Exactly.

Eh Johnny,
Yea my friend I'm located pretty much as far south as you can get... I'm just off my myers Rd. If you know monsignor doyle catholic school I can basically take out a window from my front lawn.

What brings you to Cambridge??

Used to go to that high school actually, about 9 years ago. Wow....

What no log?

Can anyone recommend a testing place whom is a bit "leniant" on our cars.
I'm hoping to have my 90 tested under hot rod status for the extra allowance you are given on the readings. The engine is completely rebuilt but I don't think that technically qualifies as replaced (as per clean air terminology for that).

Any suggestions from anyone else with built motors?

Thanks

Hot rod status only counts for displacement changes.

As far as I know hotrod status is a vehicle with a different engine then the manufacturer offered.. ie a B18c5 in a civic. But you also have to get a letter from a dealship stating this.

Do you have Link? Cause there are guys on this board that have passed a 2 speed idle test with no cat. I am going to try a catless etest for the first time this spring.

If you have Link post up a log of idle and 2500 rpm lets see how the girl runs

I Have AEM and wasn't able to pass last time I tried.
Thanks for the clarification on "hot rod status".

I remember trying to understand Jeremy G aem ems..... to much learning for me.

But if you have a good grasp on closed loop, a/f's and where your idle air values should be ( and i don't mean you make 400hp at 6500rpm and throw raw fuel out the tailpipe at idle) you should be able to tune it out.

Do you have a copy of your failed test?

I will try and find it

If you have your VIN you can get it online.

Hey guys I just did my emission test with a link. 95 eagle and passed with no problem . The only think that I did was to put new cat in it.

Good luck guys. The hot rod status is not as easy as you think now. You will need to go to the ministry and provide proof and show receipts that you have changed the motor to a bigger displacement one. Who knows what they will put in the system after that in regards to your vehicle.

They have cameras in the e-test bay now that takes pictures of your vehicle and sends it to the ministry. I believe, fail it 3 times and your car is pretty much doomed. First time you fail, you will no longer be able to sell the vehicle. It must pass in order to resell. They will do a visual for a cat and mods. If the car is modified, the e-test place is directed to call the ministry on the spot and report it. Big cams and full exhaust will probably make you fail.

They will still do a snifer tests on the 1g's. Mess with your DSMlink while the e-test is happening and it will fail.

If your car is going to fail, you pretty much need to know a shop that will help you out now.

Good luck!

How is that possible?
You fail the test if the readiness checks are not complete.
Eg, recent battery reset.
Brand new cars were having that issue.

And does that mean you cannot buy a car without an engine or not running?

Thank god, I guess my car is grandfathered into the hotrod category.

My buddy recently had his truck registered as a hotrod under the new rules. He had to fill out registration paper and take picutres and send it in for approval. (S10 with a 350, slammed with rusted body)
And he seemed to get the status changed without hassle.

I will let you guys know in the spring how I make out

You're lucky you got your car grandfathered into the hot rod category. Not like I have tried, but it is not as easy anymore. I know of a few guys who failed instantly while playing around with DSMlink while their 1g's were being tested. Helder took his in for an e-test and they called up the ministry to report the car as modified. Nonetheless we got it to pass the next time around.

I am referring to the 1g, OBDI cars here, not OBDII.

I wish my 2g was a 98 but unfortunately its a 97 so I'll be doing the 2 speed test.

And of course you can always buy a car "AS-IS".

Buy it "AS IS" after it has failed an e-test and you will not be able to put it on the road until you get a safety and e-test from a shop that MTO directs you too. Good luck with that So take your risk if you want to buy as is. In fact it says right on the e-test that you can't resell after it has failed.

If your just racing the car on the track, then I guess you don't need to worry.

If this sh!t is true, I guess it's time to buy a hitch, a car trailer and a pile of track-only mods

Goddamnit! I just want to cruise in my 20yr old car

Nothing has really changed if you have a '97 or older. So I'm not sure what you guys are worrying about. I can see why they wouldn't let you tune on the fly during the test.

The two stage idle test really isn't that hard to pass, just get your problems fixed.

I'm guessing the 2 stage test will go away in the future since less and less shops want to own the expensive sniffer equipment.

I wouldn't jump ship yet Rob.


http://www.ene.gov.on.ca/environment/en/category/drive_clean/STDPROD_098041.html

Here is some info on HOT RODS.

Compared to the original sniffer test, a lot has changed. The ministry demands a large number of pictures to be taken during the procedure, and has live access to a camera at the testing station (though they won't necessarily use it). Tuning on the fly is probably out of the question, unless you're friends with the shop.

Sniffer tests are pretty easy to get through though, so I agree with "fix your problems". A conditional pass can give you some extra time to do so.

Well I am FWD so it's not as easy for me.
I did plan to get emissions ready for this season, but the new cameras on the mods thing does not excite me the right way!
We shall see........

FWD/AWD all the same test these days. NO rollers for anything anymore.

When did this whole live camera become a thing?

Sounds like it's time to move up north.

I believe it was when they "upgraded" to the new system.

I only found out about it last May when I was trying to get my Talon through.

Worst comes to worst, all you'd need is a stock exhaust with a couple cats welded in place, right?

It depends on what the issue is, but yes one of the common "quick fixes" to get a car through an etest is to weld in multiple cats for the test.

I'm more worried about how thorough they are with the visual inspections. It seems like there will be less and less shops with the rollers and they are probably more and more strict. I could very well get it to pass the sniffer with only exhaust work and a functioning EGR, however the motor is clearly far from stock and there are other emissions components missing.

The LIVE camera is a web cam. Only active when they sign on. The other camera is digital hand held. Used to take pics of the rear vehicle the vin placard and dash. Unfortunately I only do ODB2 test. We never got the sniffer with the new machine.

No one uses rollers anymore. Period. Your EGR doesnt even have to work. If by chance they even look.

Hmmmm OK so a two stage for me then? That helps. Need to apply some camo.

2 speed for everyone 97 and down. Aslong as your Idle is under 1250 rpm. And if they bend down to see if you have a cat. And it doesnt poor smoke out the tailtipe. They should test it.

I remember back when I was trying to get the 2.4 to pass. The guy put the machine in some test mode so it displayed the readings... and let me play on my laptop while he went and worked on other cars.

Sigh... the good ol days

Yeah that was repair tech diagnostic screen so we could see if what we fixed actually did anything. Also for testing pre-cat gases.

when I Got my 97 tested last year..

They drove it in.. stuck the sniffer in the tail pipe. Took some pics of the door panel, the plate,. and the dash Vin. Tested the gas cap..

Ran the test at idle.. then ran the test at 2000 rpms. Never opened the hood, never looked under the car.

Passed flying colours! High performance cat, 3 inch exhaust, Wideband running narrowband simulation.. dsmlink v3 fully active with SD.. AND running the thresholds in tuning mode!

They said they dont look under the car cause if it dosent have a cat then it will probably not pass anyway. And Said they dont car whats under the hood. If there is a differant motor then what came with originally, then it will either run cleaner then the original.... and be fine! Or it will run worse and fail.


Took My 04 GMC Envoy in.

First I asked him if a engine light on for a bad thermostat will fail the test. He said yes! definatly! Any light on the dash will most likely fail it.

I had to replace the thermostat, and then clear the code, and drive around for a day or 2 to re activate all the readyness signals, or whatever they are!

Then He plugged the truck in to the computer.. took some pics and it passed.

How did they attach the tac pick up with your hood closed?

they laid something on the hood. I always thought it was a sniffer or a noise meter or something.. But I asked and he said it measured rpms! Got me how it worked!

Interesting! The old school test you used to have to attach it like a timing light. I still wish my manager would of got the 2 speed attachment for our tester, but we dont test anything from the 90's anyways.

this test was done at apple autoglass in Helleville.

For two speed there's an inductive clamp, cig lighter adaptor and calbles to hook to your battery for the tach. I need to run my 1g but ill be doing the test myself so I'm hoping for a pass. 280 cams and a shitty cat...