CLUTCH GAVE UP! TRANS WON'T SHIFT!
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June 23, 2012 02:28 am UTC
June 23, 2012 02:28 am UTC
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Mike Eng
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FML!!!
On my way home tonight, driving normally and coming through a turn, I'm starting out in 2nd gear and shifting into 3rd at about 3000 rpm, the car just stalled out on me and the clutch pedal suddenly became firm as if there was a brick behind it.
I'm still at a cruising speed of roughly 40km/h and in neutral, the car starts back up again (turning the ignition)..and pressing the clutch pedal is still VERY VERY STIFF!! like, to the point where I was able to fight the shifter into 2nd gear, barely into 3rd (using a lot of force) and want's to grind going into 4th..so I left it in 2nd gear for my drive home as I was only about 5 minutes away and didn't rev past 3.5k rpm..
the car runs fine, something has got to be mechanically wrong with the clutch fork I'm thinking, maybe the release/throwout bearing...?
I checked the fluid, it's full (obviously if the pedal is coming back up). I havn't gone underneath the car yet, which I may have to wait until tomorrow in the day light.
ANY IDEA'S YOU GUYS???? I kinda sorta need the car for work...but I can use my beater intrepid *UGGHH*
EDIT: It's a Bully Stage 3 and Fidanza 8lbs Flywheel.
Last edited by Mike Eng; June 23, 2012 03:11 am UTC.
'99 GSX GT35R '03 CBR 600RR
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Re: CLUTCH GAVE UP! TRANS WON'T SHIFT!
[Re: Mike Eng]
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June 23, 2012 03:21 am UTC
June 23, 2012 03:21 am UTC
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Mike Eng
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I replaced the slave and master cylinder from ziggy with OE parts, bled the EFF out of the lines and adjusted my pedal assembly as per jafro...2 seasons ago. I've driven the car for almost 15,000 miles since...not a single issue.
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Re: CLUTCH GAVE UP! TRANS WON'T SHIFT!
[Re: Mike Eng]
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June 23, 2012 03:26 am UTC
June 23, 2012 03:26 am UTC
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Ryan Laliberte
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Guess what.
Your tranny is coming off. Sounds like either the Belleville spring has failed or you've lost a spring on the clutch disc. Something is causing your clutch to not release.
Clutches do not just "FAIL" like that, there are signs that are tell tale of a clutch on its way out. If they do fail as you're describing, then something mechanically has fucked itself.
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Re: CLUTCH GAVE UP! TRANS WON'T SHIFT!
[Re: Mike Eng]
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June 23, 2012 03:35 am UTC
June 23, 2012 03:35 am UTC
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Rob Cauduro
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Take the faker off, that's where I'd start, the carnage should be obvious
Spin the input shaft on the tranny by hand, it should move free. If so, proceed the flywheel/ clutch area and remove that
Last edited by Rob Cauduro; June 23, 2012 03:36 am UTC.
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Re: CLUTCH GAVE UP! TRANS WON'T SHIFT!
[Re: Mike Eng]
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June 23, 2012 03:52 am UTC
June 23, 2012 03:52 am UTC
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I may not have the time to tackle that until Monday..I'm going camping this weekend with the GF and a couple of friends. I'm going to trace all the lines for kinks first, but I think they'll be fine..then work on dropping the trans. I think you guys are right. IF and I MEAN IF!!! I'm doomed into buying a new trans...any recommendations as I plan to get the car in and around the 500-600hp range..? shep stage 4? it's only $2g's'ish...maybe it's too soon to be thinking about that. I just dropped almost a grand in a mishimoto cooling system. why not a new trans...?
Last edited by Mike Eng; June 23, 2012 03:58 am UTC.
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Re: CLUTCH GAVE UP! TRANS WON'T SHIFT!
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June 23, 2012 03:25 pm UTC
June 23, 2012 03:25 pm UTC
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Ghislain Goudreau
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Hello
My bet would be a colapsed TOB. Busted Marcel Spring or Finger would still allow you to "row" into Gear.
Let us know what your findings.
Ghislain
Rouge!!!
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Re: CLUTCH GAVE UP! TRANS WON'T SHIFT!
[Re: Mike Eng]
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June 23, 2012 03:28 pm UTC
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Mike Eng
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Hey Ghis! It's funny, last night when I made this post. I thought of a handful of people who would be knowledgeable enough and willing to help me out, and all of you have posted here! Thanks for the support TEAM!
'99 GSX GT35R '03 CBR 600RR
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Re: CLUTCH GAVE UP! TRANS WON'T SHIFT!
[Re: Mike Eng]
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June 24, 2012 12:18 am UTC
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Ghislain Goudreau
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It's always a pleasure to help and feel flattered (sp?).
Just passing on some of my previous experience. Read: I have destroyed 2 TOB in past 5 years. Both failure resulted in similar problems.
Again; report your findings and I'll do my best to assist.
Ghislain
Rouge!!!
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Re: CLUTCH GAVE UP! TRANS WON'T SHIFT!
[Re: Mike Eng]
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June 25, 2012 10:16 pm UTC
June 25, 2012 10:16 pm UTC
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So I started a little late today. After a brunch with my sister, I got taking apart everything just before noon. I go to turn on my compressor (200 gallon 220v atlas capco) and it just died. ***FML*** i figured out using my multimeter that the capacitors blew. I found replacements but had to special order them, picking them up tomorrow. atleast they're cheap.
This is becoming frustrating. I've got absolutely everything off except the axels because the 32mm king nuts are pretty seized and without my impact gun, the breaker bar (rated to 350lbs) just won't crack them loose..I had my GF here help by holding the brake pedal down and well...I need comp. air.
I did however manage to have a look inside the bell housing through clutch fork hole and I pulled out A LOT of grease and hair looking material a long with small flakes of metal.
This is killing me to found out what's going on inside there and I may have to wait a day or so before I find out. We're approaching month end at work and that ties me up quite a bit.
anyway, I wanted to thank you all again for the help thus far. As I continue with this project, I'll keep updating this thread as I go. hopefully I can get it back on the road by the weekend.
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Re: CLUTCH GAVE UP! TRANS WON'T SHIFT!
[Re: Mike Eng]
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June 25, 2012 11:23 pm UTC
June 25, 2012 11:23 pm UTC
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shockingly, I'm running OE blank rotors But that was a good idea LOL edit: you mean the vents inside the disc...? hrmmm..that may work
Last edited by Mike Eng; June 25, 2012 11:33 pm UTC.
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Re: CLUTCH GAVE UP! TRANS WON'T SHIFT!
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June 25, 2012 11:32 pm UTC
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Rob Cauduro
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put your wheels back on, put the car on the ground, and try breaking the nut through the rim if the socket fits
Or put a pry bar between the studs, with the lugs butted up against the hub so you dont damage the threads. The bar should be long enough to touch the ground as a stop, Ive done this method many times.
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Re: CLUTCH GAVE UP! TRANS WON'T SHIFT!
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June 25, 2012 11:34 pm UTC
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Ghislain Goudreau
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...Or put a pry bar between the studs, with the lugs butted up against the hub so you dont damage the threads. The bar should be long enough to touch the ground as a stop, Ive done this method many times. Yuuuuup!!!
Rouge!!!
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Re: CLUTCH GAVE UP! TRANS WON'T SHIFT!
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June 25, 2012 11:38 pm UTC
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I've got them soaking in penetrating oil, I've tried heating them but I'm still turning the rotor with the callipers compressed. I may try either of your methods later tonight, I'm just digesting a hearty meal of sloppy joes at the moment.
'99 GSX GT35R '03 CBR 600RR
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Re: CLUTCH GAVE UP! TRANS WON'T SHIFT!
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June 26, 2012 12:11 am UTC
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Ghislain Goudreau
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Digest away and make sure to let us know how things goes for ya!!!
Rouge!!!
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June 26, 2012 02:48 am UTC
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Bryan Lawrence
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Hey Mike when you get in there post up some pictures we want to see what she looks like.
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Re: CLUTCH GAVE UP! TRANS WON'T SHIFT!
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June 28, 2012 01:42 am UTC
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Update:
I've had very little time to tackle this project due to work. I have however come across a few other probblems I'm fixing as I go.
1. My oil pan is leaking. I have a new replacement. 2. My tcase is leaking (wow eh)..its a slow leak but I havn't figured out where it's coming from. Seems like it may be a gasket closest to the trans. 3. I'm finally getting around to installing my moog adjustable upper control arms that are pcoated and have all the front suspension off. 4. My sway bar end links are on their way out. I need to order new ones. Zigggy!!! 5. It's a dsm. Come on. I'm a hardcore enthusiast. I'll never let her go, even if she blew up. I'd be mike petro'in my way into another 2gb awd anyway.
I've got the axels out, the tranny mounts off, I'm getting to the bell housing but I don't know if its my A.D.D. Or O.C.D..distracting me from getting it apart and inspecting it. I see another problem, I fix it. Fml!
End log.
Last edited by Mike Eng; June 28, 2012 01:43 am UTC.
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Re: CLUTCH GAVE UP! TRANS WON'T SHIFT!
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June 29, 2012 01:02 pm UTC
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Ah yes... My GSX used to leak oil EVERYWHERE! Turbo return, oil pan, front cover, valve cover, filler cap, etc. Rebuilt it, and now it only seems to be a slow leak at the valve cover (have the spare, just too lazy...) and at the rear seal oddly enough, and I think I'm blowing some through my turbo... Just figured I'll fix it all when I start doing my summer upgrade.
But to the point, let me know where you're getting your tranny from/rebuilt and ask if they sell the Evo 5th gears. I've been trying to track a set of those down for a while now. 2 birds, one stone type of thing.
I'm interested to hear what the issue is. Good luck.
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