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No start after clutch adjustment #383194
September 06, 2012 10:20 pm UTC
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So I went ahead and adjusted my clutch. Yay!

Now the car won't start. Haha.

There seems to be a bit of a mess under the dash where all of the wiring is, thanks to the previous owner.

What could I have knocked loose?

I'm trying to find the clutch switch to unplug it and see if she'll start.

*sigh*


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Re: No start after clutch adjustment [Re: Michael Lee] #383195
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just remember to put it into neutral before starting the car with the switch unplugged, or have the clutch pedal depressed.

but for the problem, i'd unplug that switch and see if it works.

2 second job smile

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Re: No start after clutch adjustment [Re: Michael Lee] #383196
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I can't find the switch. I can't find any pics of it either online.

Also, it's not a 2 second job with all the mess down under there. frown


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Re: No start after clutch adjustment [Re: Michael Lee] #383200
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I definitely knocked something loose under there that's tied into my Compustar alarm system.

Now the battery is draining frown

Possibly a bad ground. I think it is anyways, it's a wire that's tied into a screw at the base of the clutch pedal assembly and it's all cut up and torn.

Not sure what else has been knocked loose under there, but I guess I'll find out eventually.

frown

If anyone can help that'd be great, but it's already getting dark out.

Heading out to meet someone for dinner now without the car *sigh*

Edit: I have one of those flashlights that strap to your head and a clean driveway if anyone wants to help me out tonight. smile Beer too.
At least my clutch is now adjusted right!? laugh

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follow the clutch petal all the way past where it pivots and you should see a button that it's pushing, follow the button to a connector and disconnect it. leave the one that it hits when you push it down all the way, that is for CC


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Re: No start after clutch adjustment [Re: Bryan Lawrence] #383203
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Originally Posted by Bryan Lawrence
follow the clutch petal all the way past where it pivots and you should see a button that it's pushing, follow the button to a connector and disconnect it. leave the one that it hits when you push it down all the way, that is for CC


That's the one!? I thought that wasn't the one.

ARgh.

According to this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1STI1Tw8ZI


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Re: No start after clutch adjustment [Re: Michael Lee] #383205
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So it seems my dinner plans fell through.

Now I'm reading up on the alarm install.



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Re: No start after clutch adjustment [Re: Michael Lee] #383206
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Re: No start after clutch adjustment [Re: Michael Lee] #383207
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Thanks Mike.

Now it's confirmed the one with the switch is NOT the one.
-1 point for Bryan. tongue



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Re: No start after clutch adjustment [Re: Michael Lee] #383215
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Found the clutch switch and unplugged it. No go.

Now it's an electrical problem. Battery is almost dead as well.

Could use some help before Saturday night, as I have an annual practice meeting I'm supporting and have to lug a bunch of gear down to a hotel.

I'd hate to have to do so via TTC with a bunch of gear. Actually I probably can't, too much stuff.

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Re: No start after clutch adjustment [Re: Michael Lee] #383217
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theres a fuse box there too, have a look inside. maybe it will become obvious to you if something looks out of the ordinary.

a lot can be wired through that area. after market gauges are the most common along with after market alarm systems. check "black" wires and their grounds, check wiring that has been taped with electrical tape (most likely if it's been moved and not soldered/crimped together with a connector, it can cause a drain)..

do you have a pic so we can see what you're dealing with?


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Re: No start after clutch adjustment [Re: Michael Lee] #383220
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Thanks a lot Mike, for texting me earlier as well. smile

I will have a pic tomorrow after I take off the side panel in that area to get a better look.

I'll just start ripping stuff out and start fresh.

Yes you're right, most of the wires under there are all taped together. frown


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Does it not crank or crank and doesnt start? I would disco the connector at your aftermarket alarm. and see what happens.

Re: No start after clutch adjustment [Re: Michael Lee] #383223
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No crank at all.

I tried disconnecting the main harness that goes into the alarm and nothing.

This happened once before when I picked up my car from a shop recently.

The starter cable was disconnected, bypassed, car started, then put back and car was fine.

This time I didn't touch anything under the hood, was just performing a clutch adjustment as per Jack's transmission's video, and bumped some wires by the clutch, and bam, no start. frown


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What do you mean by starter cable bypassed? Maybe it is time to cut some of the crap out and start anew. How are you at wiring?

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lol at stephen, thats first thing i said too tongue

start with buying yourself some wire connectors, and one at a time, take apart the taped connections and connect them properly. you'll no doubt get your problem solved, and have proper connections..

your 2 second job turned into MAYBE 20 minutes if you have the right tools;

- crimper/cutter/stripper
- maybe some side cutters to tidy sh!t up
- zip ties to keep the wiring out of the way of your feet and pedals,
- patience..

you'll get it! wink


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wire connectors, and crimp them not once, twice, but three times, evenly distribute the metal clamp inside the plastic shield. then you can wrap it with electrical tape..and remember to lightly tug on the wires to check you have a good crimp. wink

http://www.14gaugespeakerwire.net/images/speaker%20wire%20connectors%202.jpg

they should look like this

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Re: No start after clutch adjustment [Re: Michael Lee] #383232
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Thanks guys. Ugh. Here we go.

Hopefully I can get the car going before Saturday night.

By bypassing the starter I meant he started the car from under the hood at the starter itself.


Edit: How am I at wiring? Never done it, well other than inside computer cases, but never really had to splice wires.
Some help would be greatly appreciated.

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crimps are ok. solder is the best only if you can solder though.

I am not sure about a 2g but if you look at clutch pedal on a 1g nearest to the firewall the pedal pushes a switch. That is the switch that tells the starter to engauge. has a white connector with two wires. probably has your alarm tied into it. check there first. you could pull the connector and jump it just make sure you are in neutral when you turn the key.

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Originally Posted by Stephen Richardson
crimps are ok. solder is the best only if you can solder though.

I am not sure about a 2g but if you look at clutch pedal on a 1g nearest to the firewall the pedal pushes a switch. That is the switch that tells the starter to engauge. has a white connector with two wires. probably has your alarm tied into it. check there first. you could pull the connector and jump it just make sure you are in neutral when you turn the key.


I already disconnected that plug, no crank.



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i said jump it bro. disco will just make it see clutch pedal is up

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R38e4XVhLo

Mother trucker, this makes me mad.

Why did the previous owner use electrical tape!?


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Originally Posted by Stephen Richardson
i said jump it bro. disco will just make it see clutch pedal is up


I am so newbie it hurts.

By jumping it you mean ...


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cotter pin, paper clip. another piece of wire. Jump the side from the harness not the switch side

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That should start the car?

Just tap the sides or does it need to be held there.


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that should bypass the switch if it is faulty. do it from the wire side like the back of the connector not where it plugs in. you dont want to damage the pins. it may or may not start the car it still could be your alarm or other crap there.

They tie into that wire for starter kills on aftermaket alarms. If you know how to use a meter you could check for power and ground at the connector aswell

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Thanks Stephen I'll give it a go.


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let me know how it goes

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Did I mention I have beer? laugh


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Maybe if you said you had weed you'd get more offers for help tongue

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I would never...*cough*

Anything is possible.

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Bah...I work from 9-5. frown

I'll probably be home by 5:30pm


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Where in T.O are you located Michael?

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I'm in North York just north of the 401 east off of Yonge on Finch.

Whoever is coming to help, if anyone, please bring a charge kit or something.

I think my battery is almost dead. frown

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Do you have soldering iron Michael? Soldering is easy, put the gun on the wire, let it heat up the wire, touch the solder to the wire and have it melt into the wire. If you iron sucks like mine then you have to touch the iron to the solder and then kind of spread it over the wires.


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Nope I do not.


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