Re: Alignment numbers
[Re: Mike Eng]
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October 03, 2013 07:43 pm UTC
October 03, 2013 07:43 pm UTC
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Reza Mirza
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The rear of AWD DSM's call for too much negative camber from factory. For toe, you obviosuly want to keep both the front and rear at 0. On my car. I have a touch negative camber in the front, I think -0.10 on each side, and the rears are 0 camber (maybe a touch on the positive side) or closer to +0.04 degrees per side. My car is setup for street and drag racing, when I go wot the car squats and tire contact patch is flat. For a stockish to modified DSM for street use (and personal preference), keep the rear camber at -0.50 on each side and a touch negative in the front. Of course you can just go 0/0 toe/camber for both the front and rears. Personally I would go 0 camber on the back of a stock DSM. IMO it looks more aggressive (looks like you mean business) and you get more oversteer (which you want in a DSM). For highway driving, you probably want 0/0 (toe/camber) in the front and 0/-0.5 (toe/camber) in the rear. JMHO for your car
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Re: Alignment numbers
[Re: Jeremy Gilbert]
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October 03, 2013 07:52 pm UTC
October 03, 2013 07:52 pm UTC
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Reza Mirza
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If you go to any random shop and tell them to put it in spec, they won't even match both sides up. As long as the steering wheel is straight and front and rears for both driver and passenger side fall within the green range on their computer, they'll send you on your way with pretty much a "no thought put into the aligment" job. You get what you pay for Yes it'll still drive straight which is fine by most DSM'ers.
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Re: Alignment numbers
[Re: Mike Eng]
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October 03, 2013 08:15 pm UTC
October 03, 2013 08:15 pm UTC
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Mike Eng
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We have an alignment bay at my store. I'm looking more for what Reza described. And the fact that he took probably 10 minutes out of his day to write that up for me takes him out of my "asshole book" Thanks! So, yes, aside from toe at 0..I also would like to factor in hard launches and a full contact patch. So that advice right there is likely what I'll go with. PS. Steve, seeing as you're our community mechanic, should you be sharing your "shop talk" with us...? your customers?
'99 GSX GT35R '03 CBR 600RR
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Re: Alignment numbers
[Re: Mike Degli Angeli]
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October 03, 2013 08:19 pm UTC
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Mike Eng
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Toe zero in the front and a touch of toe in the rear to give some stability. Toe destroys tire life. I know, I've burned through 2 sets in 2 seasons because I've been swapping so many different suspension components that I never actually did an alignment (except by eye). I have the car tracking pretty straight as it is, but wan't this done so I can play with my camber a little.
'99 GSX GT35R '03 CBR 600RR
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Re: Alignment numbers
[Re: Mike Eng]
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October 03, 2013 08:49 pm UTC
October 03, 2013 08:49 pm UTC
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Stephen Richardson
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Toe zero in the front and a touch of toe in the rear to give some stability. Toe destroys tire life. I know, I've burned through 2 sets in 2 seasons because I've been swapping so many different suspension components that I never actually did an alignment (except by eye). I have the car tracking pretty straight as it is, but wan't this done so I can play with my camber a little. Excess toe destroys tires, As well as excess camber. An eyeballed alignment will also wear tires out much quicker. I don't actually do alignments that way... I miss cars that we could actually make adjustments to. Other then the odd NXS and S2000 most alignments are boring.
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Re: Alignment numbers
[Re: Mike Eng]
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October 04, 2013 05:14 pm UTC
October 04, 2013 05:14 pm UTC
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Daren Peacock
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Guess it depends what you want to do with the car, my current is set to -1.6 front, ~-1.3 in the rear, toe zero'd all the way around.
I've ran this way for years. I do get more wear on the inners but I think that also has to do with the tires I run & the type of suspension these cars have. With suspension travel, you get changes in toe, combine that with max performance summer tires (believe 140 tread wear rating) & they wear the inners a bit faster. With that being said, inners are getting pretty low on my current set & the rest of the tires are at or basically at the wear bars. I managed about 40K on this set, so based on the tire compound, think thats pretty damn good.
If you want to have fun with corners, I'd recommend more camber (at least in the front vs stock), what I run is generally a good starting point.
98 Eclipse GSX DSM82HTA
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Re: Alignment numbers
[Re: Mike Eng]
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September 25, 2015 04:09 pm UTC
September 25, 2015 04:09 pm UTC
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Michael Lee
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Sorry for the double post, but maybe I should've posted in here, since the other thread was for Mike P's EVO.
Can a mod please move whatever comments from there to here?
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Re: Alignment numbers
[Re: Mike Eng]
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September 25, 2015 07:45 pm UTC
September 25, 2015 07:45 pm UTC
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Michael Lee
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Absolutely no idea, and yeah, just the difference between it and the rear left had me concerned.
I've emailed the alignment shop, and as the car is in there for exhaust work, they're going to recheck everything, as the car still wants to go left after all of that.
1997 Eclipse GST/X Eat in small amounts. Otherwise be prepared to paint toilet bowls~ Mike Eng
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Re: Alignment numbers
[Re: Mike Degli Angeli]
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September 27, 2015 11:17 pm UTC
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Michael Lee
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And I'm with Reza I'd never tell them to set it to " factory spec" and make sure you leave the place with a print out of the the settings. That is wait Stephen's comment is all about....
I once made a shop put my car back on the rack just to get the alignment readings again as they didn't print them off like i requested when i walked in.
I now go to a shop where they essentially let me do my own alignments. So much more comfortable with that. Level Auto were the guys that took 3 times to get my alignment right on my Mini. *Face palm* dang... Well, car is back there, and they said they'd check everything over again since I got my winters on there. I got a piece of wood in my other set of wheels/tires.
1997 Eclipse GST/X Eat in small amounts. Otherwise be prepared to paint toilet bowls~ Mike Eng
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Re: Alignment numbers
[Re: Mike Eng]
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September 28, 2015 03:59 am UTC
September 28, 2015 03:59 am UTC
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Daren Peacock
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I'm running a bit more negative camber for the past couple summers. -1.9-2 in the front & ~-1.5 in the rear, toe still zero all around. Have two summers tire use on these specs, run Yoko AD08's, somewhere around 9K on them, no signs of un even wear.
I do run slightly more tire pressure now, use to keep around maybe 30-32psi, now run 34 (235/40/18).
Next alignment I'll probably run -2.2-2.3 in the front...
98 Eclipse GSX DSM82HTA
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