Re: crank no start!
[Re: Kirk Harding]
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January 22, 2013 12:35 pm UTC
January 22, 2013 12:35 pm UTC
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Bryan Lawrence
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What's your coolant ratio? Is the temperature sensor good? If not that will cause a long start.
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Re: crank no start!
[Re: Kirk Harding]
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January 22, 2013 02:40 pm UTC
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Yeah that sounds like my car when my sensor's wires were bad. Frozen coolant shouldn't stop it from starting but it would definitely make it hard to start, especially if your waterpump can't turn.
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Re: crank no start!
[Re: Johnny Larmond]
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January 22, 2013 06:38 pm UTC
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Just a side note, inorganic objects are not affected by "wind chill". LOL I was going to mention that too! Depending on how fast it might affect your driving though!!
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Re: crank no start!
[Re: Kirk Harding]
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January 22, 2013 07:39 pm UTC
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Ryan Laliberte
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The fuel pumps do not prime when you turn the key on.
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Re: crank no start!
[Re: Kirk Harding]
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January 22, 2013 07:51 pm UTC
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You also won't be able to hear it while you are idling, unless it has been replaced with a noisier one. Pull a spark plug to check spark then smell each of the cylinders after checking spark as the fuel will just be sitting in there.
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Re: crank no start!
[Re: Kirk Harding]
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January 22, 2013 08:37 pm UTC
January 22, 2013 08:37 pm UTC
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Ryan Laliberte
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Jesus...
It started yesterday, but didn't start today right?
How is the battery voltage? Did you know your battery can drop down to as little as 9V when cranking? If you tried cranking it 5 or 6 times, good bet the battery is low on juice.
Try boosting it.
Funny story to go along with this.
A local drifter was drifting at Shannonville when all of a sudden his car lost power, sputtered, kaffed and died. The guys spent 2 hours swapping parts, try this try that.
It ran out of gas.
Stop over thinking it. Chances are the plugs are soaked from all the excess fuel. Pull them out, let them dry, charge the battery and try again.
It was cold out, the ECU dumps fuel like a mother fracker. If your car ran like sh!t when it was warm out, it's going to be a bitch to start when its cold.
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Re: crank no start!
[Re: Kirk Harding]
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January 23, 2013 12:58 am UTC
January 23, 2013 12:58 am UTC
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Ryan Laliberte
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Do not ever throw money at a problem until you diagnose it. Just because one thing worked for one person doesn't mean it will for another.
Case in point:
I was an apprentice at the time, but one mechanic at a shop I worked at had a truck come in with boost problems. He, based on his prior experience, figured the turbo was done. We ordered the turbo and I installed it. The turbo did not fix the problem. After doing diagnostics on the truck, and trying a few things to rule out problems, it turned out to be a clogged muffler.
Experience would tell you that you diagnose and rule out suspicions before throwing money and replacing parts willy nilly to try and fix a problem.
Not saying you are wrong Jay, but before throwing money at it to fix it and replacing sensors that may not need to be replaced, it's best to diagnose (in this case, using an Ohmmeter) the sensor. If the sensor is to blame, then perfect, but if not, you cannot return electronic components once installed, period. You've just wasted $20 on a sensor (depending on brand).
I had the same issue happen to me in Sudbury. I cranked and cranked and nothing. It was -25 outside and my car was stock right to the airbox. It was fracking cold outside, and even after trying to boost it, it would not start. I fouled the plugs from soaking them in fuel. These cars when cold DUMP fuel into the cylinders, almost 20% more than a decently warm start. With a weak battery, old plugs, weak wires, it is EASY to foul plugs in these cars.
The end result was new plugs and a warmer day, it ran like a champ.
My sensor is still factory, and going strong.
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Re: crank no start!
[Re: Kirk Harding]
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January 23, 2013 01:23 am UTC
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Check the wires if they aren't good then fix them, if that doesn't work then I would do the sensor replacement.
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Re: crank no start!
[Re: Kirk Harding]
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January 23, 2013 01:38 am UTC
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I think everyone is missing the point of why spend money trying to diagnose when diagnosing the right problem will save you money. A while back, I thought I had a sticky tstat. I didn't go out and spend the $13 replacing it, I tested it in boiling water and it opened and closed normally. Turned out I had a pin hole in a water line coming off the throttle body. And I had spare hose, so that fix was free. Just another "case in point"...(I like that term, I may steal that )
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Re: crank no start!
[Re: Kirk Harding]
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January 23, 2013 03:27 am UTC
January 23, 2013 03:27 am UTC
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Ryan Laliberte
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No, you will not smell fuel by removing the plug lead. If you can smell fuel by removing the plug lead, you'd also be losing compression.
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