Re: $ no object, best of both worlds tires for dsm?
[Re: Dio Long]
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December 10, 2013 04:35 am UTC
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Daren Peacock
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Short answer is there is no one tire that will be the best at both turning corners & also drag racing.
Turning corners you typically want shorter & stiffer sidewalls, a good drag tire is the exact opposite. Only thing in common is with both you want a grippy compound but even that will be different, depending on the specific use.
Do you want street or track tires (you have both listed)? Don't think Nitto has been top of the game for years. Falken 615's feel off the map years ago when everyone released better tires. The K version is a better compound but I don't think they still have the following they use too.
Max performance street tires that also turn corners well
Kumho XS Hankook R-S3 Dunlop Direzza Z2 BFG Rival Bridgestone Potenza RE-11
These won't be the best choice if your mainly interested in drag racing, but if you are you'll want a soft side wall DR or slicks.
Tire width depends on your setup (rim width, offset, car ride height, etc) & preference on how it looks. 235 can typically be done fairly easily. Some have done 245 & even 255, but 255 doesn't typically tuck completely.
Actually 285 has been done, but that won't tuck at all!
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Re: $ no object, best of both worlds tires for dsm?
[Re: Dio Long]
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December 10, 2013 06:58 pm UTC
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Daren Peacock
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I was running Kumho XS in a 235/40/18 size. I have been very happy with them & wouldn't have a problem going with them again but I'd like to try some different tires out, so I can figure out how good it really is/was. I'm mainly looking at RS3's or ZII's (don't think BFG has my size). I'm leaning towards the RS3's, from what I've read the RS3's don't like cooler temps as well compared to the ZII's but they can take alot of heat before they fade & work really well in the hot. I'll likely just be running when its hot, so I think RS3's will do the trick. Plus their 1 lb lighter vs the Dunlops, have to try & make up for the heavier brakes Edit: I believe Kumho will be coming out with an XS replacement in the future, the V720, looks pretty interesting but don't believe it will be out till at least 2014.
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Re: $ no object, best of both worlds tires for dsm?
[Re: Scott McIntyre]
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December 10, 2013 07:21 pm UTC
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Mike, are you gonna run the 255's on your EVO8 wheels?
Dio, the best performing street tire today is the BFG Rival. But it doesn't work as well in the wet and would be more prone to hydroplaning than most other tires. For that reason I plan to run Dunlop Direzza ZII, which is another top performer but with a little better wet traction. I have a set of 17x9 ET42 for the 255 width tires waiting to be powder coated. Likely need a spacer The EVO wheels will stick with the 235 direzza's that are on there.
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Re: $ no object, best of both worlds tires for dsm?
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December 10, 2013 07:42 pm UTC
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Personally, I run only Hankook tires as they have been by far the best bang for the buck performing tires, in all categories - winter, summer performance, R-comp, etc. I would go with the RS3's based on my own experiences and that of many people I know in the motorsports community.
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Re: $ no object, best of both worlds tires for dsm?
[Re: Dio Long]
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December 10, 2013 08:32 pm UTC
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I have actually both 1 and 2g. But for the "tire" related question I posted its for my 2g. Not really a commuter. More like track car to go and relieve some stress. Will be street driven but want as an aggressive tire as I can get away with without going to a slick. Balance between 2 worlds type tire. I know if I want to see what car will do best 1/4 needs a slick but as long as I have something that will hold me in there 1.5-1.7 60 foot Ill be more than happy. Rest is math as far as Im concerned coz I can always slap slicks and know I can shave another .2 off or whatever. Point is want a tire that is sticky for both tracks. Probs change 1-2 sets per season and Im ok with that. I know these tires after few heat cycles turn into bubble gum anyways. http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/fre.../286685-will-these-wheels-tires-fit.htmlUse those charts ^^^. They're accurate. In regards to tire width. Running an 8" wide rim should accommodate the 245's nicely. The only way to do it with little to no rear fender rolling is a +40mm off set. As for brands, that's a preference thing really.. I base my choice on treadware ratings. I'm using a 400 for daily driving. a 200 or 180 for weekend fun. Good luck with your search Dio!
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Re: $ no object, best of both worlds tires for dsm?
[Re: Dio Long]
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December 11, 2013 02:26 am UTC
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Daren Peacock
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285's are not going to even be close to running with stock body work, rolled fenders or not. I'm sure Scott can post up a pic to get an idea. If you want to run 285's, you need firm suspension & ~ stock ride height.
Even with my 235's, the rear fenders required rolling of the inner lip, I would recommend at least doing this.
My rims are 40mm offset, that's typically the recommended offset as it basically centers the tire between body work & where the tire rubs on the rear knuckles. This rim would work for rubber up to about the 245 width. Going larger then that will likely require a lower offset to push the rubber away from the knuckles but at the same time will require something to be done with the stock bodywork, depending on what your trying to stuff in.
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Re: $ no object, best of both worlds tires for dsm?
[Re: Dio Long]
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January 02, 2014 01:47 pm UTC
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These are my 275/40R17 tires on 17x10 +12 wheels. They already rub on the inside upright's, so you cannot get them to tuck in any further than you see here. Obviously the tires hit the fenders, so I have to run near stock ride height and a very stiff suspension (900F/400R). I have no data to support that these huge tires more than compensate for the necessary high center of gravity. Only that Denis Grant always said that every time he went to a wider tire, he got faster. (He last ran 285's or 295's I believe). So that was good enough for me. To run these on the street, you'd need fender flares at a minimum, and should really cut up the fenders. The fronts are easy enough to cut, but the rear wheel arches are structural. So if you cut the rear, you'll need to do some fabricating to retain their structural function. Oh, I almost forgot about Martin Check's 2G wheel fitment guide. In my opinion, 255/40R17 17x9 +35 offset is the biggest & best wheel/tire combination that will properly fit a 2G DSM. http://www.martincheck.com/wheel_tire_fitment_FAQ.html
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Re: $ no object, best of both worlds tires for dsm?
[Re: Dio Long]
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January 02, 2014 01:56 pm UTC
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Bryan Lawrence
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It seems that the only picture with a broken link. I would be curious to see what sizes people have tried on 1gs, although I think I am happy with 225, but may go for 235 if I replace my tires.
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Re: $ no object, best of both worlds tires for dsm?
[Re: Dio Long]
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January 02, 2014 04:50 pm UTC
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Scott McIntyre
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Mike, if I were you I'd stick with 255/40R17 17x9 +35. Much simpler.
I ran 245/45R16 on 16x8 wheels for several years before going to the 275's. However, I don't have a direct before/after comparison, as I went from old Kumho V700's to new V710's, plus a winter break, plus whatever other mods I happened to do that year. And given that I only ran autoX back then, I have no track laps times for comparison.
The geometry with the 275's seem fine. I've experience no negative effects, other than the tires costing a lot more. It grips like wouldn't believe. And my tires wear perfectly even across the tread, unlike my 245's which always wore the outside shoulders first. But that's more likely a factor of my suspension setup than the tires themselves. Too many variable for a direct comparison.
The bottom line is that my car is modeled off DG's car, and he did lots of testing. I chose the 275's on 17x10 +12 with 900/400 springs because that's what he was running (and winning) on at the time. Simple as that.
Scott McIntyre 1997 Talon TSi AWD 2008 Mitsu EVO X MR
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Re: $ no object, best of both worlds tires for dsm?
[Re: Dio Long]
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January 02, 2014 06:58 pm UTC
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Scott McIntyre
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The more roll resistance you have, the less static negative camber you'll need.
When I ran the 245's I had 500F, then changed to 750F, both with RM sway bars. And if I recall correctly, I only had -2º in the front until I chopped my stock upper control arms to get -3º.
Now that I have the 900F and 275's, I only run -2.5º with SPC adjustable control arms.
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