I'm gauging interest in possibly doing a group buy to Jacks for EVOIII taller 5th gears.
I do not know whether or not there will be a discount, but at the very least we can combine the shipping on this item.
The EvoIII 5th gear is 10% taller, which results in a higher overall top speed, but more importantly for us DDs and cruisers, a lower cruising RPM. Lower cruising RPM = less gas = longer cruise

The gears are currently listed at $230/set
http://www.jackstransmissions.com/collections/trans-parts/products/evoiii-5th-gear

More information can be found here.
http://www.jackstransmissions.com/collections/trans-parts/products/evoiii-5th-gear

The install is incredibly easy as the tranny doesn't even have to leave the vehicle. Pull the end cover off, slap on the gears, and away you go. (yes, it's obviously more involved then that, but the point is, the tranny can stay in the car.)

Keep us updated on this, I will more than likely be joining you on this.

Same gearing from 1g and 2g right? I may be interested in this for both of mine. When do you expect to buy them?

The gear is compatible with all FWD and AWD trannies for 90-99 DSM/EVOs. Direct swap!

Sounds interesting, but I'd need to get my bitch running first.

The cost is reasonable.

Count me in 100% Johnny.

If we can get some discount i am interested

Did Jack get back to you on a group buy price? I've been running the tall 5th for a few years now. The lower rpm is nice for long cruises

Make a list.

Let's get this started now. I need sh!t to do this upcoming off season.

1. Johnny Larmond
2. Guillaume Berton
3. Alex Ak
4. Mike Eng
5. Terry S ???
6. Bryan L ???

1. Johnny Larmond
2. Guillaume Berton (possibly 2x if we can get some sort of discount)
3. Alex Ak
4. Mike Eng
5. Terry S ???
6. Bryan L ???

1. Johnny Larmond
2. Guillaume Berton (possibly 2x if we can get some sort of discount)
3. Alex Ak
4. Mike Eng
5. Terry S ???
6. Bryan L ???
7. Salomon (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)

1. Johnny Larmond
2. Guillaume Berton (possibly 2x if we can get some sort of discount)
3. Alex Ak
4. Mike Eng
5. Terry S ???
6. Bryan L (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
7. Salomon (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)

1. Johnny Larmond
2. Guillaume Berton (possibly 2x if we can get some sort of discount)
3. Alex Ak
4. Mike Eng
5. Terry S (All about the benjamins)
6. Bryan L (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
7. Salomon (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)

1. Johnny Larmond x2. (have 2 cars, can't pick favorites . )
2. Guillaume Berton (possibly 2x if we can get some sort of discount)
3. Alex Ak
4. Mike Eng
5. Terry S (All about the benjamins)
6. Bryan L (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
7. Salomon (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)

1. Johnny Larmond x2. (have 2 cars, can't pick favorites . )
2. Guillaume Berton (possibly 2x if we can get some sort of discount)
3. Alex Ak
4. Mike Eng
5. Terry S (All about the benjamins)
6. Bryan L (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
7. Salomon (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
8. Henri Masse (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)

1. Johnny Larmond x2. (have 2 cars, can't pick favorites . )
2. Guillaume Berton (possibly 2x if we can get some sort of discount)
3. Alex Ak
4. Mike Eng
5. Terry S (All about the benjamins)
6. Bryan L (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
7. Salomon (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
8. Henri Masse (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
9. Nick Gallo (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)

If this does fit the fwd tranny, not sure they'll benefit much as they already have a taller 5th gear vs awd. If your fwd probably not worth the cost, might be something like 100 rpms difference (its been a long time since I was fwd)

I have the evoIII in my TRE tranny as well. I'm right around 3K @ 120kph. Think its around 400rpm this drops vs stock awd gear.

Cool Daren. Thanks for the info!

1. Johnny Larmond x2. (have 2 cars, can't pick favorites . )
2. Guillaume Berton (possibly 2x if we can get some sort of discount)
3. Alex Ak
4. Mike Eng
5. Terry S (All about the benjamins)
6. Bryan L (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
7. Salomon (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
8. Henri Masse (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
9. Nick Gallo (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
10. Jamie Valcamp

1. Johnny Larmond x2. (have 2 cars, can't pick favorites . )
2. Guillaume Berton (possibly 2x if we can get some sort of discount)
3. Alex Ak
4. Mike Eng
5. Terry S (All about the benjamins)
6. Bryan L (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
7. Henri Masse (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
8. Nick Gallo (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
9. Jamie Valcamp

Gotta pass on this now that I'm getting that TRE Taller 5th, unless we end up getting some ridiculous pricing, but still 90% likely out.

Makes me wonder whether or not we can get someone to make those gears..... Hmmmmmmmm 10% is great, 25% is a LOT (I know my oil pressure is pretty low at 2000rpm), but 20% would be minty fresh.

You're gonna want something that doesn't require taking apart the transmission for installation, ideally, the TRE gear does.

That being said, getting gears made isn't hard, it's just not necessarily cheap, either.

Exactly. I'll do a little research and see what I can come up with. I'm still interested in the evo gearset. Haven't heard back yet. I'll try again on Monday.

I have the Evo III 5th and I accomplished 8L/100km from Saskatoon to Calgary with plenty of 170ish passes and a typical cruising speed of 117kph, without cruise control, and about 400lb in the car that I typically don't have.

So, pretend I would have had 10L/100km with the stock gear, 1200km both ways - it would have been an extra 24L @ 1.31 - $31.44 savings in that single trip.

This gear is a really good investment if you ever use fifth on a regular basis, it will simply pay for itself.

I'm sold

1. Johnny Larmond x2. (have 2 cars, can't pick favorites . )
2. Guillaume Berton (possibly 2x if we can get some sort of discount)
3. Alex Ak
4. Mike Eng
5. Terry S (All about the benjamins)
6. Bryan L (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
7. Henri Masse (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
8. Nick Gallo (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
9. Jamie Valcamp
10.Pedro Suarez (Depending on what the final price comes to and when, but probably)

I'll be trying to get in contact with someone again tomorrow to discuss possible price drops for a group buy.
Will report back with results.

Thanks for the leg work Johnny

Would be nice to be able to criuse down the 401 faster then 120kms/h without the motor screaming!

1. Johnny Larmond x2. (have 2 cars, can't pick favorites . )
2. Guillaume Berton (possibly 2x if we can get some sort of discount)
3. Alex Ak
4. Mike Eng
5. Terry S (All about the benjamins)
6. Bryan L (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
7. Henri Masse (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
8. Nick Gallo (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
9. Jamie Valcamp
10.Pedro Suarez (Depending on what the final price comes to and when, but probably)
11.Mike Kuttz- lets see the $$

cruise in neutral man

Who in the hell is that?

Won't be going very far in neutral.

stoned kid

He looks like a dumbass lol

LMFAO wtf was the point of that

Johnny any new updates on this?

Also congrats on the commercial license!

To be honest.... I COMPLETELY forgot!!! My bad everyone! Got caught up in all the other stuff swirling around. I'll try and touch base right now!

Just heard back!

On orders of 10+, the gears at 205USD/set. (savings of $25 with the sale price) They're currently on backorder, so once the order is places, it could take a couple weeks to full.

Lets restart the list and put a ye or ne to your names if you're ok with that price.

In.

Anything on first gears?

Never asked First gear will require a whole rebuild, but the 5th is a simple case of pulling the cover off and swapping out the gears with everything installed except for the passenger side wheel and the splash guard I don't think you even have to drain the fluid! (might be wrong on the fluid part...)

You don't...but be prepared for it to all come rushing out when you take off that end cover. If tranny fluid showers are your thing, then definitely don't drain it

LOL I was going to say!

Johnny how about you setup a deadline for this, I need to do a passthrough on the finances but I should be good.

Someone say something about showering with trannies?

Oh... transmissions...

Carry on..

Definately drain the gear oil before taking the cover off Also sometimes the 5th intermediate gear slides right off, sometimes a little prying gets it off, worst case scenario you will need a gear puller.

thanks for that note reza, I will need to make sure I have one on deck for when the swap comes.

1. Johnny Larmond x2. (have 2 cars, can't pick favorites . )
2. Guillaume Berton x2 but I'll need help installing it
3. Alex Ak
4. Mike Eng
5. Terry S (All about the benjamins)
6. Bryan L (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
7. Henri Masse (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
8. Nick Gallo (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably)
9. Jamie Valcamp
10.Pedro Suarez (Depending on what the final price comes to and when, but probably)
11.Mike Kuttz- lets see the $$

Sorry guys I may be out of the list....I will confirm on Saturday

I just bought a Jacks 2.2 S-HD and they said the Evo III 5th was on backorder and they couldn't tell me when it would arrive so I opted for the standard gear because I want my new TRANNY!

So if this GB is a go I am in!

Still no word on final price? I'd be interested if it was like 200 flat shipped. Not that my car will be seeing 5th gear very much soon though. Lol

I have an evo3 1st and love it btw. You would have boost for a long time with a smaller turbo in 1st.

10 units would be 100us shipped up here. So the finally price for 10 units would be 215USD each.

MIND YOU, this would be to my address in Richmond hill which is pretty central I think, at least for Ontario.

Which isn't all that bad in price considering the savings on fuel later on.

So who's in? I want this thing to get going so we can have a for-sure order made and have these shipped as there will be some wait on them getting from the backorder process.

1. Johnny Larmond x2. (have 2 cars, can't pick favorites . )
2. Guillaume Berton x2 but I'll need help installing it
3. Alex Ak ????
4. Mike Eng ????
5. Terry S (All about the benjamins) ????
6. Bryan L (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably) ????
7. Henri Masse (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably) ????
8. Nick Gallo (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably) ????
9. Jamie Valcamp ????
10.Pedro Suarez (Depending on what the final price comes to and when, but probably) ????
11.Mike Kuttz- lets see the $$ ????

Just erase the ???? so we know you're in for sure as the price is now a certainty.

1. Johnny Larmond x2. (have 2 cars, can't pick favorites . )
2. Guillaume Berton x2 but I'll need help installing it
3. Alex Ak ????
4. Mike Eng ????
5. Terry S (All about the benjamins) ????
6. Bryan L (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably) ????
7. Henri Masse (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably) ????
8. Nick Gallo (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably) ????
9. Jamie Valcamp ????
10.Pedro Suarez (Depending on what the final price comes to and when, but probably) ????
11.Mike Kuttz- lets see the $$ ????
12.Greg Kelly

1. Johnny Larmond x2. (have 2 cars, can't pick favorites . )
2. Guillaume Berton x2 but I'll need help installing it
3. Alex Ak ????
4. Mike Eng ????
5. Terry S
6. Bryan L (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably) ????
7. Henri Masse (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably) ????
8. Nick Gallo (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably) ????
9. Jamie Valcamp ????
10.Pedro Suarez (Depending on what the final price comes to and when, but probably) ????
11.Mike Kuttz- lets see the $$ ????
12.Greg Kelly

Anyway to guarantee there will not be duty fees?

+1, duty fees scare the sh!t out of me, can't RTM help us with logistics?

I highly doubt there is any way to guarantee. RTM has to charge tax for their items opposed to getting them right from the us seller where there is a chance of not having to pay tax.
Correct me if I'm wrong here....

Duty is just part of buying from the States. Nothing new here.

This might be a dumb question...has anyone got the part number and called a local dealer to see if they can get them? Back in the day we used to order JDM type R cams right from Honda canada.

Yeah that's a good call Stephen, I am going to call monday.

Part number is MR581018 and MR581020/mn107624
Don't quote me on the part numbers, the ASA diagrams are not easy to read, but I am pretty sure these are the ones. the first is output, the second is input (said it could be either)
I was looking at 2001 year, so if that's wrong let me know.

Just saying, because we did a group buy on shirts at work. And each order was an extra 7$. Would hate to see the extra costs on the gears if there are any duties... the penny pinchers here may loose their sh!t...

I just looked up those part numbers, and I can't BUY them for anywhere near that price, so you would pay a LOT more through a Canadian dealership. If your supplier is willing to ship by USPS, that is the way to go.

Are those the correct part numbers? I my still know a guy up at mitsu here.

Let me know if you can find a better price. I doubt it seeing as they wanted to charge me $40 for a key.......
I'm all for cheaper tough! Lt me know what you can find. I can't imagine the package will weigh all that much.
I'll ask how they ship. FedEx or USPS and I'm all happy

I'm out, decided not to winter drive my car and could use that money to put into my winter beater. Sorry guys!

1. Johnny Larmond x2. (have 2 cars, can't pick favorites . )
2. Guillaume Berton x2 but I'll need help installing it
3. Alex Ak ????
4. Mike Eng ????
5. Terry S
6. Bryan L (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably) ????
7. Henri Masse (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably) ????
8. Jamie Valcamp ????
9.Pedro Suarez (Depending on what the final price comes to and when, but probably) ????
10.Mike Kuttz- lets see the $$ ????
11.Greg Kelly

1. Johnny Larmond x2. (have 2 cars, can't pick favorites . )
2. Guillaume Berton x2 but I'll need help installing it
3. Alex Ak ????
4. Mike Eng ????
5. Terry S
6. Bryan L (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably) ????
7. Henri Masse (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably) ????
8. Jamie Valcamp ????
9.Pedro Suarez (Depending on what the final price comes to and when, but probably) ????
10.Mike Kuttz- lets see the $$ ????
11.Greg Kelly

I'm IN already

Seeing as we're on this subject anyway, how much do evo 3 trannies go for?

EDIT: Nevermind. They're expensive. Better to get the guts from somewhere and do your own frankenstein I think.

Looks like I may have been wrong, here are the ones I found from searching.

input shaft gear - MD743980
intermediate shaft gear - MD743319

Some guy names twicks69 keep coming up, from what I read he has an account with Mitsubishi Japan, but usually keeps a good amount of stock. If he does order stuff it takes a while because it comes on a boat.

From what I am reading Jack's looks like the way to go, some of the prices I have seen in the past 3 years (from posts) are north of $300 for the 2 gears. Tashko on this board used to get the set for $370

Those numbers don't seem to come up as valid North American numbers, they PROBABLY have to come from Mitsu in Japan. I could POSSIBLY get them, but would take forever by boat as you mentioned.

Now imagine your doing a full rebuild with new gears, hubs/sliders, bearings and syncros. Yup, tranny parts and PROPER rebuilds are not cheap!

Too bad there is no one on THIS side of the border doing rebuilds for those few serious guys who ARE willing to pay the money...

Unfortunately I just don't have the time to build trannies anymore so anyone wanting one will need to look elsewhere or ship to the US.

I'm sure the SERIOUS guys don't mind shipping to the 2-3 big DSM tranny builders in the US, so they still have that option if needed. You could also still find a trans from a JDM distributor for $400-$500 bucks if needed.

There are a few guys on this board who can build transmissions too, however they'll need to chime in for themselves

twicks69 on tuners is Tim Zimmer, or www.tmzperformance.com

input shaft gear - MD743980
intermediate shaft gear - MD743319


So these are the JDM part #?????
What are the American ones????

I will see if I can get the JDM.

There probably IS no US part number, since the EVO 3 was not sold in the US.

Gotcha! I will try those numbers.

I'm in at about $2500 for my Jack's rebuild with HD gearset, considering the parts and labor, I find it was a fair price. I am happy with the results though, it shifts like no other tranny I've even driven, well worth the cost to ship it to Jacks.

We should all be glad we're not looking at $6k+ for a stock GT-R rebuild!

Ok, this is the list I have of yet.
1. Johnny Larmond x2. (have 2 cars, can't pick favorites . )
2. Guillaume Berton x2 but I'll need help installing it
3. Alex Ak ????
4. Mike Eng ????
5. Terry S
6. Bryan L (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably) ????
7. Henri Masse (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably) ????
8. Jamie Valcamp ????
9.Pedro Suarez (Depending on what the final price comes to and when, but probably) ????
10.Mike Kuttz- lets see the $$ ????
11.Greg Kelly


If you have a question mark, please decide whether or not you want to participate in this group buy. I'd like to place the order very early into November.

Take Mike's question marks out, he's "in" as well.

PS I take it we wire you the money before we get the parts right? Just need to know so I don't spend everything and keep enough on the side for that time.

1. Johnny Larmond x2. (have 2 cars, can't pick favorites . )
2. Guillaume Berton x2 but I'll need help installing it
3. Alex Ak ????
4. Mike Eng ????
5. Terry S
6. Bryan L (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably) ????
7. Henri Masse (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably) ????
8. Jamie Valcamp
9.Pedro Suarez (Depending on what the final price comes to and when, but probably) ????
10.Mike Kuttz- lets see the $$ ????
11.Greg Kelly

Just saw that Jacks has them on sale for $230 a set.

1. Johnny Larmond x2. (have 2 cars, can't pick favorites . )
2. Guillaume Berton x2 but I'll need help installing it
3. Alex Ak ????
4. Mike Eng ????
5. Terry S
6. Bryan L (Depending on what the final price comes to, but probably) ????
7. Henri Masse
8. Jamie Valcamp
9.Pedro Suarez (Depending on what the final price comes to and when, but probably) ????
10.Mike Kuttz- lets see the $$ ????
11.Greg Kelly

I am out guys...

1. Johnny Larmond x2. (have 2 cars, can't pick favorites . )
2. Guillaume Berton x2 but I'll need help installing it
3. Alex Ak ????
4. Mike Eng ????
5. Terry S
6. Bryan L
7. Henri Masse
8. Jamie Valcamp
9.Pedro Suarez (Depending on what the final price comes to and when, but probably) ????
10.Mike Kuttz- lets see the $$ ????
11.Greg Kelly

I will reconsider if my set can be shipped to address in US

I don't see why not. Maybe I'll bring it with me when I head out west

I get your money before I order your part. I don't have 2300 just kicking around to make a giant clock with in case someone backs out

When I get a finalized list, I'll put up the total shipped price before Duty/tax. You'll have to pay your share of that before you get your gearz.

Figured as much (monopoly money works right? ), just wanted to make sure and at the same instance make sure everyone knows.

What's the final price and when do you need the money by?

For 10+ units, 215USD each, shipped

So the deadline for the list is the end of the month?

Yes! just in time for winter projects.

I typically use www.xe.com to determine the dollar value difference from CDN to USD. But in this case, I would suggest getting the TOTAL AMOUNT from them and letting us know so we don't end up short...or high.

LOL maybe for you guys, I do most of my work during the summer, only maintenance and necessities get handled in the winter.
My driving season starts when all of yours ends!

^ haha, I think I'll be in the same boat as you with the 1g.

Pfft! Who are you calling "you guys"?! 3 winters and going strong in my GSX
But regardless, I can't see this install taking more then an afternoon which will include the lost lives of many brave beers.

Whos the $ going to. I might want in

GAME PLAN


I'll be taking the money, but not yet. I'm giving until the end of the month to finalize the list, and then all participating parties will have from November 1st until the 10th to send me their portion which will be determined at that time. The order WILL be placed on November 11th, no exceptions.

I will be notifying everyone via PM who are taking part on the first of the final amount due before duty+tax (if any)
Upon receiving the package, I will notify everyone of the balance outstanding/set. Balance due will have to be paid before you get your gears.
If you want it shipped to you, it will be additional as the package will be coming to me in Richmond Hill (Pretty central I imagine)

All of you with job have 2 more paycheques at least to save ~230. And for those of you without, stop being a hippie!

Put it under your mattress, put it in your sock drawer, I don't care. Save up because you don't want miss the boat!

Just a thought, we may want consider adding in the two large shaft nuts for each order. Or at least as an option.
Always good practice to replace these guys.

Not a problem. I'll get a price for those and if you want them, by all means.

Forgot that you year round the GSX, the winter project comment through me off! Yeah that doesn't sound too bad, just worried about potential hicups. Now that I have a spare tranny debating on whether I should swap it.