSM owners, you are safe.

For the rare few that have 1998 Talons.... well...
Read Me

Was wondering the same.

Ryan - nice find. If I had to do mine this year, I would be able to report my findings. So I'll be leaving that for one of you guys.

Also, if you're not running your original motor, ask about hot rod status please. I'd like to know if this has changed.

Sounds like a bunch of extra, unnessecary driving... go go drive clean

1998-2000 is allowed 2 NOT READY monitors. Our cars only have 4 Monitors that the ecu checks. Compared to newer vehicles our pcm is very basic. With this knowledge you can easily pass the test as long as your front o2 sensor is alive and working (2 monitors are: O2 sensor, and o2 heater).

The other 2 monitors our ecus look at is Catalyst and EVAP. Seeing as link can turn off the ecu from "checking" that monitor you can basically uncheck the box for both and wont have a check engine light on. MIL will not be commanded on and those 2 monitors will just say NOT READY.

So basically we can go in with our 3" exhausts, loping cams, stinking of fuel and technically still pass the OBD2 test.