Re: Quick Spool Valve
[Re: Jay Stacey]
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February 05, 2015 03:30 am UTC
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Bryan Lawrence
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Would be real curious to see the difference in spool up
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Re: Quick Spool Valve
[Re: Jay Stacey]
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February 06, 2015 01:21 am UTC
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I have a cast t3 manifold in my shop... but the flapper dosent clear the casted flange port. Perhaps "porting" the area for clearance would work(???). Or would to much material need to be removed?
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Re: Quick Spool Valve
[Re: Jay Stacey]
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February 06, 2015 02:36 am UTC
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Woah!!! Pretty interesting consept. You could even use a Pneumatic Valve/Solenoid to control the QSV and ECMLink BCS Control to drive it.
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Re: Quick Spool Valve
[Re: Jay Stacey]
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February 08, 2015 04:37 am UTC
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What mig welder is it and what wire are you using?
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Re: Quick Spool Valve
[Re: Jay Stacey]
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February 08, 2015 05:37 pm UTC
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In that case it's probably the wire and the welder. Also better wire does help a bit.
I have tried cheap welders and it was night and day difference, sure technique helps but it won't make your welder any better.
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Re: Quick Spool Valve
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February 09, 2015 10:42 pm UTC
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I use the flappy sanding disk to make it all smooth, but Stephen is right gas is the way. It's on my list
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Re: Quick Spool Valve
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February 22, 2015 04:03 pm UTC
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It should provide a quicker spool yes. Unless Jay, were you thinking about setting it so one side is either closed or open, manually controlled so you can set it before the race depending on what kind of race you are doing?
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Re: Quick Spool Valve
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February 23, 2015 12:15 pm UTC
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I guess if you are using a waste gate to open it there will technically be a gradual open...
I guess you will have to find the sweet spot. Not if he is using a ebc to open, will it not just abruptly open as soon as it hits the ebcs designated boost?
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Re: Quick Spool Valve
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September 23, 2015 06:54 am UTC
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Very interesting. The slope on the RPM line is massively steeper with the enhanced spool, and the increased airflow is also quite substantial. Did you end up using the EBC to open it at a certain boost pressure?
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Re: Quick Spool Valve
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September 26, 2015 05:11 am UTC
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Someone already made one like you describe. http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?742098-Kevin-s-Divided-Manifold-Quick-Spool-ValveI love the diesel valve I linked, it's a brilliant piece of engineering and quite nice to look at, but that cost...ugh. The trick to using twin scroll with a spool valve is to run a big turbine housing to offset the lack of flow; you will be in "net positive" territory if you match it properly. Also, Borg-Warner is using spool valves on twin scroll EFRs starting early next year, so they see something in it too.
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Re: Quick Spool Valve
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September 29, 2015 05:10 am UTC
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How would you improve it? In terms of its flow characteristics or in terms of the mechanical actuation? Flow-wise I don't know that there's much more that you could do short of further shrinking the low-boost inlet to increase velocity. Or possibly shaping the inlet of the valve to funnel airflow towards the low-boost scroll of the hotside?
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Re: Quick Spool Valve
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October 09, 2015 09:10 pm UTC
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The valve dosent close it tight, so it must leak and since the exhaust will flow up the other valute, and thru the valve.. It will create turbulance.i will thiken the center structure so the valve seats better.
So so far Ive got this thing to hit 27psi at 4100rpms, then it sees 29psi at 7500rpms with an airflow of 55.6lbs/m which is more then the average 8blade puts out. Prolly cause the bolt on housing limits the flow to 52lbs/m and the stock twin scroll is too laggy to allow our motors to see the 8blades potential.
LINK is estimatin 489hp right now. With a much better torque curve then the Borg warner with the same set up showing 450hp
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Re: Quick Spool Valve
[Re: Jay Stacey]
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November 06, 2015 05:32 pm UTC
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Hey Jay out of curiousity have you been able to find a comparison of a fully twin scroll setup and a quick spool setup? From what I am finding the difference shouldn't be very much.
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Re: Quick Spool Valve
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November 06, 2015 08:39 pm UTC
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Bryan. I dont think Ill ever be able to compare the same set up to a true twinscroll. But in my research, its about the same. In theory the TS is faster spooling then open header but dosent have as much top end power. Results even sho that running the open header to a twinscroll makes more power up top compared to full twin scrolls. This set up should give me the power up top that is lost with Twin scroll and bolt on set ups.
Ive always thought of true twinscroll set ups more for huge turbos that need help spooling but have alot of power up top, that can be sacrificed. Basicly creating a more agressive powerband. Thats sorta what Im doing... But I wont lose the power up top.
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Re: Quick Spool Valve
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November 06, 2015 08:53 pm UTC
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Re: Quick Spool Valve
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November 06, 2015 10:09 pm UTC
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Bryan, that guy seems to have a bit more tuning to do.. But his boost never stops rising. It just keeps biulding.
Mike.. The only reason to open the valve is when the half scroll becomes a restriction. The Bolt on BEP housing restricts the airflow of a hx35 to around 52lbs/m. The T3 housing allows the 7blade hx35 to hit 60lbs/m.
From what I can see, the closed valve limits the air flow to 51lbs but open, I can reach 56lbs. I would like it to open just before 50lbs/m. But link dosent use airflow to control the EGR solinoid... So I take a rough estimate of say 7000rpms.
While driving around all day.. The valve never opens. I never really have the chance to go above 7000rpms on city streets with 30psi and a Holset. But at the strip.. It will only stay closed to biuld boost in first. With nlts.. IT should stay open the whole time.
I dont really know what it will do at the strip... But just doing a full lauch and run on a back road.. Its way faster then the BW. Much better pull.
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