Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Kuttschrutter]
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July 24, 2013 05:07 pm UTC
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Update time! I have the car running on an EVO8 Ecu with Speed Density. Without much issues. Only 2 issues I have right now: -No idle controller makes idle, startup, and pushing in the clutch while driving from a high rpm challennging... -I am simulating the narrowband currently so on a hot start while the wideband is doing its startup, i need to keep my foot on the gas... I will see if my tuner can fix that for me. I got a pretty VC done by brightside to help with the CC pressure:) My intake and underhood temps were rediclious... so some turbo blankets were put on. I took the car to the track for a baseline. Fun being escorted by Bikes I managed a 13.1 at around 17-18psi. I am having a hell of a time shifting, I am sure I could have touched a 12 as it sat with proper shifting. I am going to tear apart the clutch hydraulics to see if there are leaks or stuck air and redo the clutch adjustment. And chilling with another compound turbo dsm after the track I am also told that my large turbo is restricting my exhaust flow for this setup. And may be contributing to my high intake and underhood temps. So I bought an hx-35 with a 12cm2 turbine housing, stepping up from the 9cm2 on there currently. Car is under construction getting that bigger turbo on, waiting on parts. Meth is working and my tuner wants to start raising the boost. Once it is setup to tell the ECU. He was talking about map switching and an electric BCS so he could kill the boost and map switch if the meth is not being fired. (pretty cool) But that is also a work in progress...
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Kuttschrutter]
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August 27, 2013 05:17 pm UTC
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Bryan Lawrence
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Got a picture from the front mike?
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Kuttschrutter]
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August 27, 2013 05:37 pm UTC
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Ok, just curious.
I think my next tires will be 235 45 18, how do you find the sit on the rim, do they poke out a lot?
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Kuttschrutter]
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August 28, 2013 07:00 pm UTC
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that helps.
I have 18x9 and my 225s stretch a little some I was hoping to get something that didn't
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Kuttschrutter]
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August 28, 2013 08:11 pm UTC
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Yeah I think anything lower than what I have now would definitely be there, I find this is ok.
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Kuttschrutter]
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February 02, 2014 01:27 am UTC
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Been a little while. Here is a little update for those with the winter blues.. My trans was super notchy at the end of last season, was really hurting my times. So I decided to start looking for something. I found an evo 1 trans that seemed to have been ran with the wrong drive. The Centre diff was binding when I took it apart. I got it for a good deal so I am happy that I have the gear sets to work with. So I was on the hunt for a new centre diff. I found a steal of a deal and this ended up in my hands the other day. One question I have for the tranny guys. Can I use a 1990's pinion gear and stubby gear. To convert to the usdm final drive? Or do I need to stick to the 91+??
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Degli Angeli]
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February 03, 2014 02:24 am UTC
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Strokers can be hard on these trans; ask Paul Sitarski what bountiful torque has done to his Ya i am worried about the 2.4's low end torque coupled with the compound turbos... My tuner was saying he was having to edit cells he has never touched before that my car was hitting. Will you be going onto the road course with this car? A 4 spider is stronger than a quaife. I want a quaife centre also. I'm thinking of buying on and getting it shotpeened and cryogenically treated to fight against the fracturing. I hope to do road course with the car. I want it mostly for cruising around, and being able to jump onto a road course or drag strip with little to no changes.. I was actually thinking of getting the unit shot peened and cryo'd. But worried it will void the warranty if it has any. I will have to look into it and see who does that around here..
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Kuttschrutter]
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February 03, 2014 11:37 pm UTC
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For a trained hand like mines, I would be able to tell that they don't mesh smoothly. I can almost tell from the pics that the pitch on the Quaife is 91+. They will mesh however and you will be able to bolt it all up in the trans, but it won't spin smoothly. Once bolted all together, spin the trans over with some good force and you will crack all the teeth on the center and intermediate shaft.
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Re: Cleanawd project
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February 03, 2014 11:58 pm UTC
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Mike, it's a mixed year and it's quite possible you have an evo1 with 91+ intermediate shaft. If the center diff in the middle in the above pic is the one that came out of the evo1 trans then it looks like 91+ as I can see a notch in the teeth. Take a closer pic of the center diff and intermediate shaft out of the evo1 trans and I can confirm.
FWIW I have an evo1 gearset sitting in my garage right now and it is all 90 style.
Also, you got steel forks there in the evo1 trans which you would want to use, and in case you did not know it also has the tall 5th gear, same ratio as the evo3 5th.
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Kuttschrutter]
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February 04, 2014 12:09 am UTC
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ok thanks I'll grab more pics. I do notice on the 90's centre, the tops of the teeth are almost squared off on the top where the quaife and the evo unit have more of a point. If i do recall, I did read about being a split in the evo1's. One had double syncro second? and the other did not... correct me if I am wrong. I threw a magnet to the forks and they are steel. And the longer 5th is the reason I picked this trans up everything else is just bonus.
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Re: Cleanawd project
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February 04, 2014 04:26 pm UTC
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Off the top of my head the 2nd gear is like 0.5% taller and double syncro. 3rd and 4th gear are the same close ratio as the evoIII 3rd and 4th gear, except that the evo1 gears are only single syncro.
If you plan on using that gearset, it would be nice to freshen it up and toss in new syncros on all the gears. Syncros are fairly cheap. I owe you a favor so if you decide to do this, bring me both shafts and some new syncros and I can install them for you in less than an hour.
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Degli Angeli]
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February 04, 2014 07:51 pm UTC
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Wouldn't you want to put a DSM 2nd gear on it so that it becomes a close ratio gear box?
I also like the idea of running a EVO final drive for acceleration. Especially if you plan to rev higher to hold a gear longer on the track. Hard part would be finding an EVO rear ring and pinion. You can't match a DSM 2nd gear to an Evo1 input shaft. If you want to do this you will lose the evo1 1st gear as well. The evo1 1st and 2nd gear match the evo1 input shaft. Since the evo1 2nd gear is 0.5% taller, you won't even notice the difference between this and a DSM 2nd gear. If the car was an evo it would make sense to change the final drive, but since we have the leisure of changing the gear ratios without changing the final drive, it's pointless. Both the evo3 3rd and 4th gear and USDM spec 3rd and 4th gear drop right into the trans to match the 91+ center diff without making any other changes.
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Kuttschrutter]
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February 04, 2014 09:11 pm UTC
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Mike, If you want to do it across the board, then sure go through the trouble. With DSM's we can change a single gear ratio instead of the whole final drive in order to achieve what your trying to think about. Have you even driven a DSM with an evo 3 gearset, and you want to go shorter??? Oh yes right, I forgot you haven't driven a DSM in what, over 10 years! No wonder your thinking about going shorter than an evo3 gearset. I'm at work too, but I figured this out and already did the math a long long time ago DSM transmission crap is worthless and obsolete inventory now. Your trying to think something that Shep, TRE, or Jacks would have offered a decade ago, if we did not have such things as evo3 gearsets, and 91+ intermediate shafts which make it easier to change a single gear ratio instead of the complete final drive. With my Evo X, there is no option to change a single gear ratio, so If I wanted taller or shorter gears, then yes I could easily swap the complete final drive. Although you can, you do not need to do this with a DSM trans.
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Re: Cleanawd project
[Re: Mike Degli Angeli]
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February 04, 2014 09:27 pm UTC
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Ok you really haven't driven a DSM for a long time. Guys go taller than the USDM 1st gear by going to evo3, and here you are wanting to go shorter. Bring your tranny by, I'll drop in a 64 tooth evo3 final drive for you, then I'll use your DSM 1st gear, change your rear diff to an evo ring and pinion, and I'll guarantee you'll have a pretty retarded ratio trans for your DSM Your wanting to go shorter ratio whereas guys complain that the regular DSM 1st and 2nd gear already go by too quick. I could just picture your DSM pulling through an intersection and your already in 4th gear Sounds like a truck to me!
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