The link below is for a turbo blanket from a guy in the states. I am planning on picking one up but wanted to see if anyone else was interested so we could save a little on shipping. Shipping is 25 and then about 5 for each additional, if we get enough people then I will see if I can arrange a cheaper price on the blankets themselves.

You forgot the link

LOL thank you sir!

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/300715581521?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619

I want one but gunna get a price from zig first

I would like one as well. Didn't know they were on ebay now. I wouldnt mind getting in on a group buy and save a bit.

Kyle, that was my original plan but he doesn't have them in the store anymore. I think we should wait and see what he says when he returns and then we can go from there.

I would be interested in one aswell, group buy would be ideal!

Ziggy'll be back Friday night. At some point a few days after that, he can look into bringing these in.

Paul, do you think he would be able to do a group by and offer a better price than the one that is on Ebay?

No idea, I'm going to let Ziggy work his own magic. I doubt, however, that he will fixate on that one link and ignore any other source. Any details beyond that, you'll just have to wait until he gets back.

Ok sounds good, thank you Paul

I'd be interested in one as well. Please keep me updated

This is my first time with Internet access since getting here, so cant say too much right now, but will look into this. USUALLY the ebay sellers are already selling at rock bottom price and wont give any further quantity discounts, but I will try when I get back. Anyone know of other sources for these where I can try looking?

I remember when I first found out about the blankets this is the guy that was making them on tuners (I am pretty sure) oh and this dude is a supporting vendor on tuners too.
http://crdpower.com/product.sc;jsessionid=D84C3F3A73BD8C60FE9E55C1093BB59F.qscstrfrnt04?productId=50&categoryId=7

You can also find them here, this is his actual website:

http://www.crdpower.com/

Guys name is Levi, great guy to deal with & great product.

Me likey. Rob has the set up I want.

Yea rob has that blanket, see what you can do ziggy, would rather give you the business.

+1. Flawless transaction for a great product.

It says FP manifold only? Do they make a 16g cover?

This is a manifold blanket, are you trying to find a turbo blanket?

Does anyone on here know if this would work with my HAFE manifold?

It should work, I don't think that protrussion is big enough to make it not fit. I assume your not running a wastegate off it?

You want to look here:

http://www.ptpturboblankets.com/

The WRX blankets will fit a 16g.


Guys with FP turbo's can also get a specific turbo blanket from these guys as well.

The FP mani blanket will fit on a stock exhaust mani but the fitment isn't great. It was designed specifically for the FP mani, so it'll be abit sloppy on the stock mani's. I was talking to Levi about making a blanket for the FP turbo as well (just because I like everything to match). So that might be available in the future as well.

Anyone notice any performance difference, or lower coolant temps from these blankets?

I'm pretty sure I remember seeing a thread on ecmlink regarding this exact manifold blanket in a test with and without it on, last I heard it helped a lot with underhood temps, not so much coolant temps. I wouldnt assume there would be any performance increase by using the blanket, however I may be wrong.

Yea I just don't think that containing all that heat in the exhaust manifold and turbine housing is beneficial to it in the long run at all. I guess the only benefit is keeping underhood temps cooler and it looks super KEWL!
I'd like to see an exhaust manifold that has had extended mileage with this blanket on, not your typical DSM'er who's car sits in the garage most of the year. I just can't see myself abusing my FP manifold like that, it will probably end up cracking and warping

A couple of my friends with HIGH HP cars ALL run turbo blankets and their cars are just not faster than mines, so for now, I'll pass on the theory....

Basically, the blankets are for containing the heat, as did the Factory sheilds.

Melting rad fanss, my carbon hood, and cooking alternators is not something I like to see. the blankets are not performance upgrades IMO, but rather they save your other parts from cooking, and they help keep the under hood temps down which would help intake temps if your not running a sealed box around your air filter.

And they look clean and nice to boot.

I got over 400,000 km on my car now. I don't cook my rad fans and never have. My CF hood has the factory heat shield on it and the clear coat still looks mint. My car has never seen an exhaust manifold or 02 housing heat shield and I don't go through alternators either. I don't have an airbox around my FP air intake. My car runs 10's like this on pump gas. I understand the lower underhood temps and looking nice to boot at the expense of my exhaust manifold. What else am I missing?

I don't want to play follow the leader here, lol. I'm pretty much looking for facts, that's all

Well arent you a F*cking GOD then. Jesus Christ do you have to nit pick about everything. frack off already

Ok, I guess I should just buy the stupid blanket then, SOLD!

Sorry man, I'll just keep my facts to myself next time

Are you still here? The party is over, everyones gone home. Get outta here and stop eating all the cheetos.

Its a heat sheild moron. Buy one or dont. Who cares. I want one and obviously so do others.

LoL, right I forgot you OWN this place.

Here we go again lmao

I've worked on multiple co-gen plants with gas and steam powered turbines.

They all have thermal blankets and such.


Just sayin'

Nah, Reza's Godly TEN SEDOND DSM and his infinite knowledge suggests heat shields are a myth and there's absolutely no use for them and we are all sheep for buying them.

Everyone bow down to Rob and don't ask him any constructive questions that he can't answer, or else you know what happens ^^^^^^
CLUB DSM CANADA for you folks!
Call me whatever you like Rob, I really don't care.....

Buddy, we are friends, but when you start sh!t, Im gonna call you on it

Luv u bye bye

I know, but I just realized why I barely learn anything from this site, and you didn't call me on anything AT ALL !
Love you too my man!

Reza, its a heat shield. Honestly bro,

How can it NOT benefit a turbo setup that no longer can use the factory shields.

Sorry I don't have numbers. Hows this.......I'll take it to the track, and run without it.

Then IMMEDIATELY install them, and take another run, and POST RESULTS RIGHT AWAY...lol

My stock heat shield did nothing, I have heard people can put there face on the blanket after they have run the car, I couldn't even touch the shield after a run.

Well it still protects the rest of the engine. The stock shield may be hot, but it's made of metal, so that's normal. Its goal is to keep the hot air from going everywhere, hence it's bell shape to keep the heat down low where the hot components are.

If the heat wasn't in the heat shield, where would it be? Transferred to your alternator, hood, head or power steering pump. Do you want it there instead?

The air gap between the shield and the exhaust manifold is also an insulator. That why it only touches at 3 points?

I'd rather have a heat shield than a turbo blanket. Right now after all this discussion, I think the only reason I'd run a turbo blanket is so that it could sleep cozy at night, and maybe when I'm at Tim Hortons at night I'll have something to lean against to look cool in front of all the ricers

Give it some time, my theory suggests all your manifolds will warp and crack from excessive heat over time

Your theory is probably right. The guys at Road race, and PTP and turbo performance products are all a bunch of quacks.

FACT: These blankets will shorten the life of your manifold. Dare i say it Reza is right. Heat kills.

FACT: These blankets will increase the life of components around them.

FACT: OEM's do not use blankets because they do not pass longevity guideline that they have in place for there product. They don't want to deal with deteriorating blankets that end up making weird smells in the cabin. No manufacturer wants to add that to deal with. Heat shields are the compromise.

FACT: Heat in the right places translates to added power

Well if you say they are quacks, I'm gonna have to believe you.
That's why I only run FP products, and oddly enough they don't sell any That's soo weird!

i'm too lazy to type everything out (plus i should be working lol) but Reza stop by the shop i'll buy you a coffee and i'll explain the entire theory. I'll need a scientific calculator and will clear the white board.

FACT: turning your boost controller one more click will give you more power than adding a blanket. But what do you when you run out of clicks?

FACT: There are other form of benchmarking a cars ability then a quarter mile time

Heat may kill, I agree. One thing Reza may not know that is that rapid different temperature heat cycles kill more! Letting your hot manifold cool slower with a blanket is better than having it cool quickly without one.

Warping? I'll give you that, more heat will warp metal, but i believe the cracking wont be caused by over heating, IMO thats caused by thermal shock from cooling too quickly.


Long story short, I just feel the pros out weigh the cons........ ten fold.

Personally, I'm more worried about my FP manifold and turbine housing getting damaged than any other benefits of this. I guess we all have different goals here. I got over 80,000 km on my turbo and manifold, and they both look as good as new. I just don't think that would have been the case if I had a blanket on them for that amount of time.

Hey look at the Brightside! Maybe you guys might get your SS ARP turbo bolts heat welded into the turbo exhaust housing nicely with this blanket, LOLz

Since both of you two will be racing your cars around a track, I do think this will be beneficial to you. You probably will burn your rad fans and CF hoods without it

We need a soap opera called "As the Turbo Spools"
other then the bickering there are many valid points being raised from both sides of this issue.
Lots for people to think about and lots of reasons for people to either buy or not

I'm looking into this to keep the heat down during extended runs. Maybe not heating the engine bay 10 seconds at a time.

I am looking for a evo3 manifold blanket and a 16g blanket. Also going to wrap my down pipe with exhaust wrap and coolant pipe in foil insulator to keep the heat out.

The wrx turbo blanket fits the dsm 16g properly? or is it baggy? our o2 housing is way different i thought.

My turbo bolts are OEM, Where the frack did that come from?

Im going to keep a close eye on the condition of my turbo setup after this conversation and report back. Im also going to dig up more results on the interweb just for piece of mind.

Im not saying your not right, but Im not agreeing with you either.

Oh sorry my bad, I just thought you did everything Mike did, or Mike did everything you did. Brightside bros !

You couldnt be more wrong, we conflict on many things about building our cars FYI

I'd say our cars are almost complete opposite

1g vs. 2g. 6-bolt vs 7-bolt, stroker vs 2.0 but we both have CF hoods.

Wait till we ceramic coat our manifolds AND put a blanket on them! They'll be wet noodle warped!

i'm looking for the emoticon of the smiley face with a tub of popcorn infront of him....


popcorn anyone??

Realize guys that were all friends and Reza stops by the shop once a month and shoots the sh$t with us. It all in good fun.

Back to the ARP catalogue i go to see if i can get 12pt hardware for my valve cover

My FP mani has been ceramic coated since new (first the FP silver coating, then Swaintech). I origionally also ran a JM Fab headshied that was ceramic coated & had heat tape on the underside as well. I have since switched to the blanket in this thread. I've had my FP mani for years (probably one of the first on this board to get one). Last time I checked, zero cracks.

I ran my FP 3052 with a blanket for years, zero issues. Now running the DSM82 HTA with a blanket.

Sure they trap the heat in, which isn't necessarly a bad thing as far as performance goes but I would guess it may make the chance of cracking greater. With that being said, if you buy a good, properly designed component to start with, cracking probably won't be an issue.


Personally I like the cooler under hood temps & reduction in coolent temps. The parts I run are designed to take the abuse & I choose to run excellent oil. For me the benefits out weigh the possible issues, for others they may not.....

+1 , we go back a long ways, Mike knows how I like to criticize everything. We're all friends here folks

Theres nothing I love more than arguing with Reza. Once in a while I hit a sensitive spot. He tickles easily Spice of life

this is where I ask my gf who has the remote "is there anything else on tv?" hahahah

I don't blame you Mike, at the end of the day these turbo blankets are just another one of those ghey DSM things, like Rob and Mike

Not quite as gay as having an automatic evo wanna be.

Lol good one!
but check again, it's not an auto. It actually has two clutches and no torque converter. Of course you wouldn't know since you don't own one

It AUTOMATICALLY controls the clutch

When something does something automatically i call it an automatic? What do you call it?

Here Mike, enjoy the read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Clutch_SST

There is a reason they call it a Twin Clutch SST transmission. What are you Rob's girlfriend?
You two should petition to Mitsubishi, not me

TomAto, TOMaTO lol

Hey it's passed 5pm, don't you have a go bum frack Mike at Brightside tonight?
I think he's already on his way

Alright lads, hug it out already.

Reza's 1G, his ability to build and tune are pretty godly tbh

One question about this though, increasing the heat in the turbo / manifold, would it not cause the intake temperatures to raise / be higher than usual? Maybe even heat soak faster / longer?

I think it actually reduces heat transfer from hot to cold side.

Dont feed the animals. His head is gonna explode from ego overdose

Guys, the word Godly shouldn't even be used here. Ten second DSM's are still slow as frack IMO. I don't even consider mines to be fast at all anymore.

Everything here is ALL theory, except for the fact that these turbo blankets keep your underhood temps lower, which never seemed to affect me as much in my DSM life.

Sorry Rob, but NOTHING here ever boosts my ego This is the Rob C era. Everyone please swing off of his nuts.

C'mon, don't you got any more pics of powder coated machined sh!t to put up?

This has made my morning reading all these "cheap shots" back and forth! You guys shure are entertaining.
Thanks

shut the frack up Reza, your car is fast

haha That was a good morning read..

Maybe I am out to lunch, but would you not want your turbo to be able to dissipate the heat!?

Not bundle it all up inside?

Darren, have you ever done a comparison with and without the blanket?

Well the theory is that bundling up all that heat in the exhaust housing will cause the gases to expand quicker, thus making your turbo spool faster. I could not find any real proof or tests on this though.

I agree with you Mike. I would rather have my turbo dissipate the heat rather than keep it in. Other things could also make your turbo spool quicker, like having a pressure regulator connected to the top port of your wastegate, rather than a ball and spring on the side port. Some things actually look great on paper, but in reality you may not even notice the difference at all.

Mike, no didn't do any "real" testing but without a doubt they will definitly reduce under hood temps. Before the blankets, pop the hood after my ~45min drive home from work & you'd get a good blast of hot air. Putting your hand close to the mani or turbine housing would probably result in a burn if you held it there. After the blankets that blast of air was much cooler & you could hold your hand within a few inches of the mani or turbine housing, no problem. Could even touch them if you wanted.

In general, coolent temps seem to drop a few deg as well.

As Rza said, keeping the heat in, is supposed to be better for the turbo but in the real world, doubt it makes much difference one way or the other (well atleast not for a "typical" setup).

My thinking is heat kills things, there's alot of stuff under the hood that can have its life shortened from heat, so I'd rather protect it. Up to this point haven't had any issues using the blankets.

Edit: Also haven't made up another heatshield to isolate my intake filter yet after the switch to SD, again, inlet temps dropped a few deg after the blankets as well.

I never cared much for blankets, but since I was using a ported Mitsubishi manifold and the turbo hotside also had the bolt holes, I was able to keep my stock upper and stock lower (lower with a little modification) heatshields in place.

The temp differences can be felt as soon as the hood is opened. Either way, I never melted or destroyed anything due to heat. Not a single rad fan, alternator, P/S pump, etc and all those things had 250,000+ kms.

It must be a 2g thing

Now that you mention it, I wonder if it's the same heat that rots out strut towers

doesn't hot air travel faster than cold air?

so having this blanket to retain heat would hypothetically help spool the turbo faster..?

Yeah, that's what I kept reading when I bought my tubular manifold which is why I wrapped it, it cracked pretty soon after (ebay).

Alright, I'll bite... what am I missing here? You state that you never had any failures from heat but you also state you were running factory heatshields. How does this prove that heat generated from the turbo/mani aren't an issue?

Heat kills things, it might not happen right away but it will shorten the lifespan of most parts. There is a reason why they had heatshields from the factory. If running the stock heatshields was an option, I'd probably still have them but for some people its not & a blanket is the only option.

An Ebay manifold cracked?..... What a surprise

There was a time before I got the heat shields where I didn't run a single shield. No shields, no blankets, not even any heat wrap. My old FWD, same story. But once I did get the OEM heat shields, I noticed a big improvement in cooler underhood temperatures.

LOL, I was a newb then and was not aware that they could crack that easily, so I was pretty pissed. I have hear that if you enforce the welds then a ebay manifold will actually stand up to the heat.

tried that, still doesn't work. fp ftw!

Just re-doing the welds probably won't do much, think the guys that do it & have the best luck add additional braces. If you properly support the weight of the turbo, any tubular mani will last much longer without cracking. Its the weight, combined with heating & cooling that does them in. Think even the Ebay ones can do alright, if the turbo has been supported.

So we obviously know that these heat sheilds and blankets reduce underhood temps.

What explains ALL the CRACKED oem 1g and 2g exhaust manifolds that came on our cars, with OEM heatshields? I remember back in the days, you would go and remove your OEM heatshield and what a nicely cracked exhaust manifold you would find underneath

Just saying...

None of mine cracked (granted I started with an Evo manifold). You also have to remember that the heat shield is also a security/safety measure they need to take so people don't go touching hot parts (hence the little hand showing "No touchy" :p). So the manufacturer also has lawsuits/safety in mind.

Now Reza, then you have the same saying if water hits your unprotected manifold when it's piping hot (rainy days). Crackadie-cracklakers This is true for pretty much everyone who runs a vented hood with the vent over the manifold. It depends on your setup, what compromises you're ok to take and if you want something that look nice as a bonus. All mods won't be the cup of tea for everyone. Not saying you're wrong, but something can always be said to counter one argument and then the other. So this thread will last forever

Basically, yes they have a function. Do they compromise other things, also, yes. That's what life always gives you, 1 good, 1 bad, never all good If everything always functioned for one purpose and did it 100%, no one would ever need mechanics/tuners/maintenance/replacement parts.

Yes I get your point I just wanted to point out the cracked and warped OEM manifolds on every DSM out there with an OEM heat shield(in case anyone wants to bring up the heat shield argument), thats all. Any person who has been into DSM's long enough will agree with me. Just something to think about

Do I want the same sh!t happening to my FP manifold? Quite frankly, no. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy the blanket. Just thought I'd point out a few things before everyone jumps on the band wagon. By all means go for it, if that is what your car truly needs In fact Ziggy should do a group buy for you guys who really need this item

I run metal SS ones since they work for the HAFE and EVO manifolds I have. I kept the original bolt-on configuration in my manifold choices for that reason. Not big on covering with blankets/wrap because of the humidity and chemical reactions that happen because of it over time. Afterall, manufacturers look for the cheapest long lasting choice for things (well before...these days..what breaks quicker after warranty) and they chose metal.

I believe the evo3 exhaust manifolds were made with a higher nickel content to prevent cracking. On another note my previous 1g manifolds had cracks, my 2g one if I recall correctly never did, they might be less prone to it??? Heat shields or not, didn't matter in my case.

my 2g mani started cracking on the top near the 3rd runner right in the middle.

+1...my 2g manifold also cracked and this was while the car was un-modded and running a T-25 on 94 octane gas! I've got a 'CAST SS' manifold now to ensure it wont happen again.

My OEM hood is missing the heat reflector shield and my manifold is missing the heat shield, as a result my hood has a plethora of small heat cracks that looks like a cat tried to tenderize my hood's paint.

My 1g came with a cracked 1g manifold. I am going to try the blanket and see how it does with the 2g manifold I have now.

DEI make's a "cut to shape" 3/4inch thick reflective heat pads that stick onto the underside of your hood. I'll try and find the link, there's a name for it just not remembering lol

here it is;

http://www.designengineering.com/ca...rrier/under-hood-thermal-acoustic-lining

That's cool! I think I may go for that cause I don't want the hanging shield I have now.

i'm definitely doing this aswell, maybe we can get the zigster to group buy

LOL, we should just make a list of stuff we need a group by on

looool group buy some lambo's forget dsm's altogether hahaa jk

could never do that

I just put this on the underside of my hood: http://www.designengineering.com/ca...r-tunnel-shield-ii-heat-sound-insulation

Similar but tougher. Had to do it as the underside frame of my carbon fiber hood was getting soft (when hot) from the heat under there.