Thanks for the input Deep. As you guys run a shop you would know this first hand. This alternator myth is busted! As with most things with DSM's, people just like to follow the bandwagon

I would however say that if you don't have a good source for rebuilt OEM alternators, then you might as well go for a Saturn one and grind down your front case or block and do whatever it takes to run it!

My rebuilder can even make the OEM alternators pump out 120 AMPS as opposed to the 90. My buddies and I were running 120 AMP OEM alternators back in early 2000 with no issues at all. The only reason we ran these was because we would roll around with 2x12's and big amps in our DSM's pounding the streets of T.O.

OEM alternators 4eva

Jay, your dealer is probably getting them rebuilt from local shops who are not doing the rebuild proper. You seem to have quite the bad luck with these parts.

One of the two I've seen break was the steel one, I welded it for the guy and is still holding to this day to the best of my knowledge

I replaced my original alternator at 200k because of that myth. It was still running fine but I replaced just in case with the rebuild unit I got from Napa. I am also another DSMer who run OEM alternators without issues. My battery logs at 13.9 - 14.1 volts at idle and didn't drop when Terry S. stress-test it by turning all my electrical stuff on including cabin fan on high, high beams, stereo, and rear defroster.

Manny, it's nothing really. Just a bashing of one another opinions..the difference is I'll give you FREE advice. Whereas some people here like to charge $1,000 UP FRONT.

Like i said.. Its the arguement.. Not the content.... And as long as i keep trying to defend my buddies.. You will keep getting offended by me and defending your oem alts.


Ive had bad experiances with oem alts.. Other people hhave had bad experiances with oem alts.. Not everyone can have a good rebuilder around to make sure they live perfect lives like you. I chose the saturn alt cause ive had good luck with them for many years. They even have cooling fans on there pulleys. Plus i replaced my second oem alt with a saturn alt for less then half the price. Actually i get them for alot less since i have a really good sorce and am willing to help other dsms out by supplying them.


Mikes suggestion was just a part of being a club.. A close net club of dsm enthusiest.. Just haveing a good time and you have shown a new member some people here dont get along and think there better then everyone else. Bad advise would be telling him to run 25psi with atock injectors.... Or setting afrs to 14 at full boost all the time. There is nothing wrong with offering him the saturn relocation suggestion get over it.

I am not getting offended because you are running a Saturn alt. There are a handful of guys in this thread who are still running OEM as they stated. I guess you forgot to read their posts and your the only one having issues. Your taking this to the heart man.

Mike get it right, $1500 gets you through my door now, not $1000
CASH only, upfront! Don't like it, take a hike!

I don't tune sh!t ass DSM's for free, lol.

Ok you win reza... Im the only one who has problems with the oem alts.. No one else does.

Manny.. Hope you actually learned something from this thread to help biuld your car. We are all here to help and encourage you... For free...sometimes beer.

Well some of us.

This is not about winning and losing. I'll I said was you guys are giving bad advice, I didn't mean to come off in a wrong way. We all have our opinions I was just throwing in mines. I didn't mean to touch any feelings.

You guys can think I'm a dic or asshole, call me names, but thats fine. Just trying to have a constructive argument with facts. I'll try not to do that with you two next time.

I still love you all .
Everyone who knows me, knows I don't charge $1500 or $1000 for tuning. You gotta be pretty stupid if your gonna pay me that , and if you really are that stupid I'll be happy to take your money.

See I don't take things to heart, lets grab a beer if we ever meet, it'll be on me I wanna see that relocated Saturn Alt

Might as well share my theory about alternators: the downpipe flex section is often the problem. My original alt was fine for 200k and then I went through three before I figured out I had a cracked flex section - you couldn't even see the crack underneath that braided stainless meshy.

I don't have experience with a FMIC on a T25 but I did have a 14b and FMIC for a while and that was a HUGE difference over the stock pea shooter.

Screw alternators, just go with a 16v battery

My rebuilt OEM alternator lasted all summer. Some long drives, lots of sitting in traffic.

Its a US alt, so not the best voltage, but with a heat blanket for the turbo and manifold plus a wrapped down pipe and O2 housing and the thing hasn't died yet. Even had coolant spill on it and at one point a screw fell on it and it sparked a lot.

Was just about to pick up a alternator relocation kit too. Good thing this was discussed though!

LOL you guys are hilarious.

I enjoy the constructive arguments because I get to see different point of views and see what works for others, then decide which option is the easiest and do that

I never personally fried a single OEM alternator on any of my 3 previous DSMs. And none of them ever had the downpipe shields. One had 200k the other had 260+k when pulled and sold, in perfect working order.

Sometimes it's not just the heat. How many DSMs have leaking P/S pumps or valve cover gaskets slowly leaking and making their way into the alternator?

On my Elantra, the downpipe is heat wrapped but sits 1" from the back of the alternator. I fried the original OEM alternator at 317k. But not because of the heat. It was caked in oil from my valve cover gasket. Changed the gasket, then I put an OE-rebuilt alternator from Crappy, brand new, killed it in 1 minute of running. Returned it, went to the junkyard and pulled another factory OEM with who knows how many KMS and I get perfect voltage all day long.

And enough about the alternators.

Get that damn FMIC in there. If you plan to mod your car, you're gonna need to do it sooner or later. May as well sooner.

FWIW, the only thing that has ever killed an OEM alternator in the Talon was a long-lasting power steering leak that just gunked up the alternator to sh!t. But even then it didn't just die, it was a slow progression.

reza your a dic and a asshole... end rant

i have a feeling i saw reza driving in brampton today. By airport rd and countryside?

Manny, something like that goes into the war stories & sighting

Sorry about that

Haha, no worries, just figured I would let you know where things generally go

Wasn't me. Must've be a Reza wannabe if it had a carbon fibre hood and black RPF1 rims

lol, wow, long thread and I'm bringing it back after a couple of months.

Key thing to take away from all this Manny is to TAKE YOUR TIME, do NOT rush, and do things incrementally.

DO NOT do it the way I did, and never panic and do something stupid like buy another DSM to replace your already working DSM, because the seller "seemed like a nice guy".

Haha.

You'll get a kick out of a bigger fuel pump, 14B, and a FMIC. Oh and a 1G BOV to keep all that boost in without leaking.

Do ALL maintenance first. I mean everything, before even attempting to add any power makers.

That's it.

Soooooo, where are you at with the car now?

Edit: forgot to add a manual boost controller, which can be had for pennies.

So far:

-I have gotten the alternator rebuilt as it gave out on me and had to get it rebuilt again last month but 1 year warranty on the work so was just a pain to remove and reinstall again

-been doing oil changes every 2000 miles switched to a 5w for the winter as i was hearing lifter tick

-undercoated and installed winter tires

I do custom homes and reno's and as of now I haven't had any projects locked in so finances are tight not allowing me to do any leisure upgrades though I am currently trying to lock in a job

When I've got some extra cash my immediate plan is to hopefully buy Terry's tranny (i am nervous about my current tranny as i am noticing a slipping clutch and notchy shifting will think about clutch fluid flush soon)

and also i desperately need to give my suspension some attention as the previous owner only put tein s tech lowering springs and when i am punching my 2G the front end flies up, going to try and get some coilovers

my air filter for the cold air needs to be replaced aswell and when i do get that i plan to remove the intake pipe and SMIC and give them a good cleaning to get any oil buildup out

also hoping to get my hands on a crankcase breather with a catch can

also i do have a forge manual boost controller just havent gotten around to running the vac lines (not sure if i need it with my current almost oem standing)

Holy sh!t Michael your learning. I cant wait to see what is actually wrong with your car.... dont worry it will be our secret.

If everyone who's owned a DSM for any length of time had to "fess up" about something they did or didn't do that they weren't too proud of, it would be one heck of a big fess party.

My list is short. After 22 years of ownership.

Like wise (after 5 years) Shes no daily driver so I have a ton of time to research first before I pull the trigger, I simply don't have enough time for 'trial and error'

Manny, If you feel like driving to Gtown I can help with the small stuff.

Transmission swap... That's all I have to say.

In the works Johnny and I'll remember that Terry just gotta find the time...holiday shopping doesnt help

Am i better off getting an air filter from part source or rtm, i mean is it that big of a difference in price?

Anything i should keep in mind when looking at filters? (I really like the look of the HKS mushroom filter but does another perform better?)

The part about buying from RTM vs parts source. Is that you are supporting a couple of really good guys instead of a fat corparation. Ziggy and Paul do their best to support these boards and add valuable info here. Other then the shipping cost they are very well priced. I would used them alot more for parts on all my side work, unfotunately I get most of my parts at cost plus 10%

Go watch a few episodes of MCM they do testing on air filters, pretty much they are all the same, just choose one you like.

+1

Keep the money in the DSM community! They'll keep the supply of fresh parts for our cars! It's the most logical thing to do in my mind!

I had/have one on one of my cars, and can say it doesn't filter much, you're better off with a cone filter from K&N or something, skip the mushroom if it's going to be a DD.

That's what I'm fessing up to. lol I completely overlooked the difference in final drives when I did my AWD swap.

You're doing a transmission swap, Manny?

I thought you just liked doing rear end swaps, so you did it, so you could do it again.

@Johnny I am probably going to be picking up Terry's current fwd tranny...awd swap isn't going to happen anytime soon