Official Welding Thread: How To / Show and Tell
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April 18, 2016 01:47 pm UTC
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Charles Lavoie
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As more of us are getting into welding, let's start this thread so some veterans can help us out and us newbies can post our attempts at welding. Let me start it off with:
Seeing I have two tanks, should I fill 1 tank with C25 and the other C2? (I know aluminum is supposed to be pure argon, but will C2 (meant for stainless) be acceptable on aluminum?
I wouldn't be welding aluminum less than 1/8". I am going to do brazing for most decorative aluminum stuff. (like a battery tray)
Should I always be using gas? Or when looks don't matter on switch to Flux Core? I have a lot of reading to do.
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Re: Official Welding Thread: How To / Show and Tell
[Re: Charles Lavoie]
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April 18, 2016 01:55 pm UTC
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I would get c25 for your steal welding as that should help a lot. most of the welding I have been doing has been body panels and even on the lowest setting flux is very hot and will punch through.
I should have my c25 by the end of the week and will hopefully have some time to goof around so I can give a review.
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Re: Official Welding Thread: How To / Show and Tell
[Re: Charles Lavoie]
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April 18, 2016 02:14 pm UTC
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My 2 cents, only get a C25 aka 75/25, for now with just learning you don't really want to delve into aluminum or stainless until you get mild steel down.
The only thing you can mix into the gas for aluminum is helium, it has some neat effects, can increase the power of the puddle by almost 50% but that's more for tig. Other than that, it's 100% argon.
Once you weld with gas you'll never want to touch flux core again. It's a very hot, dirty weld, the wire is a LOT more expensive to the point where the cost of the gas is negligible. The only thing flux core is really good for is when you need deep penetration or in a windy environment or perhaps in a repair environment where you can't get a welder and tank in easily.
I'm no expert in welding but I'm happy to help and share what I do know.
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Re: Official Welding Thread: How To / Show and Tell
[Re: Charles Lavoie]
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April 29, 2016 03:46 pm UTC
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Ya I meant flat. Again it's more to do with the pedal on this machine. Start out at 80 amps and feel you need a bit more so you push a little harder and whoops it's at 130 amps.
Aluminum is a tricky creature, it builds heat very fast, start a bead at say 100A and by the time you move over 3" you need to drop to about 85A because the material is already heat soaked and you don't want to key hole it and maintain the same bead.
Thanks Mike, this is after about 1 year and 3 months of tig experience, aside from a crash course(literally lol, 2 semesters on a mig and 1 day on a tig) on it back in school 15 years ago.
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Re: Official Welding Thread: How To / Show and Tell
[Re: Charles Lavoie]
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April 29, 2016 09:52 pm UTC
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Aluminum is extremely tough to get right the first time. I've been doing some arc 4043 with a 1/8 rod and I've repaired a cast column shifter bracket, and steering wheel hub for the tractor. I'm eventually going to try it on 3mm IC piping at 70amps, I can get a solid bead with perfect fusion. But it will require a few practice runs!
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Re: Official Welding Thread: How To / Show and Tell
[Re: Charles Lavoie]
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May 01, 2016 12:47 am UTC
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So I picked up my tank of c25, went with a 125cf one because Jason said that was a good size to go with. I will take some pictures once I get started. Going to see where I can pick up supplies to build a welding cart.
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Re: Official Welding Thread: How To / Show and Tell
[Re: Charles Lavoie]
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May 07, 2016 12:22 pm UTC
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What a difference!! Loving the gas so far! Here are a few first passes, I am going to find some sheet metal from body stuff and see how it is, just wanted to try a few passes the last pass is the one on the left. I do have a question though, should I just leave the gas in the line after I stop welding and close the tank or should I be purging the line?
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Re: Official Welding Thread: How To / Show and Tell
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May 07, 2016 01:31 pm UTC
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Ok thanks for the heads up, will do that!
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Re: Official Welding Thread: How To / Show and Tell
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May 08, 2016 01:15 am UTC
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It's done, did it right after he told me to do it. Secured now so not going to tip. That's crazy Jason! I imagine that would be terrifying.
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Re: Official Welding Thread: How To / Show and Tell
[Re: Mike Eng]
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May 12, 2016 12:34 am UTC
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This stuff you sent Reza, is it xray equipment?
Could it inspect porosity? No I can't supply reza with a form of RT(gamma) radiation.He would need to acquire a license through CNSC.. and he would be at about the cost of 5 dynos in to get set up with ONE gamma camera or a x-ray tube.. He COULD buy a x-ray tube but again i doubt reza is gonna spend 300+k plus(just for basic equipement, no supplies) licensing fees and insurance(near 50k a year) to have this. Most people say it's about 500-700k to fully get going and then there is yearly costs, repairs, certificates, coursing, and so on. I gave him LPI( liquid pen. inspection). it will detect all surface defects. Mag partical A/c is good up to 3mm depth SUB surface defects mainly for service.. Mag Partical D/C is for sub surface defects. If someone is badly wanting there rods/pistons,crank etc... x-rayed. I can do it AS LONG AS YOU COVER SHIPPING BOTH WAYS(return slip is included). There are NDT companys in ontario(I can provided numbers/contacts) but you are nearing 180$ a hour plus travel+cost of supplies).. minimum 3 hour charge. So to do a simple shot on a rod you would be near the 800$ mark of inspection.
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Re: Official Welding Thread: How To / Show and Tell
[Re: Charles Lavoie]
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May 12, 2016 02:04 pm UTC
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Welding!
And I realize it takes certifications to use those types of instruments. But I was asking because I recently completed a 6 month welding contract (I'm certified by CWB in SMAW) at a new restaurant in my area (kitchen roof mounted equipment, weighing 10,000lbs +++) and the CWB inspector performed a visual inspection of the work and passed everything. But with overlapping fillet welds, there's always a good chance for slag inclusions that wouldn't typically pass xray exams and I was curious what sort of equipment Reza now has access to. Granted he's in Toronto, and I'm in Ottawa, I doubt I could ever "borrow" it lol
This isn't my day job however. And although I've given it a lot of thought of making a full time switch, I mainly dislike the sporadic contracted work. I've been on the financial roller-coaster before and it's not all that fun.
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Re: Official Welding Thread: How To / Show and Tell
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May 12, 2016 08:01 pm UTC
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I have had to. But as long as it goes in hot enough, it just peels itself away. Quick chisel and wire brush and onto the next.
I'm thinking of getting my B ticket next. But I could only afford the time in my off season, which is in the winter time, as I put anywhere between 50-60 hour work weeks 8-9 months out of the year. At least I'm certified in all positions. Really opens the doors to a lot of contractors. But like I said, not my day job. Unless I get something full time with the same benefits and pension as my current job.
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Re: Official Welding Thread: How To / Show and Tell
[Re: Sven Hebbard]
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May 12, 2016 08:22 pm UTC
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Jason it looks like you dipped the torch at one spot there(black in the weld). little undercut..and warm.. but overall nice.
Also try a adjusting torch, Thats what the gf has.. She HATES foot pedals.. I'm sure I did, still getting the feel for this thing, controlling both hands and the foot pedal all at once is not as easy as some people think. One thing I need to do is make my work bench taller, I find I need to lean over my work a little too much, being more comfortable will only help. I'm not and don't plan to be any pipe or structural welder so I'm not at all concerned with being able to weld perfectly in all positions. Better foot pedal, more comfort and more seat time will all help for sure.
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Re: Official Welding Thread: How To / Show and Tell
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May 13, 2016 01:10 am UTC
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Jason it looks like you dipped the torch at one spot there(black in the weld). little undercut..and warm.. but overall nice.
Also try a adjusting torch, Thats what the gf has.. She HATES foot pedals.. I'm sure I did, still getting the feel for this thing, controlling both hands and the foot pedal all at once is not as easy as some people think. One thing I need to do is make my work bench taller, I find I need to lean over my work a little too much, being more comfortable will only help. I'm not and don't plan to be any pipe or structural welder so I'm not at all concerned with being able to weld perfectly in all positions. Better foot pedal, more comfort and more seat time will all help for sure. Try a hand control torch it MIGHT be easier.. it's a dial you can move around with your thumb as your going.. that way you can PUT ALL pressure on your legs you want.
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Re: Official Welding Thread: How To / Show and Tell
[Re: Charles Lavoie]
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July 04, 2016 03:03 am UTC
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It's not welds but I am that much closer! Now all I need is a good jacket, a screen so I don't blind the neighbours and to grow a pair and not be intimidated by welding. Gonna start with Flux Core just to get used to things. Now to find some scrap test pieces.
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Re: Official Welding Thread: How To / Show and Tell
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July 04, 2016 04:23 am UTC
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Thanks for advice all. I will be welding in garage with door open.
I have lots of long sleeve shirts that will work. Not sure about the gauntlets. Will read up on them.
Will hit up Lucon Metals. They were the ones that made my front rad support temp piece.
As for 240 I had to for the Lincoln mig PAK 180. 240 only. 40 amp recommended. More of a pain but at least I have the power to do bigger stuff later.
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Re: Official Welding Thread: How To / Show and Tell
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July 04, 2016 04:30 am UTC
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I also installed the same outlet in my garage. Then I pieced together the material to create a 30 ft extension cable. IIRC, TSC sells them too.. just double check the prongs match.
It's far better for me to weld outside the garage for many reasons.. Ventilation, space, safety.. Too name a few
Oh and the gloves in your pic are gauntlets.
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Re: Official Welding Thread: How To / Show and Tell
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July 04, 2016 10:40 am UTC
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Don't stress about gauntlets those ones are fine. I don't usually wear a glove on my trigger hand, or if I do it's just basic mechanix gloves. Once you ditch flux for gas the gloves don't need to do as much as you will have far less splatter. And agreed on the sweater, I didn't buy a welding jacket until I started welding lying down. And no sandals and always wear socks!! Don't ask me how I know.
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