Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 13, 2014 03:00 am UTC
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GUYS!!!!! I pinched the return line and the car started like it was nothing. U guys are great help. What should the next step be? Awesome Technically, the next step would be do to a proper fuel pressure test. That would tell you if it's the pump or regulator. I would guess it's the regulator, but as I said a while back you might want to squirt some penetrating oil on the fuel sending unit studs in your trunk. If you ever end up taking it out, you'll be happy you started soaking them now.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 13, 2014 03:14 am UTC
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A question. With how much pressure would fuel pour out of the line from the line to the fuel rail? And where exactly is the fuel pump? Is it near the left side of the trunk near the end? Cuz I did see a black cover there but the battery holder is on top of it. I will change the regulator and hope that's what the issue is. I've changed the fuel pump in my 89 ford Probe myself and it wasn't so hard. I will get the fuel sending unit from Rtm also.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 13, 2014 04:20 am UTC
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No need to spend money on a new sending unit unless you really want to, just drill yours out and put in a bulkhead if that's the route you really want to go.
As Jeremy said soak them, I broke 4 out of the 6 on mine and it's been a headache since.
Maybe someone has there old fuel pressure regulator laying around, I would give you mine but it's with someone else that was having similar issues.
You can also spend a little money and get an adjustable fuel regulator, and throw a gauge on that, especially if you ever plan on upgrading the pump in the future.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 13, 2014 04:51 am UTC
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Well the cars not gonna b driven this winter. I was planing on working on it and upgrading it slowly and bring it on the road this summer. I will upgrade both the fuel pump and the regulator.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 14, 2014 05:40 pm UTC
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We had 3 meets this last summer, as long as people are motivated they do happen.
If you are going to do the upgrade I would go aftermarket filter with -6 from pump to rail. Nice easy upgrade.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 15, 2014 08:49 pm UTC
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Bad news guys. I got a fpr from roman and even after putting that one in the car struggles to start. I still have to clamp the return line to start it and keep it on. If I disconnect the car struggles to stay alive, rpms go low and the car wants to die if I give it gas it bogs and backfires.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 15, 2014 09:46 pm UTC
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When it's clamped up its fine other then running hella rich and exhaust reeking of gas. I'm just gonna get an adjustable fpr and do the fuel filter and pump at the same time.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 15, 2014 10:30 pm UTC
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I unplugged the mass and the car started without the return being clamped. I plugged it back in and the car wanted to die and sputters. So I think it's the mass
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 15, 2014 10:32 pm UTC
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I borrowed a line wrench from a neighbor and I sprayed penetrating fluid on the hard line on the fuel filter. I'm gonna have a crack at it tomorrow. Cars too hot rite now I had it running for a bit trying to figure the issue. Which I think is the mass air flow sensor.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 16, 2014 01:30 am UTC
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1g base fuel, 37 psi, with the vacuum hose off.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 16, 2014 01:53 am UTC
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And I tee in on top of the fuel filter right? But my car has stainless steel braided thick lines from the filter to the rail. Previous owner was running nitrous on it and did some mods. I'll take a pic.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 16, 2014 03:21 am UTC
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That's true. I'll figure a way to test my fuel pressure. I'll post a pic of the fuel filter setup and please let me the easiest way to do this test. I'm very new to this stuff. However in technically inclined.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 16, 2014 12:24 pm UTC
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Well just so you know you have made it much further than most newbies we see on the board. I am sure you will have this thing up and running soon enough.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 16, 2014 04:06 pm UTC
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If you already have AN lines on there than something like this would work.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 16, 2014 04:31 pm UTC
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That's true. I'll figure a way to test my fuel pressure. I'll post a pic of the fuel filter setup and please let me the easiest way to do this test. I'm very new to this stuff. However in technically inclined. You're doing great, don't worry! You'll pick it up quickly. If you're still on the stock fuel filter, then as Rob said they make THIS to allow you to easily get a fuel pressure reading at your filter.
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Re: 1g NO START
[Re: Awais Amanat]
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December 16, 2014 08:44 pm UTC
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I think the lines might be bigger then -6 an. They are pretty thick. How do I check if they are -6 or -8 an lines? I'm just being patient. And Roman Cullen has been helping me as well. He hooked me up with a fpr and Is willing to lend me an ecu as well. I'm just taking it slow and work on it when I get home from work. I'll get that adapter from rtm. I asked a member to post the pics of the fuel filter I took. Hopefully he posts them soon so u guys can see what I'm working with.
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Re: 1g NO START
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December 16, 2014 09:06 pm UTC
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It is unlikely they are -8an. That is not very common, especially if the line up to the filter was still stock. IN all likelihood it will be -6an lines you have. Hey Ziggy. Nice to see u here.
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