Re: FMIC on stock T25
[Re: Manny Sandhu]
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September 24, 2013 09:04 pm UTC
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No can of worms. Just dsmlink, wideband, boost gauge, fuel pump + rewire, exhaust, plugs + wires, injectors and you're golden.
I've beat as hard as I can on my stock block 7 bolt all summer long with an hx35.
Also, if you haven't yet, setup your clutch so that you don't need to push it in to start your car. It will help save your bearings.
If you're on a 5 speed that is.
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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September 24, 2013 09:16 pm UTC
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You make it sound too easy Stephan All kidding aside that will definitely be a mini project I will begin once: a) i get some money b) clutch is replaced (maybe even an awd swap beforehand) Unless Salomon is right? Loving the support and feedback of this forum...you guys rock!
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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Sorry. Those supporting mods are for a 16g and up.
Salomon is right. 14b, easy-peasy.
Once you get the hang of working on these cars, it is easy. Just take your time and do things right.
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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The indestructible alternator never made for our cars came from the Saturn 90amp. Seriously. Most of us are using one and have relocated it using the JAY RACING RELO KIT to the back of the motor, away from the turbo and downpipe (heat). You're going to have a lot of fun learning about your car, if you're a TRUE enthusiast. And by the sounds of it, you are! Glad to see another one of "us" here
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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September 24, 2013 10:34 pm UTC
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Swap to a 14b when you're doing your FMIC if you want to see some gains. Or even before.. it's up to you. It's a factory turbo; there are no supporting mods required. The list that Stephan gave you is a good list to work on over the next while. Most can be done one at a time, when you have the time and money available. Once the list is complete, you're ready to hop into a 16g. Those little things pack a punch; they'll keep you happy for a while. If your alternator goes again, you may want to look into a Saturn alternator. If it was rebuilt well, you probably won't have any issues with it for a while. I wouldn't worry about it. Oh, and you bought a DSM for a reason. You're a long, long ways away from needing to upgrade any engine internals
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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September 24, 2013 10:57 pm UTC
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Dont worry bout the turbo... unless you have a 14b or 16g given to ya for a few bucks. $200 for the 14b and install kit, would be better spent on upgrades and prep for a bigger turbo. You will end up going bigger anyway.
I would grab everything else you will need, like injectors, wideband, tuning devices..fuel pump upgrades... get everything working on the car and learn how to use it..
Then upgrade to any turbo you want. If your not used to 400hp cars.. then grab a td05 size turbo.. more then 450hp is your goal?? then go with a large frame turbo. By then you will know how to tune it.. and the car will be ready.
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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September 25, 2013 03:18 pm UTC
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One of us.... One of us.... One of us..... The type S is a solid unit that should carry you for a while now. Is it recirculated? If not, you should look into doing that. Pool hose from Home Depot works very well as its quite flexible. Ribbed black with a blue stripe. A 14b will be a lot of fun for you if you're just getting into the scene. It will also give you a taste for getting under the hood and turning some wrenches. As already mentioned, you don't need any other mods to support that turbo, but a boost controller might be advisable. No can of worms. Just dsmlink, wideband, boost gauge, fuel pump + rewire, exhaust, plugs + wires, injectors and you're golden.
Just like that eh? . you're looking at 1300$ + for all of that and a solid days work for a seasoned DSMer. But all of those are pretty necessary for anything beyond a 14b/t28. I'd also ad an oil pressure gauge, upgraded clutch, and FIMC. Plus, when you go bigger your rad fans become an issue. Take a peek at the upgrade path on tuners. It should give you a pretty good idea of what you'll require and when. Cheers and welcome! Oneofus...... Oneofus..... Oneofus...... Dammit, can't turn that thing off...
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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September 25, 2013 04:53 pm UTC
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A FMIC is probably one of the most underrated mods on a DSM. Everybody is so focused on getting an exhaust, BOV, intake, etc. If you've ever been in a stock SMIC DSM and then in the exact same car, unchanged other than a nice FMIC, it feels like a completely different car. Not saying it's wise to do on a T25. But I can't be bothered owning such a turbo. However, anything 14B and larger it will be a nice increase. I would fine a small 16G to replace the T25. It's again, a turbo that's often overlooked. It's not as great as the infamous Evo III 16G, but while everybody is searching for one of those, you can get a s16G for not a lot more than a 14B. And it's better overall. Spools just about as quick, but packs a much harder punch. I would do a s16G with the FMIC. Toss a Walbro 255 in the tank and rewire it, and keep it around 15 psi. The car will feel like a monster compared to the way it is now
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
[Re: Manny Sandhu]
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September 25, 2013 05:04 pm UTC
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Lucian, I can't agree with you on that one. After we installed the FMIC and the 16g I barely noticed a difference, maybe if I had done some tuning I would have. The car only became a whole different monster after the 3" exhaust went on. Maybe it was because it had been a few days since I drove it last, but overall the exhaust was the change that turned my car into a monster.
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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Nope, I think I was at 11psi the whole time. or I went from 7 to 11, i don't recall
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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Hm that's pretty impressive, I figured you wouldn't make a huge difference between cat and no cat, at least not noticeable.
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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With all information in this thread, Manny is gonna end up building a sh!t box of a DSM! Take Lucian's advice. A FMIC is the most underrated mod. I just can't see how a FMIC will NOT make a difference. A big 4" Garrett core would compliment any 14b or T25 size hairdryer.... Also, you don't need a bigger rad, and you don't need to relocate your alternator to the back of your motor. It is a true pain in the butt to work on. I have had all my 1g DSM's with no heatshields on the 02 housing and alternators in the OEM location with no problems whatsoever. I must be doing something right if I have ran my alternators in the OEM location since 1997 on several DSM's with no issues. Only time I ever killed one was from accidently shorting it out with a wrench or getting water or fluid splashed into it. Anyways carry on..... time to pull out my popcorn
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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September 25, 2013 05:47 pm UTC
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don't expect to see any hp gains from installing a FMIC with the t-25.
Isn't that what you posted? I'm not talking about his first mods. A few of you guys give bad advice in general. Just my humble opinion I would definately get the biggest baddest FMIC once and never again, even on a T-25 turbo car. He's gonna mod the car, he's gonna upgrade the turbo and FMIC. Might as well do it once, do it right!
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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Well your telling someone not to get a FMIC, when that is probably one of the most important things in making a fast DSM.
I am currently running a 26x12x4" Yonaka FMIC which uses the same core as most of your ebay specials. I am already looking at purchasing a proper ETS or Garrett core, as I realize how much my current FMIC is holding me back. I'll even spend upto $1000 on a proper core as I know how important it is.
Also, removing your catalic converter makes a HUGE difference. It is a bottleneck. I picked up a significant amount of power when I did this years ago on my 14b powered car.
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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I would definitely say that if you are getting a front mount that get something that will be big enough with what you want in the future, but that's coming from someone who isn't a student.
If I was still a student, I would wait to get a FMIC until you have a turbo that will be something you want to stick with. The J-Pipes are not pocket change and will need to be replaced if you ever switch. If you go to a 14b then you can go for it, that way nothing is replaced when the 16g is done.
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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Also, removing your catalic converter makes a HUGE difference. It is a bottleneck. I picked up a significant amount of power when I did this years ago on my 14b powered car. Good to know, I have been thinking about doing this, and because of the way that mine is plumbed in I can just remove the cat and piping, and plumb in straight pipe.
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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September 25, 2013 06:20 pm UTC
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"How much back pressure does a cat create" you ask? A LOT! Period. The straighter and the emptier the routing, the better. No, bigger is not always better, 3" is the butter zone for 95% of dsms out there. If you need bigger, it probably shouldn't be driven on roads and should be shot right out the side of the car. I made a cat insert for my etest last year. The hooks that held it into place broke and it was fired 1/2 way down my exhaust just from the build up of back pressure. Tis was without hitting boost btw... Why did it stop 1/2 way? Because it hit a bend in the pipe. This was the interior of a stock cat, not a high flow. I can't comment on those. After you put a turbo back exhaust on (because there's no point putting a cat back as you're still bottlenecking through the down pipe) you'll notice a massive difference in spool, acceleration, and overall power of the car regardless of turbo. The FIMC will of course increase performance on any turbo once installed just by its size and effect on IATs in comparison to the stock side mount. Perhaps it's not "worth while" as you're still running a t25, unless you plan on sticking with a Garrett style turbo, but still a mod that is necessary. And it looks sexy . Don't forget, with a 225 you're in aftermarket AFPR territory. Or a retired 190 for that matter.
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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September 25, 2013 06:22 pm UTC
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Hm, maybe I will give my cutout a try!
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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I did NOT at anytine tell him not to get a fmic... But He just has the core..and is a student on a budget, why spend a ton of time and too much money trying to get it to work with his t25 when his budget could be better spent on other mods to squeeze out as much power as possible on the t25. I totally agree he should get a proper fmic.... But only when it will make a good amount of difference... Like with a 14b or larger turbo. Agreed, if that is the case he should probably just get a full exhaust and enjoy the T25 as is. Of course get a clutch that holds this power too. Before modding I'd probably do all the safety stuff first, like brakes, tires, ball joints, tie rods, bushings if needed, and an alignment. Make the car drive proper before modding
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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September 25, 2013 07:40 pm UTC
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Before modding I'd probably do all the safety stuff first, like brakes, tires, ball joints, tie rods, bushings if needed, and an alignment. Make the car drive proper before modding Couldn't agree with you more! I took too long to do these and my car did some funny stuff. I still have my tie rods left to do in the front, then some stuff to look at in the back.
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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Before modding I'd probably do all the safety stuff first, like brakes, tires, ball joints, tie rods, bushings if needed, and an alignment. Make the car drive proper before modding x2
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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September 25, 2013 08:16 pm UTC
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For the 14b, all you need is the turbo and the 1g oil feed line from the head 1g drain line(2g will work too with a slight mod) and your coolant lines off the T-25. Also a manual boost controller so you don't boost too much and hit fuel cut.
If your motor is somewhat healthy, it'll be just fine. I'm stock 7 bolt block on an FP Red running 11's @ 115+ The boost controller will only get you into trouble.. not help lower boost. Infact get the fmic, and all the sapporting mods, and a boost controller.. run that t25 to 17psi or whatever and tune it..learn the art of water injection! It will actually raise the affeciancy of the tiny compressor! Then once its not enough.. and it wont be, Ricers will still eat you alive.. Then upgrade the turbo to a much larger turbo. biggest turbo you can afford. Unlike 10 years ago.. the biggest turbos you can fit on our cars spool really fast. And some can be had for the same price as evo16gs. If yer gonna spend the cash on all the supporting mods.. injectors...fuel management.. exaust.. cooling..etc..etc..etc.. well your gonna spend alot of money on your car.. dont spend all that money and then waste it on a small td05 turbo. If you dont want.. or cant.. spend alot of money on your car. Then grab a 14b, safc, and do all the free mods you can. It will get you close to 300hp.
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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September 26, 2013 12:39 pm UTC
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he probably had it hooked up backwards. i accidently did that when I was messing around and my boost was all over the place, some days consistent, some days not.
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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With all information in this thread, Manny is gonna end up building a sh!t box of a DSM! Take Lucian's advice. A FMIC is the most underrated mod. I just can't see how a FMIC will NOT make a difference. A big 4" Garrett core would compliment any 14b or T25 size hairdryer.... Also, you don't need a bigger rad, and you don't need to relocate your alternator to the back of your motor. It is a true pain in the butt to work on. I have had all my 1g DSM's with no heatshields on the 02 housing and alternators in the OEM location with no problems whatsoever. I must be doing something right if I have ran my alternators in the OEM location since 1997 on several DSM's with no issues. Only time I ever killed one was from accidently shorting it out with a wrench or getting water or fluid splashed into it. Anyways carry on..... time to pull out my popcorn Glad to know you think I give bad advice Reza. Choke on your popcorn
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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September 26, 2013 10:53 pm UTC
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Manny no need to upgrade to a Saturn Alt just cause this guy gets boners over them. Do a little research on your own If this guy can't get an OEM alternator going on his car, he's doing something wrong. If you got frustrated installing an OEM alt in the stock location, relocating to the back of the engine would probably be the last thing you want to do. I've seen people do this, what a pain in the butt it is once it gets fucked up again, lol. Guys like me have been on a stock OEM alt for years, WITH NO ISSUES AT ALL No need to fix something that's not broke. Just trying to help you out here Manny, not telling you useless sh!t to do, just cause I feel like posting something
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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September 26, 2013 11:32 pm UTC
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Manny no need to upgrade to a Saturn Alt just cause this guy gets boners over them. Do a little research on your own If this guy can't get an OEM alternator going on his car, he's doing something wrong. If you got frustrated installing an OEM alt in the stock location, relocating to the back of the engine would probably be the last thing you want to do. I've seen people do this, what a pain in the butt it is once it gets fucked up again, lol. Guys like me have been on a stock OEM alt for years, WITH NO ISSUES AT ALL No need to fix something that's not broke. Just trying to help you out here Manny, not telling you useless sh!t to do, just cause I feel like posting something Well, you're officially an asshole in my books.
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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September 27, 2013 12:23 am UTC
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Same here, stock location stock alt and no heat shields. Have even had some power steering fluid dripped all over it and she is still good.
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
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Mike and Reza: Dont make me come over there and make you two hug And to all i've made a few threads in the short time i have been part of this forum and a majority of them have lead to a lot of new knowledge for me. Majority if not all threads have been started because of the unending list of questions i have as i am new to the dsm world and all the info has been helpful Everyones opinions have contributed towards my questions being answered and i hope it continues this way...that being said no need to dog someone elses opinion we're free to have one and if you dont agree then thats also your opinion At the end of the day im all for maximizing the return for every dollar i invest in anything and that will be my route with my cars upcoming lengthy slow'n'steady build. Mike i believe had suggested a build thread and i will most likely be beginning that (once an income stream has begun) for anyone who wants to follow. Keep up the DSM love peeps!
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
[Re: Manny Sandhu]
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September 27, 2013 01:41 am UTC
September 27, 2013 01:41 am UTC
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Reza Mirza
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I've seen a few of these relocation kits break too. I remember Kevin K having a bitch of a time with his, I think he had to take off his intake manifold or heater hoses just to pull out the alt once, lol. He ended up putting it back in the stock location, along with his PS pump. I'd say your chances of breaking down somewhere and getting stranded are higher with one of these relocation kits. As for the Saturn alt, big woot. I've had 4 DSM's with OEM alternators running perfectly for years. I still haven't found the need to switch over to one. There is no possible way that 50% of DSM's are on saturn alternotrs, lol. Not sure where you are getting these stats from. I'm not lucky just cause I have my car running good with no problems and so aren't the other guys running OEM alternators. If your having issues, you would probably want to find a new place that rebuilds your alternators, you must be getting some pretty bad ones or you definately have some bad luck
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
[Re: Jay Stacey]
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September 27, 2013 02:08 am UTC
September 27, 2013 02:08 am UTC
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Reza Mirza
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Yes I do hear of it, but then again 50% or more of DSM's out there are hack jobs. That's a fact! Must be that half Either you have wiring issues in your car, or your rebuilder is not replacing the regulator in your alernator. That is the common issue with these rebuilds. Ever wonder why your OEM one that came with the car lasted the longest? I use OEM rebuilds with the regulators replaced in them. That is probably why I don't have issues.
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
[Re: Manny Sandhu]
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September 27, 2013 04:44 pm UTC
September 27, 2013 04:44 pm UTC
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Ziggy Dietrich
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First of all, let's get it straight....everyone is entitled to MY opinion......
I think the problem with the brackets breaking on the Jay Racing relocate kit are what caused him to start offering steel brackets instead of aluminum. As far as I know, no-one has had one of the steel brackets break.
As for it being a PITA, and whether there are or aren't benefits, I have no opinion, so I will also just grab popcorn.
"bluebird" worlds fastest scooter ridden by me "Whitebird" RIP
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
[Re: Deep Mann]
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September 27, 2013 07:50 pm UTC
September 27, 2013 07:50 pm UTC
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Reza Mirza
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Either you have wiring issues in your car, or your rebuilder is not replacing the regulator in your alernator. That is the common issue with these rebuilds. Ever wonder why your OEM one that came with the car lasted the longest? I use OEM rebuilds with the regulators replaced in them. That is probably why I don't have issues.
Bang on. A lot of these rebuilders in this business are a joke. Thanks for the input Deep. As you guys run a shop you would know this first hand. This alternator myth is busted! As with most things with DSM's, people just like to follow the bandwagon I would however say that if you don't have a good source for rebuilt OEM alternators, then you might as well go for a Saturn one and grind down your front case or block and do whatever it takes to run it! My rebuilder can even make the OEM alternators pump out 120 AMPS as opposed to the 90. My buddies and I were running 120 AMP OEM alternators back in early 2000 with no issues at all. The only reason we ran these was because we would roll around with 2x12's and big amps in our DSM's pounding the streets of T.O. OEM alternators 4eva
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
[Re: Ziggy Dietrich]
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September 27, 2013 08:37 pm UTC
September 27, 2013 08:37 pm UTC
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Jason Drew
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First of all, let's get it straight....everyone is entitled to MY opinion......
I think the problem with the brackets breaking on the Jay Racing relocate kit are what caused him to start offering steel brackets instead of aluminum. As far as I know, no-one has had one of the steel brackets break.
As for it being a PITA, and whether there are or aren't benefits, I have no opinion, so I will also just grab popcorn. One of the two I've seen break was the steel one, I welded it for the guy and is still holding to this day to the best of my knowledge
1997 Eclipse GST - AWD swapped - TPC - GT Spec powered 2023 - 9.63 - 145mph
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
[Re: Reza Mirza]
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September 27, 2013 09:23 pm UTC
September 27, 2013 09:23 pm UTC
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Alex Akachinskiy
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This alternator myth is busted! As with most things with DSM's, people just like to follow the bandwagon I replaced my original alternator at 200k because of that myth. It was still running fine but I replaced just in case with the rebuild unit I got from Napa. I am also another DSMer who run OEM alternators without issues. My battery logs at 13.9 - 14.1 volts at idle and didn't drop when Terry S. stress-test it by turning all my electrical stuff on including cabin fan on high, high beams, stereo, and rear defroster.
1996 Eagle Talon TSi AWD 1999 Eclipse GST Automagic 1991 3000GT VR-4
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
[Re: Manny Sandhu]
#414380
September 27, 2013 09:32 pm UTC
September 27, 2013 09:32 pm UTC
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Mike Eng
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Mike and Reza: Dont make me come over there and make you two hug And to all i've made a few threads in the short time i have been part of this forum and a majority of them have lead to a lot of new knowledge for me. Majority if not all threads have been started because of the unending list of questions i have as i am new to the dsm world and all the info has been helpful Everyones opinions have contributed towards my questions being answered and i hope it continues this way...that being said no need to dog someone elses opinion we're free to have one and if you dont agree then thats also your opinion At the end of the day im all for maximizing the return for every dollar i invest in anything and that will be my route with my cars upcoming lengthy slow'n'steady build. Mike i believe had suggested a build thread and i will most likely be beginning that (once an income stream has begun) for anyone who wants to follow. Keep up the DSM love peeps! Manny, it's nothing really. Just a bashing of one another opinions..the difference is I'll give you FREE advice. Whereas some people here like to charge $1,000 UP FRONT.
'99 GSX GT35R '03 CBR 600RR
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
[Re: Manny Sandhu]
#414385
September 27, 2013 10:13 pm UTC
September 27, 2013 10:13 pm UTC
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Reza Mirza
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I am not getting offended because you are running a Saturn alt. There are a handful of guys in this thread who are still running OEM as they stated. I guess you forgot to read their posts and your the only one having issues. Your taking this to the heart man. Mike get it right, $1500 gets you through my door now, not $1000 CASH only, upfront! Don't like it, take a hike! I don't tune sh!t ass DSM's for free, lol.
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
[Re: Jay Stacey]
#414392
September 27, 2013 11:47 pm UTC
September 27, 2013 11:47 pm UTC
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Reza Mirza
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This is not about winning and losing. I'll I said was you guys are giving bad advice, I didn't mean to come off in a wrong way. We all have our opinions I was just throwing in mines. I didn't mean to touch any feelings. You guys can think I'm a dic or asshole, call me names, but thats fine. Just trying to have a constructive argument with facts. I'll try not to do that with you two next time. I still love you all . Everyone who knows me, knows I don't charge $1500 or $1000 for tuning. You gotta be pretty stupid if your gonna pay me that , and if you really are that stupid I'll be happy to take your money. See I don't take things to heart, lets grab a beer if we ever meet, it'll be on me I wanna see that relocated Saturn Alt
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
[Re: Manny Sandhu]
#414403
September 28, 2013 01:56 am UTC
September 28, 2013 01:56 am UTC
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Stephan Tanchak
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My rebuilt OEM alternator lasted all summer. Some long drives, lots of sitting in traffic.
Its a US alt, so not the best voltage, but with a heat blanket for the turbo and manifold plus a wrapped down pipe and O2 housing and the thing hasn't died yet. Even had coolant spill on it and at one point a screw fell on it and it sparked a lot.
Was just about to pick up a alternator relocation kit too. Good thing this was discussed though!
1998 Eclipse GSX Spyder 11.5@124 AWD Talons: 1992, 1993, 1997, 1998
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
[Re: Manny Sandhu]
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September 28, 2013 03:51 am UTC
September 28, 2013 03:51 am UTC
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Posts: 9,968 Caledon, Ontario, Canada
Bryan Lawrence
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LOL you guys are hilarious. I enjoy the constructive arguments because I get to see different point of views and see what works for others, then decide which option is the easiest and do that
"Old Blue" 91 Talon TSi AWD "Super Enthusiast" 91 Talon TSi AWD Checkout DSMFAQ.com!
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
[Re: Manny Sandhu]
#414427
September 28, 2013 06:24 am UTC
September 28, 2013 06:24 am UTC
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Lucian Marta
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I never personally fried a single OEM alternator on any of my 3 previous DSMs. And none of them ever had the downpipe shields. One had 200k the other had 260+k when pulled and sold, in perfect working order.
Sometimes it's not just the heat. How many DSMs have leaking P/S pumps or valve cover gaskets slowly leaking and making their way into the alternator?
On my Elantra, the downpipe is heat wrapped but sits 1" from the back of the alternator. I fried the original OEM alternator at 317k. But not because of the heat. It was caked in oil from my valve cover gasket. Changed the gasket, then I put an OE-rebuilt alternator from Crappy, brand new, killed it in 1 minute of running. Returned it, went to the junkyard and pulled another factory OEM with who knows how many KMS and I get perfect voltage all day long.
And enough about the alternators.
Get that damn FMIC in there. If you plan to mod your car, you're gonna need to do it sooner or later. May as well sooner.
1993 TSi AWD 2008 Evo GSR 2011 Ralliart 2012 Ralliart 2011 RVR GT
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
[Re: Reza Mirza]
#414482
September 28, 2013 08:38 pm UTC
September 28, 2013 08:38 pm UTC
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Sven Hebbard
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This is not about winning and losing. I'll I said was you guys are giving bad advice, I didn't mean to come off in a wrong way. We all have our opinions I was just throwing in mines. I didn't mean to touch any feelings. You guys can think I'm a dic or asshole, call me names, but thats fine. Just trying to have a constructive argument with facts. I'll try not to do that with you two next time. I still love you all . Everyone who knows me, knows I don't charge $1500 or $1000 for tuning. You gotta be pretty stupid if your gonna pay me that , and if you really are that stupid I'll be happy to take your money. See I don't take things to heart, lets grab a beer if we ever meet, it'll be on me I wanna see that relocated Saturn Alt reza your a dic and a asshole... end rant
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
[Re: Manny Sandhu]
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September 29, 2013 03:27 am UTC
September 29, 2013 03:27 am UTC
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Bryan Lawrence
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Manny, something like that goes into the war stories & sighting
"Old Blue" 91 Talon TSi AWD "Super Enthusiast" 91 Talon TSi AWD Checkout DSMFAQ.com!
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
[Re: Manny Sandhu]
#414564
September 29, 2013 04:51 pm UTC
September 29, 2013 04:51 pm UTC
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Bryan Lawrence
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Haha, no worries, just figured I would let you know where things generally go
"Old Blue" 91 Talon TSi AWD "Super Enthusiast" 91 Talon TSi AWD Checkout DSMFAQ.com!
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
[Re: Manny Sandhu]
#418096
November 21, 2013 04:52 pm UTC
November 21, 2013 04:52 pm UTC
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Michael Lee
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lol, wow, long thread and I'm bringing it back after a couple of months.
Key thing to take away from all this Manny is to TAKE YOUR TIME, do NOT rush, and do things incrementally.
DO NOT do it the way I did, and never panic and do something stupid like buy another DSM to replace your already working DSM, because the seller "seemed like a nice guy".
Haha.
You'll get a kick out of a bigger fuel pump, 14B, and a FMIC. Oh and a 1G BOV to keep all that boost in without leaking.
Do ALL maintenance first. I mean everything, before even attempting to add any power makers.
That's it.
Soooooo, where are you at with the car now?
Edit: forgot to add a manual boost controller, which can be had for pennies.
Last edited by Michael Lee; November 21, 2013 04:53 pm UTC.
1997 Eclipse GST/X Eat in small amounts. Otherwise be prepared to paint toilet bowls~ Mike Eng
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
[Re: Manny Sandhu]
#418247
November 23, 2013 01:51 pm UTC
November 23, 2013 01:51 pm UTC
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Bryan Lawrence
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Go watch a few episodes of MCM they do testing on air filters, pretty much they are all the same, just choose one you like.
"Old Blue" 91 Talon TSi AWD "Super Enthusiast" 91 Talon TSi AWD Checkout DSMFAQ.com!
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
[Re: Manny Sandhu]
#418373
November 25, 2013 06:36 pm UTC
November 25, 2013 06:36 pm UTC
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Michael Lee
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In the works Johnny and I'll remember that Terry just gotta find the time...holiday shopping doesnt help
Am i better off getting an air filter from part source or rtm, i mean is it that big of a difference in price?
Anything i should keep in mind when looking at filters? (I really like the look of the HKS mushroom filter but does another perform better?) I had/have one on one of my cars, and can say it doesn't filter much, you're better off with a cone filter from K&N or something, skip the mushroom if it's going to be a DD.
1997 Eclipse GST/X Eat in small amounts. Otherwise be prepared to paint toilet bowls~ Mike Eng
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Re: FMIC on stock T25
[Re: Johnny Larmond]
#418377
November 25, 2013 07:23 pm UTC
November 25, 2013 07:23 pm UTC
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Michael Lee
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Transmission swap... That's all I have to say. That's what I'm fessing up to. lol I completely overlooked the difference in final drives when I did my AWD swap. You're doing a transmission swap, Manny? I thought you just liked doing rear end swaps, so you did it, so you could do it again.
1997 Eclipse GST/X Eat in small amounts. Otherwise be prepared to paint toilet bowls~ Mike Eng
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