Re: Brake upgrade for my spyder
[Re: Kyle Dolson]
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November 21, 2013 03:52 am UTC
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Paul Bratina
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In your case, you'd need to purchase all three things: Outlander rotors, Outlander brackets and 2g dual-piston calipers. To save some money, you can generally find used 2g dual-piston calipers. In fact, I think we may have a couple of sets kicking around. I'll take a look. I've got Outlanders on my car so if you wanted to see if your rims cleared you can check them out next time you're in the Falls. But pretty much ANY 17"ers will clear. Even the stock 17"ers clear.
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Re: Brake upgrade for my spyder
[Re: Kyle Dolson]
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November 21, 2013 02:03 pm UTC
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I would grab the outlander kit from RTM and then see if you can find someone locally with some 2 pot brakes. For just the calipers you shouldn't be looking at more than 100$
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Re: Brake upgrade for my spyder
[Re: Kyle Dolson]
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November 21, 2013 02:29 pm UTC
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Re: Brake upgrade for my spyder
[Re: Kyle Dolson]
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November 21, 2013 08:59 pm UTC
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Turns out I found a set. Here you go: Link By the way, since those are used, there's no tax on them. Also, we can get some pricing on some fancier Outlander rotors (slotted, cross-drilled, etc) if you'd like.
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Re: Brake upgrade for my spyder
[Re: Kyle Dolson]
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November 21, 2013 10:26 pm UTC
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does he not need the saddles?
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Re: Brake upgrade for my spyder
[Re: Kyle Dolson]
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November 22, 2013 02:48 am UTC
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does he not need the saddles? If by saddles you're referring to the pad brackets, then no, that's why God invented Outlander brackets. It's the Outlander brackets that make the whole upgrade possible. However, now that I'm thinking of these things, you might need the caliper-to-bracket pins. We may have some kicking around or they may even be the same from the single-piston calipers. I'll look into it.
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Re: Brake upgrade for my spyder
[Re: Kyle Dolson]
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November 22, 2013 12:52 pm UTC
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Yeah my bad, I wasn't thinking about that fact that you wouldn't need them for the outlander setup
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Re: Brake upgrade for my spyder
[Re: Kyle Dolson]
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November 22, 2013 07:56 pm UTC
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The outlander setup is still using 2 pots. He should be good with the master and booster he has, but you will notice a difference if you do decide to take terry's advice.
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Re: Brake upgrade for my spyder
[Re: Kyle Dolson]
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November 22, 2013 08:38 pm UTC
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Yeah that's a good point, I am with Terry on this. I would either go with just the 2 pot setup or go with an actual big brake setup, 4 pistons are better than 2
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Re: Brake upgrade for my spyder
[Re: Kyle Dolson]
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November 22, 2013 11:36 pm UTC
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I would just go for the 2 pots than, you can decide later whether you want a little more braking power or a lot more braking power after you have tried them for a while
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Re: Brake upgrade for my spyder
[Re: Kyle Dolson]
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November 23, 2013 12:05 am UTC
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Just to clear up any info about the Outlander upgrade. The Outlander fronts use the EXACT SAME CALIPERS AS THE 2g AWD DSM fronts. The same, not similar, the actual same ones. (They're both Mitsu vehicles afterall, so it's not that far-fetched an idea. Many manufacturers have various components that are used across several models in their lineup. It's not a new concept). Anyway, getting back to the Outlander brakes. As discussed, the hydraulic portion of the caliper is a 2g AWD caliper, only the pad bracket (or saddle if you prefer) differs from the 2g AWD. It spaces the caliper 10mm further from the centre of the hub. The rotor is 20mm larger in diameter to match (2 x the 10mm additional radius the Outlander bracket provides).
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Re: Brake upgrade for my spyder
[Re: Kyle Dolson]
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November 23, 2013 02:03 pm UTC
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Yes, pads are the same. As for dust shields, yes something would have to be done with them. I guess most people realize (when they pause to think about it at least) that if a rotor suddenly "grows" in diameter, try as it might, the dust shield can't do the same. But of course, that applies to ANY upgrade that uses a larger diameter rotor.
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Re: Brake upgrade for my spyder
[Re: Kyle Dolson]
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November 23, 2013 03:35 pm UTC
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All I am trying to say is that the difference between the 1 pots and the 2 pots is going to be more than going from stock location to outlander location. He also says he has other things that he needs to do on the car so I think it would make more sense to work on that.
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Re: Brake upgrade for my spyder
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November 24, 2013 02:10 am UTC
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Re: Brake upgrade for my spyder
[Re: Kyle Dolson]
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March 22, 2015 07:23 pm UTC
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I have a buddy that loves using electrolysis to clean up parts. They look beautiful after they are finished! Is it just the mounting bracket that is different from the 2g 2pots?
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Re: Brake upgrade for my spyder
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March 22, 2015 08:38 pm UTC
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10mm on the Radius, not the diameter, so more like 7.2%
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Re: Brake upgrade for my spyder
[Re: Kyle Dolson]
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March 22, 2015 09:07 pm UTC
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Haha ok thanks guys, I was more just curious about the caliper itself, I know about the rotors.
What size rims do you have Kyle, and what are you upgrading from.
I am debating on doing this but I run 16s so just want to make sure it would fit.
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Re: Brake upgrade for my spyder
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March 23, 2015 01:50 am UTC
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I guess I just need to check to see if I have more than 10mm on between the caliper and the rim and that should give me a good idea. I went from 1 pots to 2pots like you, just did the 2g ones though. Makes a huge difference and I am sure you will notice an even bigger difference!
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Re: Brake upgrade for my spyder
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May 20, 2015 02:18 pm UTC
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For reference my 2012 ralliart has the same outlander brakes and I am running 2g talon rims for winter tires, so there is clearance.
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